Deck007
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March 22nd, 2014 at 8:45:09 PM permalink
Genting Racino in NYC is now the top grossing gaming outlet in the country.
Genting original gaming plan for Miami has now been changed to a racino outlet.
No new casino license needed as no change in any state gambling laws required.
No live dealers required as the ETG is fully automated.
According to S. Adelson the Electronic Roulette table is an "unbelievable cash cow" as it does 60 rounds per hour instead of 12 rounds at a live table.
AnabelleT
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March 23rd, 2014 at 5:58:31 AM permalink
I've never played Craps or Roulette (would like to try Craps one day once I've learned more about it, it's intimidating!) the tables are beautiful and appealing, the machines are cold and unappealing. I hear that here in Florida there's no choice because these two games i mentioned are illegal even in a casino, so it's either electronic or nothing, but I really hope it's not a trend, I much prefer the tables with real croupiers (I prefer saying croupier to dealer, I'm half French!)
"The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me." Ayn Rand
FleaStiff
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March 23rd, 2014 at 7:44:08 AM permalink
MANY people prefer live dealers (croupiers) at roulette and live dice dealers (not proper to say croupier for craps: its dealer or base dealer or dice dealer). Some archaic laws in California and Florida ban Craps and Roulette even on Indian Reservations. Here in Florida, Craps (live.. on a table with real dealers) is limited to our few off shore Day Trip Gambling Boats such as Big M Casino sailing from Fort Myers Beach, the much larger Victory Casino sailing from Port Canaveral (Cocoa Beach) or possibly a boat sometimes sailing out of Palm Beach (verify this).

The Seminole's lawyers rammed thru the Electronic Craps and Electronic Roulette are slot machines concept in LAW, so it makes no sense to argue about whether they are or are not in FACT.

Do not think of craps as intimidating. The two ends of the table are mirror images of each other and you will only be at which ever one you choose at a time so that eliminates alot. The center bets are "sucker bets" you will NOT be making no matter how much the Stickman pleads with you or waves his stick around and threatens to bean the Boxman if you don't make center bets. So there really is very little to learn about bets at craps.

At a live table with an early morning or early afternoon slow crowd, dealers will always take time to teach you if you are in Vegas, but in Florida you have to go to the boat's craps table about twenty minutes prior to the "opening bell" and get a quick lesson. Its usually too busy on the boats but the dealers WILL try to help you out even if the dice are moving fast and the table is crowded.
100xOdds
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March 23rd, 2014 at 8:08:43 AM permalink
Quote: Deck007

Genting Racino in NYC is now the top grossing gaming outlet in the country.
Genting original gaming plan for Miami has now been changed to a racino outlet.
No new casino license needed as no change in any state gambling laws required.
No live dealers required as the ETG is fully automated.
According to S. Adelson the Electronic Roulette table is an "unbelievable cash cow" as it does 60 rounds per hour instead of 12 rounds at a live table.



the nyc racino has a single zero e-roulette table.
$75 min, I think. but its been a couple of yrs since ive been there
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
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March 23rd, 2014 at 8:15:45 AM permalink
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ThatDonGuy
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March 23rd, 2014 at 9:45:51 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Some archaic laws in California and Florida ban Craps and Roulette even on Indian Reservations.


The California law goes back to something like 1984; when the ballot initiative to allow for the lottery was written, somebody thought it would help its cause if it included a guarantee put into the state Constitution: "The Legislature has no power to authorize, and shall prohibit, casinos of the type currently operating in Nevada and New Jersey."

At first, I thought that electronic roulette and electronic craps were allowed in any tribal casino where the tribal compact authorized "gaming devices"; however, the compacts with the Federated Indians of Graton Rancheria (i.e. for the Graton casino north of San Francisco) in 2012 and the Ramona Band of Cahuilla in 2013 both include the following:

Quote:

Nothing herein shall be construed to authorize the operation of the game known as roulette, whether or not played with or on a mechanical, electro-mechanical, electrical, or video device, or cards, or any combination of such devices, or the operation of any game that incorporates the physical use of a die or dice.


Translation: video roulette and any form of "card roulette" is illegal.

However, strictly electronic craps is legal if it is limited to one player per machine.

Also, technically it's not so much "an archaic law" that prohibits roulette so much as the hesitation of the governor and/or state legislature to authorize a tribal compact that would allow it. The only thing I know that is specifically banned is sports betting (besides horse and mule racing), since there is a Federal law against it (yes, even in tribal casinos).
AxiomOfChoice
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March 24th, 2014 at 11:15:13 AM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

The California law goes back to something like 1984; when the ballot initiative to allow for the lottery was written, somebody thought it would help its cause if it included a guarantee put into the state Constitution: "The Legislature has no power to authorize, and shall prohibit, casinos of the type currently operating in Nevada and New Jersey."

At first, I thought that electronic roulette and electronic craps were allowed in any tribal casino where the tribal compact authorized "gaming devices"; however, the compacts with the Federated Indians of Graton Rancheria (i.e. for the Graton casino north of San Francisco) in 2012 and the Ramona Band of Cahuilla in 2013 both include the following:

Quote:

Nothing herein shall be construed to authorize the operation of the game known as roulette, whether or not played with or on a mechanical, electro-mechanical, electrical, or video device, or cards, or any combination of such devices, or the operation of any game that incorporates the physical use of a die or dice.


Translation: video roulette and any form of "card roulette" is illegal.

However, strictly electronic craps is legal if it is limited to one player per machine.

Also, technically it's not so much "an archaic law" that prohibits roulette so much as the hesitation of the governor and/or state legislature to authorize a tribal compact that would allow it. The only thing I know that is specifically banned is sports betting (besides horse and mule racing), since there is a Federal law against it (yes, even in tribal casinos).



In the Indian casino that I go to in CA they have card craps and card roulette.

In craps there are two decks of cards (of different colors) with all the possible dice combinations of them (in the correct ratio). The dealer takes one card from each deck, and puts them on the table face down. The player rolls the dice (they are different colors). From the result of the dice roll, the dealer calls out one of the colors (I'm not sure how they determine which color to call out) and they flip over the card of the called color, and the picture on the card is the roll.

In roulette I have even less idea of what is going on. There is a wheel with no numbers on it that spins. I think there are cards in some slots or something. I haven't watched it long enough to figure out how the game works.
AnabelleT
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March 24th, 2014 at 7:51:20 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Do not think of craps as intimidating. The two ends of the table are mirror images of each other and you will only be at which ever one you choose at a time so that eliminates alot. The center bets are "sucker bets" you will NOT be making no matter how much the Stickman pleads with you or waves his stick around and threatens to bean the Boxman if you don't make center bets. So there really is very little to learn about bets at craps.

At a live table with an early morning or early afternoon slow crowd, dealers will always take time to teach you if you are in Vegas, but in Florida you have to go to the boat's craps table about twenty minutes prior to the "opening bell" and get a quick lesson. Its usually too busy on the boats but the dealers WILL try to help you out even if the dice are moving fast and the table is crowded.



You're welcome to PM me and teach me Craps, FleaStiff. I know about making a Pass Line bet, but that's about it, and I'm not even sure I would know when to do it.
"The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me." Ayn Rand

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