Are dealers licenced?

It's probably very likely that dealers in a casino submit to a criminal background check. Obviously I could see where a casino would want to do everything to keep undesirable characters out. However, is this something that is typically required by a State and then, do dealers have a "license" or permit issued by the state?

In PA they are.

Quote: Riva

It's probably very likely that dealers in a casino submit to a criminal background check. Obviously I could see where a casino would want to do everything to keep undesirable characters out. However, is this something that is typically required by a State and then, do dealers have a "license" or permit issued by the state?

Yes.
There are background checks, fingerprinting, etc.
Dealers get licensed, and are on file as licensed and allowed to work, although they no longer carry around or wear a physical license or approval.

Quote: Paigowdan

... although they no longer carry around or wear a physical license or approval.

That depends on the jurisdiction.

Quote: Paigowdan

Dealers get licensed, and are on file as licensed and allowed to work, although they no longer carry around or wear a physical license or approval.

In PA, NJ, and I believe WV they do wear their license. When gaming opened we were told in class that PA was going to be one of the tougher states to get licensed in, and we were *clearly* told that if you lost it your chances of getting licensed in any other state were slim to none and slim was walking out the door.

While I was let go from class the week before we were to apply they told us we were to list any place we ever worked in the previous 20 years. If you had an offshore bank account you were to have a very good reason as to why. It might be a little looser now.

pa followed alot of what goes on here in ontario and we stilll have to have our lic on our person at all times while on the gamin g floor.

Quote: ontariodealer

pa followed alot of what goes on here in ontario and we stilll have to have our lic on our person at all times while on the gamin g floor.

I was told by a dealer that they are allowed in the casino while not working but they could not gamble. If they are in the casino even on their off hours they have to wear their license and it had to be visible. BTW, this is in PA.

I have a license. This is Ohio, BTW, and we're not allowed to gamble in the state at all (except in racinos, and since I discovered tables, playing slots is just not the same.)

Quote: hwccdealer

I have a license. This is Ohio, BTW, and we're not allowed to gamble in the state at all (except in racinos, and since I discovered tables, playing slots is just not the same.)

That will probably eventually loosen. PA took about 2 years to let dealers gamble in a different house. I find that reasonable.

Quote: AZDuffman

That will probably eventually loosen. PA took about 2 years to let dealers gamble in a different house. I find that reasonable.

I would agree as long as they don't gamble in casinos owned by the corporation that owns the one they work at? Perhaps that may not even be a problem depnding on your position?

I would imagine cleaners, general staff, restaurant people and so on could gamble in the casino they work in as long as there are guidelines like no gambling for 8 hours prior to the commencement of your shift and obviously very stiff drinking laws.

I think it works that way in Vegas currently.......last time I checked

Quote: AZDuffman

That will probably eventually loosen. PA took about 2 years to let dealers gamble in a different house. I find that reasonable.

On one hand, you're probably right based on the fact that I spoke with a gaming attorney who told me the intent of the law was to prevent owners from gambling in their own casinos, and the wording got screwed up.

On the other hand...this is Ohio we're talking about.

The reason I bring this subject up is that here in Michigan, the State Gaming Board is proposing that any dealer in a CHARITY GAME, undergo a criminal background check prior to working an event. This is not a casino, mind you. Rather, these are millionaire parties and/or charity poker tournaments.

I understand that there is perhaps some merit is a charity being able to protect itself form unsavory characters who might otherwise take advantage of them. That said, the great majority of dealers are simply volunteers trying to help out a organizations fundraising events. Candidly, I am afraid many people will no longer volunteer for this duty. It is not because they necessarily have anything to hide but many will see this an officious and overly intrusive. This, in turn, will cause the charity to hire dealers, eroding their profits by no small amount.

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Quote: Tomspur

I would agree as long as they don't gamble in casinos owned by the corporation that owns the one they work at? Perhaps that may not even be a problem depnding on your position?

I favor no gambling in your own house and actually don't mind not even being there for non-gaming in your off hours. Get rid of even the appearance of impropriety.

Quote: Riva

The reason I bring this subject up is that here in Michigan, the State Gaming Board is proposing that any dealer in a CHARITY GAME, undergo a criminal background check prior to working an event. This is not a casino, mind you. Rather, these are millionaire parties and/or charity poker tournaments.

States are weird with those. On one hand you can get one for very cheap, but on the other it really is not needed.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I was told by a few dealers here in Detroit that if they were to get caught working a charity room, they could lose their job and license. Whether that is true or not, I don't know. I believe this is just another push by casinos to get all charity rooms and Vegas nights outlawed.

In PA dealer school we were told not to do it in PA. When I talked with a WV Pit Boss about dealer school he said dealers were not allowed to do it. The reasoning is it is hard to draw the line between a charity game and a back-room game. This gets even harder with poker. Again they want to avoid even the appearance of something bad.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I was told by a few dealers here in Detroit that if they were to get caught working a charity room, they could lose their job and license. Whether that is true or not, I don't know. I believe this is just another push by casinos to get all charity rooms and Vegas nights outlawed.

There is no doubt in my mind that the 3 Detroit Casinos and the City of Detroit is behind this to a large degree. Unlike the other casinos in Michigan, the Detroit casinos pour huge money in to the city coffers every day. In fact, it is the largest income source for Detroit, I'm told about half a million per day. So, any time you have charities keeping players from going to the Detroit casinos, the charities become the enemy.

For traditional gaming events like where I volunteer, this is small potatoes to the State and Detroit. However, it is the poker rooms that have grown like wildfire and they have siphoned off a huge chunk of Detroit area players who might otherwise go to one of the Detroit casinos. The State, knowing that they can not rescind the charitable gaming laws, are trying to make it next to impossible for the poker rooms to exist by striping them of virtually any revenue they can make hosting an event in tandem with a charity. Adding momentum to the State's cause is the fact that many abuses of the law have occurred at some of the poker rooms, which some charities have to take some of the blame as well.

The trouble is, in an effort to toss out a few bad apples, all charities will be impacted by these regulations. More specifically, regulations that will increase costs without providing them any remedy to recover them (the wager limit).

Quote: Tomspur

I think it works that way in Vegas currently.......last time I checked

Not sure the last time you checked, But I know for a fact a few years back(this could have changed) dealers played Video poker/slots during breaks at various local casinos including right before and after work. I will get more information how they handled situations regarding waiting for hand-pays and being late to their table. As far as the drinking. You must wait a some amount of time before their shift ,im sure the 8hr thing is probably right. But after their shift, I know I have seen employees head to the bar after clocking out. I don't know the rules on it however.

In some bars the Bartenders who do have a Sheriffs card drink and gamble on their shifts during slow times. I'm not saying that's legal. But how to they explain taxable jackpots to the route operators? Drich have you heard of a bartender hitting Big JP during there shift on lets say keno or something?

Anyone have a heads-up for CT (Tribal Casinos)? Way-back in the 90's all Dealers wore a badge that ID'd them as Dealer and employee, but I was never quite sure if it was "liscense".

Quote: 98Clubs

Anyone have a heads-up for CT (Tribal Casinos)? Way-back in the 90's all Dealers wore a badge that ID'd them as Dealer and employee, but I was never quite sure if it was "liscense".

The badge with the license number on it is not required to be displayed. I don't recall Mohegan Sun ever using them and Foxwoods no longer uses them. Many dealers used to flip them over feeling that there was too much information on them.

Licenses are required in Connecticut. The State Police do background checks on all applicants for gaming licenses. The State Division of Special Revenue issues licenses to those who pass the background check. A criminal record does not automatically disqualify an applicant but if stealing or embezzling are involved there may be a problem.

there is no problem in reno for a dealer to play in off hours at the poker room where he works

Quote: LarryS

there is no problem in reno for a dealer to play in off hours at the poker room where he works

That reminds me...

When I was in Vegas in October, I wandered over to the Plaza. Their poker room is all electronic tables. Kinda like playing online, where you can see each other.

There were several tables, but when I was there, only one had a game going. I think it was 50¢/$1 no limit. Might have been 25¢/50¢. Whatever.

My point is, at several times the game was short handed, so the poker room attendant/manger sat in and played. Yep. Playing WHILE he was working. I asked. They are allowed (obviously) and play with their own money.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

That reminds me...

When I was in Vegas in October, I wandered over to the Plaza. Their poker room is all electronic tables. Kinda like playing online, where you can see each other.

There were several tables, but when I was there, only one had a game going. I think it was 50¢/$1 no limit. Might have been 25¢/50¢. Whatever.

My point is, at several times the game was short handed, so the poker room attendant/manger sat in and played. Yep. Playing WHILE he was working. I asked. They are allowed (obviously) and play with their own money.

Are they fishy? This sounds like a great play.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

That reminds me...

When I was in Vegas in October, I wandered over to the Plaza. Their poker room is all electronic tables. Kinda like playing online, where you can see each other.

There were several tables, but when I was there, only one had a game going. I think it was 50¢/$1 no limit. Might have been 25¢/50¢. Whatever.

My point is, at several times the game was short handed, so the poker room attendant/manger sat in and played. Yep. Playing WHILE he was working. I asked. They are allowed (obviously) and play with their own money.

I think they could also play with the casinos money cant they? I am not saying its done often. But I thought they could in order to keep the table open....and keep the rake coming in. Even if they dont really play a hand and just lose the blinds....the house doesnt get the reduced rake and makesout in the end.

I have seen games that went down to 5 players and the house cut the rake in half....But then the room manager comes in to make 6, charges full rake, and in a 1-2 no limit game........the room managers stack loses 3 dollars ever 5 hands...in exchange for a higher rake. Casino wins on that move.

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