WoVCON (East) Report!!!

Greetings!

Initial Meet-Up

The following is a description of events at the WoVCON East/Midwest/Appalachia event held at Meadows Casino and DoubleTree Inn on Sunday, March 2nd, 2014 from 12:15p.m.-7:00p.m. (or later, up to five people left after me).

The day opened up with me having a hellacious drive to Meadows from my house due to the fact that we had spent the last few hours getting absolutely pelted by snow. I left at 10:15a.m. hoping to make it to Meadows (usually 60-75 minutes, traffic dependent) by noon and still did not arrive until 12:15p.m.

The first thing I did was go to the Player's Club with my computer print-out to get my $10 off coupon for the Food Court. On my way to the Food Court, OdiousGambit noticed me and came over to say hello, he was the first one there. OdiousGambit and I walked over to the fish & chips place whereupon I got a fish & chips and a coffee (though they gave me two coffees by mistake) and OdiousGambit got an espresso from a coffee place stating he'd already had breakfast.

I recalled something being mentioned in the Forum about meeting "By the windows," so I suggested to OG that we find a location near the windows overlooking the track. Originally, I wanted to sit in these comfortable leather armchairs, but the TV's near there were entirely too loud and I needed some coffee to perk me up after the hellacious drive I had and being up all night on an advantage play at Wheeling Island. (It didn't come through in time, but other advantage plays before that had went REALLY well and I still left $2xx.xx ahead.)

I discussed the weather situation with OG and we decided that we would give everyone until 1:30 to get there before proceeding to the Craps table.

I believe GWAE and Mrs. GWAE were the next two individuals to arrive, and let me say that Mrs. GWAE has an absolutely charming personality, she was great to have around and I hope she comes to the next event!

We sat around and discussed everything, and I apologize if I am in any way out of order, but I believe that AZDuffman was the next one to approach, and by some kind of weird intuition that I can't explain, I knew it was him as soon as I saw him even though I have never met or seen a picture of him before.

The remaining people who showed up did so in a more staggered way from that point forward. I believe Wrongway and the lovely Mrs. Wrongway were the next two to show up, and Mrs. Wrongway was the only other significant other to attend, and just as much of a pleasure to have with the group as Mrs. GWAE. I also believe that Mrs. Wrongway was counting cards when she was playing BJ, though she vehemently denies doing so or knowing how to do it...I still don't buy it for a second.

The third-to-last person to show up was OneNickelMiracle who had contacted me to let me know he'd be a little late. OneNickelMiracle looks exactly like this actor I saw in a movie once, and trying to figure out who had bothered me all day, and I still have no idea who the actor is.

The second-to-last person to show up, who also let me know he'd be late, was Vendman1.

TeddyS also let me know he would be late and had still not arrived by 1:30p.m., but he called and let me know that he had just pulled into the parking garage, so I asked him if it was okay for us to start heading to the Craps table...the answer to the question is obvious, I think TeddyS might have the most agreeable disposition of anyone I've ever met.

Da' Craps

It was the "Hottest" Craps table I've ever seen in my life. Ever. This was sick.

I arrived at the Craps Table slightly late because Vendman1 had to sign up for a Player's Club card and I decided to walk him over to the counter because I wanted to get a cup of coffee, anyway. I played some crappy paytable Joker Poker game for nickels while he was doing that, and lost $5.00 quicker than I thought possible. Actually, I might have lost half of the $5 I put in there and switched to quarters to either get rid of it or get it back really quick, I don't remember, I was still somewhat delirious until I got about three more cups of coffee in me.

Vendman1 and I approached the Craps Table just as TeddyS got the dice.

OdiousGambit was cool enough to put up $25 for a Craps Challenge by which the person who made the most passes before Sevening-Out (CO winners counted, Craps on the CO did not) would be the winner.

Aside from that, I'll leave everyone else to disclose how much they won or lost or personally played, but I played $5 PL with No Odds on any point except 4/10 and single-odds on those because I wanted to give my $100 a good chance of lasting two-and-a-half hours to 4:00p.m. And it did! The only exceptions to this were that I placed the Six/Eight and I made $1 Crap Checks (will explain later) on my last hand.

TeddyS had a roll of a pretty impressive length, although, he only had two wins during his hand.

The dice went to OdiousGambit who put together a roll in which he also had two wins and tied TeddyS for the lead. I forget the exact number of rolls in OG's hand, but it definitely exceeded fifteen and was less than thirty.

The dice then went to AZDuffman who took the lead in the challenge by having three PL winners, all of them via point numbers, in fact. AZDuffman seemed to work a little bit quicker than OdiousGambit, however, as his roll did not seem to last as long as Vendman1's.

Vendman1 was the next with the dice and he had two Pass Line winners and had the longest turn with the dice to that point, surpassing OdiousGambit. In fact, OneNickelMiracle took Odds for the first time on Vendman1's roll and Vendman1 jokingly asked after making his first point, "Any tips?" That particular point took fourteen rolls to make, so I did give vendman1 a tip, "Do it faster next time." He found that pretty amusing, I think he and I have a pretty similar sense of humor.

I would win the OdiousGambit Craps Challenge on my hand after Vendman1 sevened-out. I proceeded to have a 37 roll hand with three points made, two CO winners and one CO Craps number. Unfortunately, I took down four COME bets during my hand because I was very adept at rolling Crap numbers during this long hand. I think I may have had a Yo or two to make up for it, and the Come Odds certainly did.

My score on that roll was five wins. Another fun note was that I said "Seven" on my first roll and that's what it was. It didn't impress anyone other than the guy across from me (Left side box, boxman's right) because everyone here knows that was a 1:6 shot...besides...I almost always do that on my first roll just because it looks good if I hit it.

OneNickelMiracle would get the dice next and would put together a CO winner as well as a Point Made for two wins in eleven rolls. He had a few repeat numbers in this time which would help the COME w/Odds bettors as he rolled three consecutive Nines during a hand with a Five on either side of that.

The first six of us combined to hold the dice for 65 MINUTES!!! Not only did we do very well, but in addition to that, there were quite a few Place/Buy bettors (not us) with bets all the way across, and they were making some money, as well.

The next four people, who were not related to WoV whatsoever, proceeded to absolutely blow, for a straight up PL bettor, three of the four people lost money and one of the four people would break the PL bettor even.

GWAE was next with the dice, and he had a roll in which he had two point number winners and a CO winner. Mrs. GWAE rolled with similar results.

There was a second table that opened up, and I remember that Wrongway went to that, but I don't recall if he ever rolled at our table or not. He may have had a short hand, at one point, because I do recall going to the bathroom with a PL bet out there and asking AZ to toss the dealers a buck if it won.

The dice went back to TeddyS, who unfortunately went down pretty fast.

OdiousGambit had another turn with the dice, and made a real sporting effort of trying to beat me, he came close with three winners overall.

The dice went back to AZDuffman, who I believe, may have PSO'd almost immediately.

The dice came back to me again, and Vendman1 announced that he got a call and had to leave as the weather was getting worse out his way.

He left and OdiousGambit offered to double the win (assuming I won) to $50 if I could surpass five total winners. At this point, I wanted to make sure that I left the table with more money than I started with because I had been tipping a buck on every single PL winner and every single Place bet winner when I had the dice. For this reason only I ended up making five Crap Check bets on the CO, which never hit. I ended up with four wins, three of them point numbers, during my time on that hand and rolled the dice nineteen times.

Anyway, after the first two PL winners, I went back to placing the six/eight, though I went one hit and down with the eight as soon as that came in for me and ended up losing on the Place Six.

Craps Conclusion

At that point, I was kind of tired, so I asked OdiousGambit to continue to track the OG Challenge and I went to cash out my chips. I also needed a little break from the noise of the Craps game.

Other than the long rolls, another fascinating thing that happened is that there were nine occasions in which the point established was a four or ten, and the point was MADE on eight of those occasions. NICE!!!

Overall, I would have finished Craps with $175, but after $60 in total tips, I cashed out for $115. Actually, now that I think about it, I was tipping the cocktail waitress $2 every time she brought coffee, as well, and I think I drank five cups of coffee at the table, so I'd have actually won $85 for $185, but tipped $70.

Again, I'm not going to get into specific individual results, but only including the WoV crew (from my results and asking everyone) we won a combined $2,600-$3,200 at the Craps Table.

NICE!!!!

Dinner

After cashing out at Craps, I went to the restroom and kind of meandered for a little bit. I left the Craps Table at 3:40 having played for two hours and we were scheduled to re-convene at 4:00 to work on the High Limit Slot Pool. I played a Deuces Wild game for nickels, but bumped it up to dimes after I was down $2.50 and got my money back. I left that machine even.

I went back to the Craps Table and called "Last hand," to let everyone know it was time to work on the high limit slot pool and then dinner. I also gathered Mrs. Wrongway who was playing Blackjack at the time.

Everyone went to the cage and cashed out and then we went to organize the shares for the High Limit Slot Pool. We came up with $375 for fifteen total shares, and I bought 1/5 of one of OneNickelMiracle's shares for $5.00.

The first machine I played was some top dollar machine for $125 of the pool which everyone encouraged me to play. I believe I was playing for $5 spin and that money was lost almost immediately.

OdiousGambit played his $10 Free Play on two hands of $1 VP which both lost, and he was chosen to play the high-limit pool on some multi-line Progressive machine I forget the name of, it was a must-hit Progressive, but it was not in good territory. OdiousGambit lost the $250, but he took awhile about it, so we at least got a little time value. He should get some good offers in the mail, Meadows will think he's a straight baller, he'd actually literally never played slots before that...I believe he said...that's why he was chosen!

The Meadows kindly provided four of us a shuttle to DoubleTree while GWAE/Mrs.GWAE, OdiousGambit, Wrongway/Mrs. Wrongway all drove over there.

DoubleTree had a very nice table set up for us and fully prepared with all of the utensils and water already in the water glasses. The first thing that we did was all order out drinks, I had a Stella Artois draft to start and then switched to coffee. I said "I'm not really good at making speeches, so I'm just going to say, 'I propose a toast,' and leave it at that. So, yeah, I'm proposing a toast."

OdiousGambit then presented me with one of the greatest gifts ever as appreciation for setting up the event, a bottle of Absolut Vodka!!!

I don't believe I'd ever tried Absolut before (rarely drink vodka, and has been Grey Goose or Smirnoff in the rare event) but I think it's terrific and better than Grey Goose!

I digress.

The waitress then came around and got our food orders, after which I passed around the WoV Trivia Quiz (will post questions in a following post in this thread) for everyone to fill out. Everyone completed the test and passed it to the person to their right for grading, I read the questions and answers, and OneNickelMiracle and TeddyS combined for 13/20 correct to participate in the tie-breaker.

The tie-breaker format was Craps up on the stage in the restaurant. The dice had to hit the wall and each person was given a pair of dice, the object was to establish and make a point as quickly as possible with CO winners not counting and Seven-Out meaning you had to start over. The tie-breaker ended with little tension as TeddyS immediately rolled back-to-back sixes. OneNickelMiracle rolled a ten and followed it up with I forget what.

OneNickelMiracle was second place and got to keep the Wheeling Island Hotel, Casino, Racetrack dice as well as a deck of Wheeling Island cards.

TeddyS was the winner and received Wheeling Island cards & dice as well, but he also got a cup collection with a Wheeling Island coffee mug, a Wheeling Island shot glass and a Wheeling Island champagne flute!

After some discussion, it was unanimous that we will choose The Meadows as our location for the next get-together unless it is outvoted by people who were not at this one, which is interesting, because at the beginning of the day we were extoling the virtues of having it at a different casino every time!

The Craps crew was great, though, we had a great time. I fist-bumped them all before we left. The pit supervisor, during my first roll, I perceived as staring daggers into me. Vendman1 says he didn't perceive that and AZDuffman agrees with me. I still have to ask OneNickelMiracle, who was standing to my left.

I hope OneNickel exchanged phone numbers with this girl who was there playing Craps, she was totally into him, and she was cute.

The food at the DoubleTree received mixed reviews, even though I thought everything was great. The most frequent thing was that everyone seemed to think the food was more well done than they would have liked, but I order everything well done if ordering from the menu, so I'd have considered it a positive.

I had the Angus Burger with Cheddar, caramelized onion, sautéed mushrooms, tomato and lettuce with no ketchup/mustard or mayo. I also had the fries and the House's homemade potato chips come with the burger.

The Executive Chef at DoubleTree is an excellent saleswoman!!! We went from 0 of us getting dessert to ALL of us getting dessert. Three people got the cheesecake, five people got the chocolate lava cake and OneNickelMiracle got apple pie, and the chef whispered to me "Apple pie is for sissies."

HA!!!

OneNickelMiracle asked me what she whispered and I said "That you are very handsome," but I told him what she actually said later.

TeddyS was determined to out-tip me and he did so by percentage, but not dollar amount. $20 to $23.67, but 94.96% to 88.46%.

Four of us shuttled back to the Meadows (OneNickelMiracle, AZDuffman and TeddyS were the others) and I have no idea what happened after that. After exchanging goodbyes with everyone at the restaurant I had to leave because I wanted to stop and get my wife cigarettes and make it home before the kids went to bed.

That was the trip for me, the ride home was much better. It pretty much only decided to snow just before me having to leave and on the way there. I remarked to OdiousGambit and a few others during the meet & greet, after looking out the window "Now, it decides to stop."

Great trip, great time!!! See you guys in September, though I'll see a few of you (at least a few) before that!!!

***I've already done 10 push-ups for each Crap Check.

Did I show up? I guess not..

Quote: EvenBob

Did I show up? I guess not..

If so, you certainly should have said hi.

Where I come from, west of Pittsburgh is squarely Midwest, not East!

Seems like ONM is a bit of a ladies man. No doubt the chef was flirting with him, or she was flirting with you Mission :)

Great report, hopefully I will be able to attend the Vegas September get together. Really looking forward to it!

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Quote: Ibeatyouraces

The Midwest should be the Nevada/Utah area.

Damn that Louisiana Purchase

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Greetings!

The WoV East Trivia Challenge questions were as follows, if you can beat 13/20, then you would have won. I'll post the questions now and the answers in a few days.:

(I'd already printed everything out when I realized I had made two mistakes in the way I phrased stuff, so I corrected them verbally and will correct them below the question.)

1.) In chronological order using “1” for earliest and “5” for most recent, identify the order that the following states legalized Table Games:
A.) Indiana ____
B.) Ohio ____
C.) West Virginia ____
D.) New Jersey ____
E.) Pennsylvania ____

2.) In what year were slot machines legalized at West Virginia’s four racetracks?

A.) 1997
B.) 1994
C.) 1988
D.) 2014
E.) 1786

3.) Casinos in the State of West Virginia are required to have a racetrack for either dogs or horses (or be a private resort): How many casinos are in the State of West Virginia, how many have horse racing and how many have dog racing?***

***The intention of this question was how many casinos discluding those that are private resorts, so I allowed two answers to be correct as there is currently one private resort.

Casinos: ___________
Dogs: ___________
Horses: ___________

4.) True or False: Wheeling Island Hotel, Casino, Racetrack is the only public building in Ohio County, West Virginia in which smoking is allowed:

5.) Year-Over-Year revenue, according to David Mckee’s Stiffs and Georges was down at Hollywood Columbus, Horseshoe Cleveland, Hollywood Toledo and Scioto Downs Racino. However, one listed property was down only by 4% and performed the best, which was it?

6.) Who is the parent company (i.e. corporate owner) of the answer to Question #5?


7.) Meadows Casino is owned by a company who owns and operates two Las Vegas Casinos, which casinos are they?

A.) Gold Strike & Railroad Pass
B.) Cannery and Eastside Cannery
C.) Sam’s Town and Red Rock
D.) Suncoast and Gold Coast


8.) The parent company of Mountaineer Resort once owned what Downtown Vegas casino?

A.) The D (as Fitzgerald’s)
B.) Golden Gate (as Nevada Hotel)
C.) Glitter Gulch (as Golden Goose Casino)
D.) Fremont
E.) Binion’s
F.) Four Queens

9.) What Pennsylvania casino is owned by the parent company of Mountaineer Resort?

10.) What was the first casino to open in the State of Ohio?

11.) The parent company of what West Virginia casino operates nearly fifty times more free-standing retail stores than it does casinos?

12.) What is the name of the company from question 11?

13.) What is the maximum number of gaming machines a West Virginia “Slot Parlor,” may have?

14.) In your head, how many individual numbers would one have to cover in Roulette to have a 71.1% chance of having a winning number in a single spin?

15.) In your head, if you make a $23 Pass Line bet on Craps on a Table allowing for 5x Odds, establish a Point, Make the Point and profit a total of $195.50, name either of the numbers that the Point Number could have been, assuming full odds were taken.

16.) With four cards in Let It Ride, would you let it ride if your cards were 9-8-7-6, not suited?

17.) For the player to have made the proper play to end up in the scenario in Question 16 in the first place, how many of the cards in the hand 9-8-7-6 must be of the same suit and which specific cards (if any) must be of the same suit?***

***I verbally specified that, assuming the player Let It Ride after seeing three cards, what would he have to have. Of course he is still in the hand, either way, as there is no folding in LiR.

18.) Wizard once hosted Gambling with an Edge, who is the only person to have hosted the show from the beginning to currently?

19.) What is the worst Three Card Poker hand on which the player should still Raise, absent information he wouldn’t normally have?

20.) Which is the better bet: Betting a single number at single-zero Roulette (without the imprisonment “European” rule) or betting the Field at Craps assuming either Snake Eyes or Midnight pays 3:1?

I believe I got 9 right. I'm pretty confident about my answers so even though I don't have the officialy answers yet, I believe 9 it is for me :)

we definitely had a great time. I wish we were there longer. The 3 hours at the craps table went by way to quickly. I guess that happens when you that many rolls. I want to thank wrongway and TeddyS for teaching me a little about craps. I can now confidently play more than just pass line with odds and place the 6/8. Even though I shouldn't and probably won't I at least know what the hell is going on.

Between my wife and I we spent $18 for the day including tips, slot pull, craps, and dinner. We were basically just playing pass line with odds.

1 thing to note and I think this went for all of us except for the 1 dark side player. The first person to shoot I believe was TeddyS. If I remember right he made a point or pass line win pretty quickly so we were never once into negative territory while playing craps. Also with all of these super long rolls there were not a lot of points made. For those that were making come bets or spreading there were lots of numbers getting hit but for those of us that were strictly on the pass line it was a slow and methodical win. IIRC, no one made more than 2 points so we were never close to winning a fire bet. "Crapsgenious" would not have been impressed.

I would have loved to hear what the pit crew said after we left. When we showed up at the table there were only 3 people playing and the first 6 of us swarmed the table like bees and then we all left at the same time while taking a few grand of their money.

Quote: GWAE

If I remember right he made a point or pass line win pretty quickly so we were never once into negative territory while playing craps. Also with all of these super long rolls there were not a lot of points made.

For those that were making come bets or spreading there were lots of numbers getting hit but for those of us that were strictly on the pass line it was a slow and methodical win. IIRC, no one made more than 2 points so we were never close to winning a fire bet. "Crapsgenious" would not have been impressed.

I would have loved to hear what the pit crew said after we left. When we showed up at the table there were only 3 people playing and the first 6 of us swarmed the table like bees and then we all left at the same time while taking a few grand of their money.

I separated one of your paragraphs.

The first part of what I quoted is exactly right if one was playing the PL or PL + Odds and flat-betting, if those two things are assumed, then such an individual was never in negative territory. I'm not sure how the COME bettors would have fared when TeddyS eventually sevened-out or the Place bettors. I think they'd have been in pretty good shape too, though.

If I may offer a slight correction, I made three points my first turn with the dice, however, one of those points (eight) was a repeat. I also had three point number winners on my second turn with the dice, but I can't remember if any of those numbers repeated or not. Either way, you are right, there were zero winning Fire Bets, not even a four-pointer, even though the table performed excellently.

I'm not sure how the pit crew felt about it, but the Craps crew definitely loved us!

First of all, I left later than planned which was a mistake because it put pressure on me to be late. Local roads to the turnpike were bad, but going 30, you'll live. The turnpike was excellent well worth the price Sunday to travel 36 miles for $5.90. However, I was in for a shock when I saw 79.

It was like living in a third world country seeing the road so neglected, it was as dirty as a baby diaper. Twenty five miles just in total stress trying to keep my wheels in the same path worn into the snow. Luckily 11 miles from the Meadows, a plow was in front of me and driving was easy.

Finally met everyone and I was at ease quicker than I expected. I waited the whole day for someone to crack on me for wearing a Yanked jersey, but it never happened.

Meadows as usual, mail was late while they bite their fingers worrying about whether to send it or not. For months I've been getting pull tabs on Sundays, but nothing yet and March mailer was also late. Turned out it came Monday and I could have used a $10 food coupon and not worried about triggering the mail.

Luckily, I had $35 free play and used it on Thunder Bucks winning a $150 one line bonus which I used to play craps.
At craps, it was better than I thought it would be as I had only originally planned on losing $100 hoping it to not be too quick. I won about $40 not including about $10 for dealer tokes and $5 at the end for lovely Laura, from Delaware,to my left, because I noticed her chips were running really low under $50. Didn't ask for her phone number because she just lived too far away and what were the odds. Hearing Mission mention her, I now regret it. She was gorgeous with greyish green eyes and I enjoyed looking at her.

Since I figured I was ahead up at the slot pool, I paid for 5 shares and almost decided on more. I wouldn't have regretted it and would do more if the dollar machine was near as high again. Under $7000 coin-in would have bought the $500 and I don't think it was too far off for us to gamble on. Luck wasn't on our side.....

....One bonus or the minor would have done it and reached our goal.

Dinner went well. The only thing I would complain about would be the chef having her stupid irrational ideas about apple pie and thinking it's alright calling someone you don't know a sissy. I didn't want chocolate and couldn't have the cheese cake since according to her, it was ladies only. I did enjoy Teddy not eating it making her feathers ruffled.

After dinner, I split up to play some slots since I didn't have the time earlier and only had an hour to stay. Teddy mentioned I was headed to our slot machine from the high limit pool and I wasn't thinking of it at the time.

Everything on my regular slots progressive wise was low or taken, so I just bounced around. I would have normally just parked at a Cashman Tonight slot just to take a shot, but I didn't because they were now all non-smoking. Most of their Aristocrat stand alone slots have been converted to non-smoking for whatever dumb reason.

Real quickly lost $160 in an hour with $40 on Wicked Winnings II, $50 on Thunder Bucks, $40 on DDB, and the rest lost on Willy Wonka, Outback Jack, and quick hits. Just got out of control worrying to try to get the mail sent. I'll never do that again and it was just me not thinking right. I had thought I was losing more because I forgot I hid money from myself and didn't have a clue what happened to the rest of my cash.

Took the long way to Mountaineer to check in and found it when I was in the room. The room was satisfactory as normal and I enjoyed getting drunk with my free drinks there. I was wasted though towards the end and luckily just retreated to the room. Movies were $17 but when I tried exiting the menu, a $5 coupon appeared. I called the desk and requested them blocked afterwards anyways. My only complaint was the room was too hot and the comforter also too hot, but soft to lay on. The price to pay for avoiding their porn was having to check out at the desk in person. Went home a loser, but wiser after this trip.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

but I didn't because they were now all non-smoking. Most of their Aristocrat stand alone slots have been converted to non-smoking for whatever dumb reason.

So you don't kill the poor bastard sitting next to you.

Did anyone catch Mission sneaking a smoke in the bathroom?

Quote: onenickelmiracle

Dinner went well. The only thing I would complain about would be the chef having her stupid irrational ideas about apple pie and thinking it's alright calling someone you don't know a sissy. I didn't want chocolate and couldn't have the cheese cake since according to her, it was ladies only. I did enjoy Teddy not eating it making her feathers ruffled.

Cheesecake is cheesecake, and if she wants to call me a lady for it, then I'm a lady. Ugliest lady to ever walk the planet, but a lady all the same, if loving cheesecake is the criteria. I don't think she actually believed that you're a sissy.

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Took the long way to Mountaineer...and I enjoyed getting drunk with my free drinks there.

When are we hanging out together at Mountaineer, hey hey!?

Quote: Mission146

Cheesecake is cheesecake, and if she wants to call me a lady for it, then I'm a lady. Ugliest lady to ever walk the planet, but a lady all the same, if loving cheesecake is the criteria. I don't think she actually believed that you're a sissy.



When are we hanging out together at Mountaineer, hey hey!?

They toss those out to almost everyone for being lowly gold. I've seen guys sitting at the bar with stacks of them from people printing them up and handing them to strangers. I was able to get them before and after midnight and some from people I know. Four giant long island sissy drinks in two hours and I was gone. Anyways, just sitting at the bar playing keno at the right spot, people will approach you and probably hand them to you. The only thing is employees such as bartenders and CWs can't take them and re-gift to patrons, so people hand them to strangers.

Quote: EvenBob

Did I show up? I guess not..

I doubt it, you are not the type to have been the outsider who tried to start a fight at the craps table.

Quote: AxelWolf

So you don't kill the poor bastard sitting next to you.

Half the floor is for each, with it being determined with each machine individually being labeled as smoking or non-smoking, so your theory doesn't make sense. Nothing was reduced and in Pennsylvania, the state made them prove 25% non-smoking was hurting business to have smoking machines increased to 50%. I just questioned why certain machines people actually like to play for long periods and smoke at are non-smoking. There don't seem to be many non smokers playing any of them with the pots low with empty machines.

Quote: AZDuffman

I doubt it, you are not the type to have been the outsider who tried to start a fight at the craps table.

wait, Bob wasn't that old cranky guy at the craps table was he? The guy to the immediate right of the craps crew?

Quote: onenickelmiracle

Half the floor is for each, with it being determined with each machine individually being labeled as smoking or non-smoking, so your theory doesn't make sense. Nothing was reduced and in Pennsylvania, the state made them prove 25% non-smoking was hurting business to have smoking machines increased to 50%. I just questioned why certain machines people actually like to play for long periods and smoke at are non-smoking. There don't seem to be many non smokers playing any of them with the pots low with empty machines.

I think you are giving casinos too much credit for thinking. I would put money on it that they don't think about which machines are where in relation to smoking. Possibly if a machine is not performing well they may move it to a different part of the casino but even that is a stretch.

Quote: GWAE

I think you are giving casinos too much credit for thinking. I would put money on it that they don't think about which machines are where in relation to smoking. Possibly if a machine is not performing well they may move it to a different part of the casino but even that is a stretch.

IMHO, that is such a sensitive subject, and has been linked to large declines in other states' casino revenue, that I do think they're tracking that metric quite closely. But I don't know that, just my impression.

In general, sounds like a really great get-together. Nice that you all had fun, and that most of you were winners as well. I would make a suggestion, if the group were to go for it; if you enjoyed each other enough to make an overnight trip of it, you might pull in some of us from further away and grow the event. Sounds like OG stayed in the area, and I would have done as well, had the weather cooperated with driving up there, but a few hours + dinner for 1000+ miles each way was a factor in deciding whether to attend.

Thanks for the detailed report, guys!

Quote: beachbumbabs

IMHO, that is such a sensitive subject, and has been linked to large declines in other states' casino revenue, that I do think they're tracking that metric quite closely. But I don't know that, just my impression.

In general, sounds like a really great get-together. Nice that you all had fun, and that most of you were winners as well. I would make a suggestion, if the group were to go for it; if you enjoyed each other enough to make an overnight trip of it, you might pull in some of us from further away and grow the event. Sounds like OG stayed in the area, and I would have done as well, had the weather cooperated with driving up there, but a few hours + dinner for 1000+ miles each way was a factor in deciding whether to attend.

Thanks for the detailed report, guys!

I think that is a great idea. Even though I am local I would actually get a hotel if there were multiple people doing it. Maybe a little gambling saturday evening, then we all could do something ie. bar, restaurant, other event. The do the actual meet up on Sunday afternoon like we did this one. I am not sure how many would show for a 2 day but I would be in.

Quote: beachbumbabs

IMHO, that is such a sensitive subject, and has been linked to large declines in other states' casino revenue, that I do think they're tracking that metric quite closely. But I don't know that, just my impression.

In general, sounds like a really great get-together. Nice that you all had fun, and that most of you were winners as well. I would make a suggestion, if the group were to go for it; if you enjoyed each other enough to make an overnight trip of it, you might pull in some of us from further away and grow the event. Sounds like OG stayed in the area, and I would have done as well, had the weather cooperated with driving up there, but a few hours + dinner for 1000+ miles each way was a factor in deciding whether to attend.

Thanks for the detailed report, guys!

My original plan was to spend Saturday at Rivers and then Sunday at Meadows, although that is still not very much for 1000+ miles each way driving.

I'm glad that I backed out after how much snow my area ended up receiving Sunday night through Monday morning and the mention of how bad snow was for people trying to get to Meadows. And I'm extra glad after hearing all the success at the craps table, as I would've been on the Don't Pass and absolutely shot my bankroll. It's good to hear everybody did well though!

Quote: mission146

a description of events at the WoVCON East/Midwest/Appalachia event

I learned a lot about Pierce at this event, including a suspicion that he has a photographic memory. Great report!

Quote: mission146

OdiousGambit was cool enough to put up $25 for a Craps Challenge...
Aside from that, I'll leave everyone else to disclose how much they won or lost

I see no reason not to repeat this challenge, it was my pleasure and under the terms, very easy to honor. Good experience with it, I'll modify it in future post; this will include the doubling if *anybody* can beat a good performance like 5 passes. Probably, also, not to include come-out passes though, mainly because it is just easier to keep track of things without it.

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It was like living in a third world country seeing the road so neglected, it was as dirty as a baby diaper. Twenty five miles just in total stress trying to keep my wheels in the same path worn into the snow. Luckily 11 miles from the Meadows, a plow was in front of me and driving was easy.

PA was a marvel compared to WV, but I don't know which way you were coming from. I guess we have to give Mosca credit for his caution if you ran into this in PA.

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The only thing I would complain about would be the chef

Just shows how some people like somebody, others the opposite, I can understand either reaction. She was worried about me being in the latter camp I think, but I instantly [secretly] admired what she was doing. Anybody who can sell desserts like that is worth a lot to a restaurant. I was putting up a fight for 'no dessert' as that is 'just me' at restaurant dining except for very special occasion with the wife. The chef conquered me though, finally, which I got a big kick out of.

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I doubt it, you are not the type to have been the outsider who tried to start a fight at the craps table.

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wait, Bob wasn't that old cranky guy at the craps table was he? The guy to the immediate right of the craps crew?

You guys may be on to something! The guy pounced on GWAE for letting his hands hang down a bit, and I am quite sure that his dice never hit those hands. His quick exit I hope meant he was wiped out, if so Justice was served.

Quote: odiousgambit

I learned a lot about Pierce at this event, including a suspicion that he has a photographic memory. Great report!



I see no reason not to repeat this challenge, it was my pleasure and under the terms, very easy to honor. Good experience with it, I'll modify it in future post; this will include the doubling if *anybody* can beat a good performance like 5 passes. Probably, also, not to include come-out passes though, mainly because it is just easier to keep track of things without it.



PA was a marvel compared to WV, but I don't know which way you were coming from. I guess we have to give Mosca credit for his caution if you ran into this in PA.



Just shows how some people like somebody, others the opposite, I can understand either reaction. She was worried about me being in the latter camp I think, but I instantly [secretly] admired what she was doing. Anybody who can sell desserts like that is worth a lot to a restaurant. I was putting up a fight for 'no dessert' as that is 'just me' at restaurant dining except for very special occasion with the wife. The chef conquered me though, finally, which I got a big kick out of.




You guys may be on to something! The guy pounced on GWAE for letting his hands hang down a bit, and I am quite sure that his dice never hit those hands. His quick exit I hope meant he was wiped out, if so Justice was served.

He wasn't angry at me. It was the guy next to me. In his defense he was still getting a bet set as our side of the table had a lot of action. I would have mouthed off to him more if my wife wasn't there as she gets mad when I do that.

Quote: mission146

OdiousGambit was cool enough to put up $25 for a Craps Challenge...Aside from that, I'll leave everyone else to disclose how much they won or lost

I meant to add that I was up $430 at the end, after a green chip to Pierce and to the crew. Not a record, but it was a $5 table and I never pressed. Still, no, not the hottest table I have ever been at but it was sweet nonetheless!

PS: Pierce won the challenge to get the green chip of course. BTW the vodka was a thanks also for getting me the lowest rate imaginable at a motel. Much appreciated, of course combined with my luck at the tables it meant the whole trip was paid for easily.

Quote: odiousgambit

PA was a marvel compared to WV, but I don't know which way you were coming from. I guess we have to give Mosca credit for his caution if you ran into this in PA.

There was no pleasure in that credit. I enjoy everyone's thoughts as shared here, and we wanted very much to share time at the tables and slots as well. We made the right decision, but not happily. For what it's worth, after the dusting in the morning we got no snow at all from the storm. The cold air pushed further south than expected, and we wound up with sub-zero cold instead. But you don't have to shovel cold, nor clean it off your windshield.

Sounds like fun. Maybe we should do a WovCon-PacNW at one of the tribal casinos up here one of these days...I think we could get maybe 3 members cobbled together?

Quote: odiousgambit

I meant to add that I was up $430 at the end, after a green chip to Pierce and to the crew. Not a record, but it was a $5 table and I never pressed. Still, no, not the hottest table I have ever been at but it was sweet nonetheless!

PS: Pierce won the challenge to get the green chip of course. BTW the vodka was a thanks also for getting me the lowest rate imaginable at a motel. Much appreciated, of course combined with my luck at the tables it meant the whole trip was paid for easily.

That's right, forgot to include that, I profited $40 after tips from Craps!

Quote: Mission146

That's right, forgot to include that, I profited $40 after tips from Craps!

I too had a great time. Sorry I had to leave early and miss dinner, but the weather was making me nervous...and the wife called basically begging me to come home so I obliged her. For the record I made a whopping $40 playing craps and another $20 at BJ. The BJ is uncountable with the CSM's, but the rules are otherwise good PA rules. Thanks to Pierce for organizing. But the 3-4 hour drive back to the Baltimore area in that weather was pretty stressful. The roads especially I-79 were in pretty bad shape...it turned the 3hr drive into a 4.5 hour stress filled ride. Next time better weather please....who has pull in this area :)

Quote: AcesAndEights

Sounds like fun. Maybe we should do a WovCon-PacNW at one of the tribal casinos up here one of these days...I think we could get maybe 3 members cobbled together?

You volunteering to set it up? I'll need to know the date by the 10th of the previous month to get it off.

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You volunteering to set it up? I'll need to know the date by the 10th of the previous month to get it off.

This is the next area on my chip collecting wish list. With notice (and assuming I ever actually sell something and make commission here at work), I'd try to time my trip to match this meeting.

Quote: miplet

You volunteering to set it up? I'll need to know the date by the 10th of the previous month to get it off.

Quote: rdw4potus

This is the next area on my chip collecting wish list. With notice (and assuming I ever actually sell something and make commission here at work), I'd try to time my trip to match this meeting.

Interesting idea. I think the main problem is proximity; back east the metro areas are much closer together! If we wanted to get a range of people from Portland, OR up to Vancouver, BC (I know there are members in both of those cities and in between), the drive for the furthest person would be non-trivial and probably require an overnight stay.

It would be fun to try though; the first step would probably be making a poll with a prospective, somewhat-central location.

I am going to have to NOT volunteer to organize, because I am simultaneously planning 2 Ultimate tournaments and am also getting married this summer. But if no one else feels like planning it, I'll pick up this idea again around August.

I would propose Snoqualmie Casino, as it is nearly equidistant between the two cities mentioned above.

The wife and I had a great time and enjoyed meeting all of you. Thank you Mission146 for setting everything up and making it happen. I'm open to anywhere folks want to meet for the next one but I did, and do, enjoy the Meadows. I also thought you picked a great place for dinner. Much better than I expected from a hotel restaurant.

Quote: wrongway

The wife and I had a great time and enjoyed meeting all of you. Thank you Mission146 for setting everything up and making it happen. I'm open to anywhere folks want to meet for the next one but I did, and do, enjoy the Meadows. I also thought you picked a great place for dinner. Much better than I expected from a hotel restaurant.

You're welcome, and that was all GWAE on selecting the dinner location! I'd have had us driving out to Bridgeville and dealing with horrendous parking in six inches of snow with the place I initially recommended!

It was killing me Friday, knowing the WoVCon(East) was going on without me. And it was rock salt in the open wound to hear the craps table was so kind to you. Someone mentioned starting out positive on the very first roll. It is amazing how many times that leads to a winning session.

OdiousGambit seems to be the generous and standup guy that I dealt with on the shirts (actually, every person who ordered a shirt was awesome to deal with). But putting up one's own money, with no return, and bringing Vodka gifts is someone who puts others first, and that makes them first class in my book. Well done OG!

So by now, I am really regretting not having been able to make the trip, until I started reading the travel reports. I would have been coming north on 77 and then 79, which I think is still in the Great Smokey Mountains. I expect that road may have been a nightmare. I spent 40 years in the Endless Mountains of NE PA, so I am quite familiar with the white knuckle, snow storm driving, and I am too darn old now to want to deal with it. I am mad I missed a great get together, and a hot craps table, but happy I did not travel in those conditions.

I will be posting the slot pull video shortly. I also have a short video of the trivia quiz roll off but I need permission from TeddyS and ONM before I post it. It is only 10 sec long but I believe you can see both of them in it.

Quote: RaleighCraps

someone who puts others first, and that makes them first class in my book. Well done OG!

Thanks! I was quite concerned about my site name and people wondering if they wanted to meet an "odious" person or not. Maybe I over-compensated! As for the Challenge, I'd like to think it made us lucky! I would always be happy to cough up something if it guaranteed a win. I don't suppose it is that easy? We'll find out, sure happy to do it again.

I've been thinking about those good BJ rules in PA after watching the Wizard video. Did Mrs. Wrongway indicate the table minimums were high to compensate for that? The $5 craps min makes me wonder.

Quote: odiousgambit

I've been thinking about those good BJ rules in PA after watching the Wizard video. Did Mrs. Wrongway indicate the table minimums were high to compensate for that? The $5 craps min makes me wonder.

There is ALWAYS a $5 6 deck shoe on the floor. Generally during the day they have 2 $5 shoes but worst case there are multiple $10 shoe and CSMs. On a Friday and Saturday night there tend to be a few more $15 tables but you can still find the $5 and $10 ones.

Quote: GWAE

There is ALWAYS a $5 6 deck shoe on the floor. Generally during the day they have 2 $5 shoes but worst case there are multiple $10 shoe and CSMs. On a Friday and Saturday night there tend to be a few more $15 tables but you can still find the $5 and $10 ones.

Thanks. Pretty remarkable when you think about it. I believe they even offer Surrender, to judge by some articles online.

Quote: odiousgambit

Thanks. Pretty remarkable when you think about it. I believe they even offer Surrender, to judge by some articles online.

Last time I played, surrender was allowed.

Quote: odiousgambit

Thanks. Pretty remarkable when you think about it. I believe they even offer Surrender, to judge by some articles online.

PA Rules are good for sure.

The meadows has

6 deck shoe
surrender (after peaking for BJ on Ace)
S17
Double any 2
split up to 4 times with doubling allowed except Aces
Most tables are shoes but they do have a few CSMs

Quote: Mission146

The WoV East Trivia Challenge questions were as follows, if you can beat 13/20, then you would have won. I'll post the questions now and the answers in a few days.

Looking for those answers, did I miss them?

Quote: Paradigm

Looking for those answers, did I miss them?

Crap, here they are:

Quote: Tomspur

I believe I got 9 right. I'm pretty confident about my answers so even though I don't have the officialy answers yet, I believe 9 it is for me :)

Yep, 9 right. I'll take it!!