South Side Advantage Press (Beyond Counting)
Finally, on Sunday January 26, 2014 (Almost 5 months later) I get this response:
I am sorry that your email having been lost in our pile. Our product has very narrow market and customer such as yourself has no usefulness in it, but thank you for your interest!
Natalija
South Side Advantage Press
Now I really don't care that they don't want to sell me the book. I can get it elsewhere. But I find a few things about this very interesting.
1. 5 months is a long time to have "a pile" and not look through it.
2. You would think they would have someone answering email questions with someone that can form a proper sentence.
3. What gives them (her) the right to decide if the book is useful to me? I didn't ask if she thought the book would be of any use. I asked to purchase one.
My reply to her email was:
"That’s really funny that you would know if I would have any use for it. Congratulations on your psychic skills."
Seems like a great company...
ZCore13
(Sorry, I had to do that just once. I might be the only person that finds Soxfan's, "Hey hey," amusing.)
Quote: Zcore13On Monday September 2, 2013 I sent an email to South Side Advantage Press. They are the publisher of CAA: Beyond Counting by James Grosjean. At that time their website did not allow for purchasing of either of the Beyond Counting books. I asked Are either of the Beyond Counting books available for purchase? I am a Table Games Manager at a small Casino and would be interested in purchasing a copy. I got no response.
Finally, on Sunday January 26, 2014 (Almost 5 months later) I get this response:
I am sorry that your email having been lost in our pile. Our product has very narrow market and customer such as yourself has no usefulness in it, but thank you for your interest!
Natalija
South Side Advantage Press
Now I really don't care that they don't want to sell me the book. I can get it elsewhere. But I find a few things about this very interesting.
1. 5 months is a long time to have "a pile" and not look through it.
2. You would think they would have someone answering email questions with someone that can form a proper sentence.
3. What gives them (her) the right to decide if the book is useful to me? I didn't ask if she thought the book would be of any use. I asked to purchase one.
My reply to her email was:
"That’s really funny that you would know if I would have any use for it. Congratulations on your psychic skills."
Seems like a great company...
ZCore13
You got a reply!!??!! I'm jealous.
I'll answer your question #3 though. It's their book, and they can choose to sell it, or not sell it, to whomever they want. That's what gives them the right. If you had written the book, you'd have that right.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceYou got a reply!!??!! I'm jealous.
I'll answer your question #3 though. It's their book, and they can choose to sell it, or not sell it, to whomever they want. That's what gives them the right. If you had written the book, you'd have that right.
of course they have a right to not sell me the book if they don't want to. That is not the issue here. They said they did not want to sell me the book because it has no use to me.my question was what right do they have to tell me if I have a use for it or not?
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13of course they have a right to not sell me the book if they don't want to. That is not the issue here. They said they did not want to sell me the book because it has no use to me.my question was what right do they have to tell me if I have a use for it or not?
ZCore13
I think that's covered under freedom of speech?
What is your complaint here? You work for a casino. They are not going to sell you the book.
They should have simply said they are not going to sell it without any elaboration.
Quote: MidwestAPSemantics gentlemen, of course they have a 'right' to say Zcore13 doesn't have use for it. I don't think they have a reasonable basis to make a determination that it won't be useful.
They should have simply said they are not going to sell it without any elaboration.
I think that they know full well that he has a use for it, and what that use is, which is exactly why they aren't selling it to him.
ZCore: Did you mention that you work for a casino in your initial email?
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI think that they know full well that he has a use for it, and what that use is, which is exactly why they aren't selling it to him.
ZCore: Did you mention that you work for a casino in your initial email?
Yes, I did. But that's just silly. I can just get one somewhere else. The cost of the book, no matter what the price is not going to put a dent in my Table Games budget. :)
Why make up some dumb excuse that I would have no use for it?
ZCore13
Just saying.
Quote: AcesAndEightsGrosjean is notorious for not selling the book to almost anyone. Why did you mention that you work for a casino? That's literally the worst thing you could have said. You might have stood a chance if you said you were an aspiring AP.
I don't know him or his thoughts on his books secondary sales market. Some people don't like when their stuff is sold for a higher price elsewhere, so I was offering to purchase it direct. It's really no bid deal, just not a very professional reply by them in more than one way.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Yes, I did. But that's just silly. I can just get one somewhere else. The cost of the book, no matter what the price is not going to put a dent in my Table Games budget. :)
Why make up some dumb excuse that I would have no use for it?
ZCore13
So pay the extra price. Did you really think that they would sell you the book after you told them that you worked for a casino?
The book is actually quite hard to find (I'm talking about CAA, not the original). I've looked around. I have not seen it on ebay or CL or amazon. I did get one private offer to sell me a copy, but the price was around $4000 which seemed a little steep to me.
Quote: Zcore13just not a very professional reply by them in more than one way.
You have to understand who you are talking to. They are not professional book publishers, they are professional gamblers. They don't care about customer service, and their goal is not to sell as many books as possible.
Honestly, I'm surprised that the reply you got was as polite as it was.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Detailed-notes-on-the-2009-James-Grosjean-book-Beyond-Counting-Exhibit-CAA-/290922970307?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item43bc5c3cc3
Ah Ebay, con man's paradise !
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceSo pay the extra price. Did you really think that they would sell you the book after you told them that you worked for a casino?
The book is actually quite hard to find (I'm talking about CAA, not the original). I've looked around. I have not seen it on ebay or CL or amazon. I did get one private offer to sell me a copy, but the price was around $4000 which seemed a little steep to me.
Actually, yes, I did think they would sell one to me. Like I said, I can get one. It's not that hard. I asked them for either of the versions. Their are 3 original used Beyond Counting books for sale right now on Amazon. One for $995, one for $1,898 and one for $1,899. One new one for $2,000.
In reality, there is more value between here, Wizard of Odds, APHeat and Discount Gambling, than from the book I'm sure. I've seen portions of the book and descriptions. To me the $4,000 is way steep knowing about all the great information on the mentioned and other sites.
ZCore13
Quote: BuzzardOr just take the easy way :
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Detailed-notes-on-the-2009-James-Grosjean-book-Beyond-Counting-Exhibit-CAA-/290922970307?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item43bc5c3cc3
Ah Ebay, con man's paradise !
Meh. I saw that. That's not the book. I'm not paying $250 for some guy's notes.
Grosjean's writing has A LOT of subtlety in it. I learn something new every time I read Beyond Counting. I don't believe for a second that this guy's capture even a small fraction of that.
Quote: Zcore13Actually, yes, I did think they would sell one to me. Like I said, I can get one. It's not that hard. I asked them for either of the versions. Their are 3 original used Beyond Counting books for sale right now on Amazon. One for $995, one for $1,898 and one for $1,899. One new one for $2,000.
Yes, that is the original Beyond Counting. That one is not hard to get. Although the price has gone up a bit... when I got my copy on Amazon it was only about $500. Looks like I made a good investment after all! Not that I would ever sell it.
Quote:In reality, there is more value between here, Wizard of Odds, APHeat and Discount Gambling, than from the book I'm sure. I've seen portions of the book and descriptions. To me the $4,000 is way steep knowing about all the great information on the mentioned and other sites.
Not even close. Don't get me wrong, these are great sites, and I read them all, it's not the same. There is stuff in the original Beyond Counting that I've never seen published anywhere else.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceMeh. I saw that. That's not the book. I'm not paying $250 for some guy's notes.
Grosjean's writing has A LOT of subtlety in it. I learn something new every time I read Beyond Counting. I don't believe for a second that this guy's capture even a small fraction of that.
Don't be surprised if the notes are almost verbatim. I sure would not be.
Quote: BuzzardDon't be surprised if the notes are almost verbatim. I sure would not be.
I would be. I'm sure that Grosjean has bought a copy, and I'm sure that he would sue the guy if it really did infringe his copyright.
Clearly the demand for the book is there. Why not fire off another press run of 1000 books, price them at $300 each, and make a quick $300,000?
However, I also want to say that if I were Grosjean, I wouldn't sell it to anyone who worked in a casino, either. After the way casinos have treated him, illegally detaining him, and treating him like he is a criminal, I wouldn't take a dime of their money.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI'm sure that he would sue the guy if it really did infringe his copyright.
Not if the guy has no money. lol...
By the time Grosjean could bring anybody to court, some other scumbag would be selling that book. And just try and get Ebay to stop selling such shit. Hollywood can't, what makes you think Grosjean can ?
If shut down on Ebay lots of other places to sell counterfeit goods :
http://www.businessinsider.com/ebay-seller-threat-2013-1
His book has a limited market, so Grosjean just ignores this stuff, I would imagine.
I always see Jane Fonda 1982 Workout DVD's all over the place or on somebodies own website. Was even listed as another source on Amazon. Was never released as a DVd NEVER !
Check Amazon, no direct like now, but the links there lead to bootleg listing.
Probably the personal website got shut down when Jane's new DVDs came out, but still easy to find elsewhere.
Just stating facts. I am always HONEST. The only bootleg Janes I sold were VHS. LOL
Quote: Beethoven9thNot if the guy has no money. lol...
Oh, sure he would. Not for the money; to get the guy to stop.
I am fairly sure that the point of this book is not to make money. If that was the goal, he would sell it to people who wanted to buy it.
Quote: BuzzardI always see Jane Fonda 1982 Workout DVD's all over the place or on somebodies own website. Was even listed as another source on Amazon. Was never released as a DVd NEVER !
Forget football props, this is Buzz's REAL area of expertise :)
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceOh, sure he would. Not for the money; to get the guy to stop.
I am fairly sure that the point of this book is not to make money. If that was the goal, he would sell it to people who wanted to buy it.
I agree with your second statement, but regarding the first, Grosjean isn't going to waste his time & money suing some individual punk. Like Buzzard said, I doubt that he will succeed where the deep pockets of Hollywood and the music industry have failed.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceOh, sure he would. Not for the money; to get the guy to stop.
I am fairly sure that the point of this book is not to make money. If that was the goal, he would sell it to people who wanted to buy it.
Hey, if he brings a light to the fact, then other scumbags will start selling the book. As it is this guy has sold 14 and made over 5 grand. Who said crime does not pay ? If the guy is careful, he can even prevail in court. Nigerian courts always favor the Nigerian.
Best way to sell a classic VHS film on DVD , if not available ? Sell a VHS tape along with bootleg DVD copy. An owner is allowed to so that.
And with Nook and stuff, can hardly make any money from books now.
How the hell is a man supposed to make an honest living ? ? ?
Quote: BuzzardHated when VHS went out of style, now CD's are going away. And movies downloaded onto computer, tablet, dvd, etc.
And with Nook and stuff, can hardly make any money from books now.
How the hell is a man supposed to make an honest living ? ? ?
Get on unemployment. You'll make more money not working then working. Apply to jobs you are not qualified for just to satisfy requirements to keep the govt cheese rolling.
Quote: BuzzardHey, if he brings a light to the fact, then other scumbags will start selling the book. As it is this guy has sold 14 and made over 5 grand. Who said crime does not pay ? If the guy is careful, he can even prevail in court. Nigerian courts always favor the Nigerian.
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Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI'll have you know that I just won the Nigerian lottery! Which is especially amazing since I didn't even buy a ticket. My teachers in school were right; I am really am lucky compared to all the people over there.
Anyway they are going to send me a check for $10,001,000. The prize is only $10,000,000 though so I'm going to send them back $1000.
You should publish a book on how to win lotteries, but only sell them to people that have proper credentials. Also you might want to scour ebay for people selling notes from your book.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI'll have you know that I just won the Nigerian lottery! Which is especially amazing since I didn't even buy a ticket. My teachers in school were right; I am really am lucky compared to all the people over there.
Anyway they are going to send me a check for $10,001,000. The prize is only $10,000,000 though so I'm going to send them back $1000.
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ZCore13
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