Perdition
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January 7th, 2014 at 9:27:25 AM permalink
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Ibeatyouraces
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January 7th, 2014 at 9:30:51 AM permalink
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teddys
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January 7th, 2014 at 6:00:15 PM permalink
Looks like she was playing a $100 or $500 machine, so a $90k jackpot isn't THAT extraordinary.

She'll likely lose it all back. Incidentally, I saw a woman playing the $500 machine at Horseshoe Cleveland the other day. Every pay is a handpay. I really, really don't understand the appeal.
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Ibeatyouraces
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January 7th, 2014 at 6:07:19 PM permalink
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Mission146
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January 7th, 2014 at 6:27:25 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

One of the guys here plays the 10 play, $2 Ultimate X a lot. A few weeks ago he had hand pays on 5 of the 8 machines at once.



Have you ever been able to vulture free multipliers at that particular denomination? That'd be pretty friggin' sweet!
Vultures can't be choosers.
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January 7th, 2014 at 6:30:10 PM permalink
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Mission146
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January 7th, 2014 at 6:40:36 PM permalink
At least you have Ultimate X at your home casino!!! LOL

I don't know that the game has a paytable low enough to be in accordance with WV law, I am being 100% literal with that statement.
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tringlomane
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January 7th, 2014 at 11:40:16 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

At least you have Ultimate X at your home casino!!! LOL

I don't know that the game has a paytable low enough to be in accordance with WV law, I am being 100% literal with that statement.



Quote: Mission146

At least you have Ultimate X at your home casino!!! LOL

I don't know that the game has a paytable low enough to be in accordance with WV law, I am being 100% literal with that statement.



You are correct, sir.

Worst Ultimate X game that can be offered is 6/5 JoB (95.57% for 3 lines).

http://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/tables/ultimate-x/

http://media.igt.com/marketing/PromotionalLiterature/GamePromoLit_13C06-25A61.pdf

And West Virginia really, really sucks for their garbage max payout rules. I just came back from another trip to a 100% longterm max payback state, but that's at least playable!! Played a 101%+ quarter progressive while there...did not get a $2500 Royal or 4 Deuces ($500) while trying....blah

Does anyone really play video poker in WV?
Mission146
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January 8th, 2014 at 12:05:08 AM permalink
Tringlomane,

I very rarely see anyone play Video Poker, and you're more likely to see it in the parlors than you are in the actual casino. Honestly, most of the multi-game machines only have 1-3 Video Poker selections because there are so few games that return poorly enough to be in accordance with State Law.

Anyway, I do consider Video Poker one of the better games you'll find there (because of the Max base return) when there are no slots/Keno Progressives in positive territory and no bonuses to vulture, and that's because of the double-down feature which returns 100%, in the long-run. In fact, the Spielo GTECH machines aren't even random on the Double-Up, but it is still 0% HE, they specifically state that the dealer gets a card and the player chooses from two cards, one of the cards the player can choose will always win and one will always lose.

Poor old guy there once thought he had the advantage play of a lifetime because the machine actually, "Draws," the dealer's card (after an initial double-up win) before the player selects a card, so obviously, he figured he'd only play it more than once when the dealer had a seven or less, until I showed him what was on the rule screen. It can be a King, it can be a three, doesn't matter, you're always 50% to beat the dealer.

The Game King double up function operates as it is supposed to with the RNG picking a random card (that can be high or low, the GTECH will never be the highest or lowest) and then the player has four cards from which to choose his card.

The machines also auto-hold, and sometimes the auto-holds (on borderline situations) are not correct. This once led me to question whether they are using Class-II VP machines in a State where Class-III is legal, but they are not. I know this because I tossed a dealt pair of Jacks in JoB, as an experiment, once, and it was not replaced with a winning hand of any kind, no genie or anything.

It's just a State that absolutely blows, and is exceptionally greedy. The tax rate on slots is 42% in WV, but the, "Effective tax rate," is 57%, according to Jim Simms, previous GM of Wheeling Island so think about this, only using the 42%:

You have casinos all over this country where, for a $5 bet, a player can probably reasonably expect something, even on a slot machine, north of 96%, sound about right for a $5 single-line? Keep in mind that there are new machines at Wheeling Island that can have a Max Bet of $15 ($5 Quick Hits Platinum) and two machines (Must-Hit Progressives) with a Max Bet of $25.

Okay, so if the jurisdictional maximum Base Pay is 95%, then you could have 15 * .05 * .42 = $0.315

Which means that the State of West Virginia, in the long-run, takes 31.5 cents for every pull of that machine at Max Bet, at a minimum, and even a minimum of 10.5 cents of every slot bet at $5 on a single-line game!!!

It's pretty crazy, and I'd boycott it, except:

1.) It is, by a good measure, the closest place to me.

2.) I get a good few advantage slot plays via vulturing.

3.) The Video Keno is actually about what you'd get anywhere else, even though it legally only has to return 80%.
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AlanMendelson
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January 8th, 2014 at 2:00:58 AM permalink
A couple of years ago at Rincon a woman from San Diego hit the $5 double double bonus video poker progressive for about $54-thou, and kept playing on the same machine and hit another royal about three hours later for $22-thou.

And then there is my son who hit FIVE $1 royals at Caesars in a 24 hour period... and came home with nothing.

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