WoV East, MidWest, Appalachia Get-Together
Quote: odiousgambitI thought about that, but as far as I know, it is the correct definition of a pass. I'd feel bad about somebody who made a bunch of his points getting beat by the above, but wouldn't if no player scored many points. Getting back to that thing about every shooter sucking.
In any case, it does seem that somebody with a good hand always has to make his points, or doesnt wind up with a hand worth bragging about. If I thought that such was observational bias ... I don't ... I'd be concerned enough to change the parameters.
My first $3k win in Vegas occurred at RIO, right before we were leaving to go to the airport. The shooter made an 8 point after about 8 throws, set point two on the 10, and never made the 10. But he rolled for 40 minutes! Never threw a 7 for the entire time, until the 7 out! So, I have seen it happen, but one time out of a few hundred sessions, so I agree, not likely to impact our game.
Here's What I Have So Far for Playing Craps at 1:00
Mission146
GWAE
RaleighCraps
OneNickelMiracle
Wudged
OdiousGambit
GWAE
Teddys
AZDuffman
Mosca
Quote: MoscaSure, I'll play. I'm not sure for how long, craps has been an... unkind... mistress.
Just make it a fling, not a relationship. I'm starting out with $100 total, $5 PL, Single Odds, and then I'm going to drop to no Odds when I am down to $50. I'd really like to play for the full 2.75 hours since I am also one of the people in charge of hand-tracking for OdiousGambit's bet. I'll almost definitely lose, since I am not walking on a win.
If I get down to $25, I'll probably only bet when I have the dice.
How many people do they want to give us the whole table? Most of the tables I play at get uncomfortable once you get to 6 on each side.
By my count we are at 10, so that would be pretty close to a full table. Certainly more than one side can hold.
I don't think we need to stay as a 'closed' table though. Once all of the WoV players that want to play have secured a spot, I have no problem with others joining our table. And it WILL HAPPEN. Especially if we seem to be having a good time.
And with a mix of DP and PL players, and the fact that we all 'know' each other, I am not expecting the DPs to be all that reserved on the 7 outs. :-) So, players on another table may hear a commotion all the time, and just assume it is all Right way winners.
I'm a little more worried that the casino is going to be upset if we are down to 4 players after 30 minutes. Hopefully we will have some good rolls, and convince the Darksiders to play the game the way it was intended to be played! PL bet with Odds and $64 Across.<G>
Quote: RaleighCrapsMission,
How many people do they want to give us the whole table? Most of the tables I play at get uncomfortable once you get to 6 on each side.
By my count we are at 10, so that would be pretty close to a full table. Certainly more than one side can hold.
I don't think we need to stay as a 'closed' table though. Once all of the WoV players that want to play have secured a spot, I have no problem with others joining our table. And it WILL HAPPEN. Especially if we seem to be having a good time.
And with a mix of DP and PL players, and the fact that we all 'know' each other, I am not expecting the DPs to be all that reserved on the 7 outs. :-) So, players on another table may hear a commotion all the time, and just assume it is all Right way winners.
I'm a little more worried that the casino is going to be upset if we are down to 4 players after 30 minutes. Hopefully we will have some good rolls, and convince the Darksiders to play the game the way it was intended to be played! PL bet with Odds and $64 Across.<G>
A.) I think that they would want six per side for us to start.
B.) I don't care if we start as a closed table or not, I just want us to have a Reserved table so everyone with our crew can start out together. I don't care if others play with us after that.
C.) I'm not, they could have refused to have another table open, if they wanted to. I simply made a suggestion to them. Besides, I think most of us will play for a bit, especially if we bet PROPORTIONATE TO HOW LONG WE WANT TO BE AT THE TABLE. They are offering a negative expectation game, so I also don't think they have any reason to care if we bet as intelligently as possible, which means PL/DP w/Odds (or not) and NOTHING across....lol
Quote: Mission146I'd really like to play for the full 2.75 hours
I think we'll have good witness coverage for that stretch, don't worry about it. After dinner Craps players may be starved for witnesses. I should be one then for part of that time, assuming the carnage on my bankroll wasn't record setting.
Quote: odiousgambitI think we'll have good witness coverage for that stretch, don't worry about it. After dinner Craps players may be starved for witnesses. I should be one then for part of that time, assuming the carnage on my bankroll wasn't record setting.
Well, since it is supposed to be about being a good shooter, as opposed to having the biggest bankroll, perhaps you would consider limiting the contest to the time up til the dinner break. That way the winner can be acknowledged at dinner?
Quote: RaleighCrapsWell, since it is supposed to be about being a good shooter, as opposed to having the biggest bankroll, perhaps you would consider limiting the contest to the time up til the dinner break. That way the winner can be acknowledged at dinner?
Well, alright. Done.
Quote: odiousgambitWell, alright. Done.
Great. This just guaranteed me to have nothing but PSO before dinner, but a monster roll right after the dinner break. I can live with that.
I spoke to the Table Games scheduling manager, James, just an hour ago and he said that he's going to put it down for a table to be just opening up at 1:00, so we can just kind of mill around until that table opens.
I'm waiting for the Terrace to call me back on group seating. I hesitate to ask for a group discount because they will likely want it on one bill, and some of us will be using the WebPass coupons. Those of us using the coupons are likely better off with those than a group discount.
Quote: RaleighCrapsGreat. This just guaranteed me to have nothing but PSO before dinner, but a monster roll right after the dinner break. I can live with that.
No doubt!
Yellow highlighted conditions added.
The deal: $25 award to the shooter with the most passes in a hand; Pierce, RaleighCraps, and Teddy will be acceptable as witnesses in addition to myself of course, should they agree to do so. That group has already established credibility with me and everyone should see why.
A hand's length will be defined the same way the casino does, that is, you roll until you 7-out, then you pass the dice to next player and that is one hand. 7s and 11s on the come out will count as a pass, as well as making 4,5,6,8,9,10 - just the common sense thing of a winner meaning one pass. Participating players should speak up at each pass, saying something like "that's 2 passes, are you with me?" or similar. If a player has the stamina to give himself better chances by staying at the table and playing longer and getting more chances at a good hand, that will be considered fair play.
It's +ev to all but me, since players put nothing up. Winning player has to do it on that Sunday between 12:30 and the time we all break for dinner with a witness present. It will be unavoidable that some people have more chances than others in this short window; in fact someone having a good hand might hog the time. Complaints on this matter will not be considered. If there are ties, I'll split the money, but see above.
Quote: teddysThat's good. I hope somebody can come up with more "games." I'm not creative enough. I need them so I don't go off the rails and start betting pass/come with max odds on every roll. (Ask Mission about that!)
I got your back teddy. Will yank you to the darkside of place 6/8 and Buy 4/10 play. Less bankroll requirements, and not quite as volatile. ;-)
Never! :)Quote: RaleighCrapsI got your back teddy. Will yank you to the darkside of place 6/8 and Buy 4/10 play. Less bankroll requirements, and not quite as volatile. ;-)
Quote: teddysThat's good. I hope somebody can come up with more "games." I'm not creative enough. I need them so I don't go off the rails and start betting pass/come with max odds on every roll. (Ask Mission about that!)
I think I'm going to bet Table Minimum AND only on my rolls, with OG's offer it is +EV, so why turn an advantage play into a negative proposition?
J/K
I might not take Odds, though, don't want the volatility, want to stay at the table as long as possible.
Quote: Mission146I'm sending PM"s to everyone who hasn't responded to the playing Craps or not question. Meadows wants to know. If we can 100% fill a table, then they might specifically wait until we are there and ready to open it. At this time, they are just making sure to have an extra table opening at 1:00. I want to try to get one actually reserved.
Here's What I Have So Far for Playing Craps at 1:00
Mission146
GWAE
RaleighCraps
OneNickelMiracle
Wudged
OdiousGambit
GWAE
Teddys
AZDuffman
Mosca
Hey I know I am fat but not fat enough to occupy 2 spots on a craps table.
or am I, maybe I should measure that.
Sorry about that!
By the way:
It looks like we are going to have between 15-20 total people at the get together, so I wanted to call The Terrace about seating for our group given I know exactly when we will be there. I was informed that it could be difficult to seat us together with the way it is laid out, and that it is a very busy time of day for The Terrace, but they might be able to hold off a server section for us.
The person I spoke to was one of the supervisors, so I need to call back tomorrow and speak to the Manager. The reason is that they have a separate room we might be able to rent, and that can come with food, no food, limited menu, or we could order from the menu straight up. I might see how much that room is and go it alone (if it is cheap) or we might take a vote to see if we all want to throw in on it.
We'll see. The only person who can discuss that with me is not available until tomorrow, so we'll see how that goes.
Mission146
Vendman1
RaleighCraps
OneNickelMiracle
Wudged
OdiousGambit
GWAE
Teddys
AZDuffman
Mosca
Quote: Mission146LOL
Sorry about that!
By the way:
It looks like we are going to have between 15-20 total people at the get together, so I wanted to call The Terrace about seating for our group given I know exactly when we will be there. I was informed that it could be difficult to seat us together with the way it is laid out, and that it is a very busy time of day for The Terrace, but they might be able to hold off a server section for us.
The person I spoke to was one of the supervisors, so I need to call back tomorrow and speak to the Manager. The reason is that they have a separate room we might be able to rent, and that can come with food, no food, limited menu, or we could order from the menu straight up. I might see how much that room is and go it alone (if it is cheap) or we might take a vote to see if we all want to throw in on it.
We'll see. The only person who can discuss that with me is not available until tomorrow, so we'll see how that goes.
4:00 PM is their busy time? I find that to be improbable. Perhaps people who have been there at 4:00 on a Sunday can confirm. Hopefully the manager will be more interested in our business than the supervisor to whom you spoke.
I am opposed in principle to giving them money for a room, so we can then give them more money for food. I guess if they are turning people away they don't need to care about 20 more paying customers. But, I'd sooner bet they should be falling all over themselves to make room for 20 more paying customers.
I'll go along with whatever is decided, but I think paying them for a room is bad business. Do you have a second option you can use to negotiate an all or nothing approach with The Terrace?
Quote: RaleighCrapsQuote: Mission146LOL
Sorry about that!
By the way:
It looks like we are going to have between 15-20 total people at the get together, so I wanted to call The Terrace about seating for our group given I know exactly when we will be there. I was informed that it could be difficult to seat us together with the way it is laid out, and that it is a very busy time of day for The Terrace, but they might be able to hold off a server section for us.
The person I spoke to was one of the supervisors, so I need to call back tomorrow and speak to the Manager. The reason is that they have a separate room we might be able to rent, and that can come with food, no food, limited menu, or we could order from the menu straight up. I might see how much that room is and go it alone (if it is cheap) or we might take a vote to see if we all want to throw in on it.
We'll see. The only person who can discuss that with me is not available until tomorrow, so we'll see how that goes.
4:00 PM is their busy time? I find that to be improbable. Perhaps people who have been there at 4:00 on a Sunday can confirm. Hopefully the manager will be more interested in our business than the supervisor to whom you spoke.
I am opposed in principle to giving them money for a room, so we can then give them more money for food. I guess if they are turning people away they don't need to care about 20 more paying customers. But, I'd sooner bet they should be falling all over themselves to make room for 20 more paying customers.
I'll go along with whatever is decided, but I think paying them for a room is bad business. Do you have a second option you can use to negotiate an all or nothing approach with The Terrace?
I think the problem is the staff more than the amount of people. The last time I was there on a Sunday they were not busy at all. If business dictates that they are not busy on a Sunday then they may only have part of the dining room open with only 3 or 4 servers. On a busy Saturday night they may have 7 or 8 servers. So even if there are not a lot of people eating they may not have availability in the entire dining room. Maybe the manager would care more about the business of 20 people and allow us to be served in the "closed" part of the room but who knows.
Today I heard a radio ad that said New player promotion at the Meadows. It said the first $250 is on us. It gave no other details so I don't know if they are doing some kind of rebate or if you have a chance to win when you sign up. I also don't know if it is a limited time promo. I can't find anything about it on their website.
On another note, I see they have a bowling alley there, apparently at $3.95 per game on a Sunday. This would be my AP, if anyone else in the group is a serious kegeler.
Quote: RaleighCraps
4:00 PM is their busy time? I find that to be improbable. Perhaps people who have been there at 4:00 on a Sunday can confirm. Hopefully the manager will be more interested in our business than the supervisor to whom you spoke.
I am opposed in principle to giving them money for a room, so we can then give them more money for food. I guess if they are turning people away they don't need to care about 20 more paying customers. But, I'd sooner bet they should be falling all over themselves to make room for 20 more paying customers.
I'll go along with whatever is decided, but I think paying them for a room is bad business. Do you have a second option you can use to negotiate an all or nothing approach with The Terrace?
Personally, and I understand this is short notice, but I am not opposed to calling the Manager tomorrow, telling her we want a specific section of the restaurant. I really have no problem with putting nearby eating locations up for a vote if they refuse. The only exception would be if she'll let us have the room for $50, or less, along with a dedicated waitress. That's only $2.50 apiece, or something, which is reasonable.
It really depends, but if this "Room," rents for the amount that I imagine it does, I'm not even going to put that on the table.
As far as voting goes, we'll just look at nearby restaurants, and if The Terrace gets the vote again, so be it.
Quote: GWAE
I think the problem is the staff more than the amount of people. The last time I was there on a Sunday they were not busy at all. If business dictates that they are not busy on a Sunday then they may only have part of the dining room open with only 3 or 4 servers. On a busy Saturday night they may have 7 or 8 servers. So even if there are not a lot of people eating they may not have availability in the entire dining room. Maybe the manager would care more about the business of 20 people and allow us to be served in the "closed" part of the room but who knows.
That's not what the first girl seemed to imply, she seemed to imply that it was a seating problem such that they could not get us all together, even with advance notice, because of other people that would already be there due to them being extremely busy. What she said was not ambiguous, whether or not it was true, I have no idea, but it was not ambiguous.
Quote: RaleighCraps
On another note, I see they have a bowling alley there, apparently at $3.95 per game on a Sunday. This would be my AP, if anyone else in the group is a serious kegeler.
Huge rip-off, doesn't include shoes, I can get you a bowling game for half of that.
Quote: GWAEMission, since you like to make calls I have another one for you if you so chose.
Today I heard a radio ad that said New player promotion at the Meadows. It said the first $250 is on us. It gave no other details so I don't know if they are doing some kind of rebate or if you have a chance to win when you sign up. I also don't know if it is a limited time promo. I can't find anything about it on their website.
Two-Part loss rebate.
If you are a New Member with the Player's Club you will immediately get $10 Free Play, after that, you can lose anywhere from $50-$250 and you will get half one week later and the other half two weeks later.
I'm going to call again tomorrow and confirm, you always want to talk to more than one person to make sure the details are right.
Quote: onenickelmiracleWe don't have to have 20 people all at one table and can work with 10 at two tables etc. They might slap an 18% gratuity but it's expected and acceptable.
It's not about one table, she's saying they might not even get us in the same area of the restaurant!
Quote: onenickelmiracleWe don't have to have 20 people all at one table and can work with 10 at two tables etc. They might slap an 18% gratuity but it's expected and acceptable.
I believe there is some kind of weird rule now where restaurants are not allowed to do that.
ETA: I just looked it up. They are allowed to do it but any tax that is listed on the receipt is subject to tax. The server also does not get the money at the end of their shift. They have to wait until their paycheck to get it. This does not apply to a tip that is written in on a check.
Quote: Mission146It's not about one table, she's saying they might not even get us in the same area of the restaurant!
Well realistically, it is hard to hold a conversation with 19 other people all at the same time. So.....
Quote: Mission146Here's What I Have So Far for Playing Craps at 1:00
Mission146
Vendman1
RaleighCraps
OneNickelMiracle
Wudged
OdiousGambit
GWAE
Teddys
AZDuffman
Mosca
So rather than bother all the Craps experts/players with constant questions like "Hey What just happened ?", is anyone else interested in a low limit Blackjack table ?
Quote: Mission146Yeah, but I was hoping we'd be able to do the Trivia Quiz there after dinner.
Have a quiz table. I could skip it, sitting at another, others may feel the same. I'd enjoy myself with the quiz, but I am terrible at them and wouldnt want to take a spot.
Quote: teddysI'm all for fun side bets/side action and games, otherwise I will just be betting $5 with 10x odds every roll and either getting rich or losing my ass....:)
Do we know for sure that the table will offer 10x odds?
Quote: odiousgambitDo we know for sure that the table will offer 10x odds?
I can't say 100% for sure but 10x is standard there so I can't imagine that they would remove it just because we want an entire table.
Mission146
Vendman1
RaleighCraps
OneNickelMiracle
Wudged
OdiousGambit
GWAE
Teddys
AZDuffman
Mosca
MWalz9
(Three PM's Unopened, DRussell0208, KeyserSoze, Wrongway)
Quote: Mission146Personally, and I understand this is short notice, but I am not opposed to calling the Manager tomorrow, telling her we want a specific section of the restaurant. I really have no problem with putting nearby eating locations up for a vote if they refuse. The only exception would be if she'll let us have the room for $50, or less, along with a dedicated waitress. That's only $2.50 apiece, or something, which is reasonable.
It really depends, but if this "Room," rents for the amount that I imagine it does, I'm not even going to put that on the table.
As far as voting goes, we'll just look at nearby restaurants, and if The Terrace gets the vote again, so be it.
I agree, a nominal charge isn't a big deal. Thanks for all the work you are putting in on this meet up.
Quote: RaleighCrapsI agree, a nominal charge isn't a big deal. Thanks for all the work you are putting in on this meet up.
No problem!
I just called and the person I need to speak to is in a meeting again. They must spend more time talking about running a restaurant than they spend actually running one.
Quote: Mission146I just called and the person I need to speak to is in a meeting again. They must spend more time talking about running a restaurant than they spend actually running one.
A good friend of mine has a favorite story in this vein: he was trying and trying to reach a manufacturer's representative. Epic fail. The rep had made himself totally unavailable for three days. Finally his phone calls are returned and, without a trace of irony, the rep explained he had been tied up in a meeting that was about the imperative of improving customer service!!
Quote: odiousgambitA good friend of mine has a favorite story in this vein: he was trying and trying to reach a manufacturer's representative. Epic fail. The rep had made himself totally unavailable for three days. Finally his phone calls are returned and, without a trace of irony, the rep explained he had been tied up in a meeting that was about the imperative of improving customer service!!
As much as I would love to craft a meaningful response to your post, I'm in a PM meeting with Face, Wizard, JB and BeachBumBabs deciding how best for Administrative Staff to respond to Members' posts.
Please direct your post to me at a later time.
Quote: Mission146No problem!
I just called and the person I need to speak to is in a meeting again. They must spend more time talking about running a restaurant than they spend actually running one.
Greetings!
My personal opinion is as follows:
______ the Terrace Café. (Fill in the blank with whatever you like)
I personally suggest that we eat off-site, if not completely change the casino that we choose to go to. Actually, it's probably a little late to change casinos, and the Table Games Scheduling Supervisor, James, has been nothing short of fantastic to us.
They do have a $250 slot loss rebate going on, if you live out of town, PM me and I'll tell you about it.
Here's the deal with The Terrace Café.
As you guys know, I wanted to get us all seated together, or perhaps rent a little room that sits off of the café for a reasonable fee, (or even better, promise that the waitress would get a very nice tip) so I have been calling there to orchestrate this. The chronicle of my calls to them is as follows:
2/21/2014-3:30p.m.-Called and made inquiry, was told by Rochelle that I would have to speak to Jo as Jo is the only person who can handle renting the little room or the meeting room, was told Jo would be available at 5:00p.m.
2/21/2014-5:00p.m.-Called and was told that Jo was in another meeting and would be available at 6:00p.m.
2/21/2014-6:00p.m.-Called and was told that Jo was still in aforementioned meeting, told to give phone number and Jo would call by 7:00p.m.
2/21/2014-8:00p.m.-Called and explained that Jo did not call, was told Jo had left for the day. Asked if anyone else could "Answer the simple question, how much does the room cost," told only Jo is allowed to discuss that. Was told to call back today.
2/22/2014-3:30p.m.-Called and was told Jo is in a meeting, call back at 5:00p.m.
2/22/2014-5:00p.m.-Called and was told Jo is still in a meeting, restaurant will be busy afterward, please call at 9:00p.m.
2/22/2014-8:50p.m.-Called and was placed on hold for Jo, someone put Rochelle (who can't discuss this) on the phone, Rochelle went to get Jo, someone (?) came and hung up the phone ten minutes later/
2/22/2014-9:00p.m.-Called and was told restaurant is extremely busy. Jo cannot discuss this today, nobody else can discuss it at all, and Jo is off Sundays and Mondays, ACTUALLY TOLD JO WILL FORGET TO CALL ON TUESDAY, SO PLEASE CALL BACK TUESDAY!!!
We don't need this. Certainly there is something else we can use these WebPass Points for and then we can take our dinner business off-site, I would like to solicit recommendations for any restaurant within twenty miles of The Meadows within 48 hours and put the matter to a new vote. I'm sure someone out there wants a dinner party of 16-20.
I hereby NOMINATE SAUCE:
http://saucepgh.com/bars/gallery.cfm?id=2908
It's 14 minutes away in nearby Bridgeville, the burgers are great, and they have a nice little backroom that Janine (I called) just said we can have at no charge.
Again, this is just a vote, so I'm going to put The Terrace back up, and if it wins again, so be it.
By the way, someone with no Player's Card should be the spinner for the slot pool, that way the investors can collect on the loss rebate.
Quote: beachbumbabsI think you should find a lounge area and have box lunches catered by an outside venue, rather than moving the party. Tell mgmt their stupid restaurant was unable to meet your needs.
They have no hotel, so I'd be surprised if they would allow it.
I think if we are going to leave to eat we should push the dinner back a little? Maybe leave the casino at 4pm to meet at 4:30.
I am fine with whatever we chose to do so I am going to hold my vote till I see what other peoples opinions are.
Sauce has a pretty decent Turkey Devonshire, a regional dish, an open faced sandwich of turkey, bacon, tomato, and cheese sauce, on toast. They also have an awesome mac-n-cheese. (I haven't eaten there, but my good friend Cliff, a well respected poster at Roadfood under the name buffetbuster, has. He is a world class mangeur whose opinion can be relied on 100%.)
There is also a wing place called Burg that is supposed to be good.
My only reservation is dragging Mrs Mosca away from the slots, if she has any money left. If she's out of money it won't be a problem, but.
ETA: Yes, if we leave push dinner to a bit later. It all likelihood we would leave for home after dinner and trivia.
Quote: GWAEthat really is a shame. I have never been treated anything but nice there but I have also never dealt with this person. I think you should email meadcustomerservice@meadowsgaming.com and let them know that you have a group of 20+ that were planning on spending the entire day gambling, eating, then gambling some more. Now because of the treatment they are going to lose 20+ players who have to leave the facility to eat and most of them will not return after dinner.
I think if we are going to leave to eat we should push the dinner back a little? Maybe leave the casino at 4pm to meet at 4:30.
I am fine with whatever we chose to do so I am going to hold my vote till I see what other peoples opinions are.
It's quite possible that I will send such an E-Mail at some point tonight. I almost don't want that Jo to get in trouble because they give me the impression that this is an unusual request, but even then, don't tell me to call at all of these different times if I can't talk to her.
Anyway, I really don't want to link any complaints to the group when we come in there, so I'm going to wait until after the event is all said and done before E-Mailing them.
I'm good with 4:30, and actually, I was thinking that maybe we should kind of band together and take as few cars as possible if we eat off-site. For example, four people who plan on going back to the casino could ride with me because I will take them back, I'm not going back at that point, but it's on my way.
