Healthcare and Political Insults

Quote: S2baker

Many more people are now getting access to private health insurance that they couldn't get or afford before.

Actually, no they are not. Prior to Obamacare, if you had a preexisting condition, then you could get coverage through the state pool. Each state had the high risk pool. Everyone that applied was excepted, regardless of health. The premiums were essentially the same as what Obamacare is currently charging.
The difference is, the previous insurance coverage was better. It's because you had better access to specialists, oncologists, and cancer treatment centers.

Now many employers are hiring more part time employees, rather than fulltime employees, to avoid the outrageous cost of Obamacare.

-Keyser

Quote: Keyser

Actually, no they are not. Prior to Obamacare, if you had a preexisting condition, then you could get coverage through the state pool. Everyone that applied was excepted regardless of health. The premiums were essentially the same as what Obamacare is now charging.

Does "the state pool" have a link? I would like to investigate this "the state pool" and see if it's truly available to all Americans with pre-existing conditions at premiums that are the same as Obamacare.

Quote: Keyser

It's because you had better access to specialists, oncologists, and cancer treatment centers.

You can't know what "the state pool" covered and what the many choices available under Obamacare cover so I'm calling BS on that.

Each state has/had a website to the state pool. And yes, it is/was available to everyone with a preexisting condition. Now that Obamacare is law, I suspect that the state pool has been wrecked. I had relatives that were in the state pool due preexisting conditions.

Quote: S2baker

You can't know what "the state pool" covered and what the many choices available under Obamacare cover so I'm calling BS on that.

Actually I do know what the state pool covered and I do know the short falls of Obamacare. It's rather naïve of someone like you, a low information voter, to have made such an assumption.

Quote: Keyser

Each state has/had a website to the state pool. And yes, it is/was available to everyone with a preexisting condition. Now that Obamacare is law, I suspect that the state pool has been wrecked. I had relatives that were in the state pool due.

Any of the 50 links will do, I'd like to check it out please. Not that I don't trust you.

Quote: S2dbaker

Any of the 50 links will do, I'd like to check it out please.

Feel free to do your own homework. Start with Google. This is the problem with you "low information voters". You expect everyone to do your research rather than studying the issues on your own. This is why the country is in this mess!

http://www.mhip.org/

Agency Profile

What is the Missouri Health Insurance Pool?

The Missouri Health Insurance Pool (MHIP) is a nonprofit organization, established in 1991, providing comprehensive medical and drug coverage to Missourians who can't get health insurance in the standard market because of health conditions, exhaustion of COBRA benefits, or other lack of availability.

Missouri Department of Insurance, Financial Institutions, and Professional Registration MHIP operates according to legislation enacted by the Missouri General Assembly in 1991. Although not an insurance company, it is supervised by the Missouri Department of Insurance.

MHIP Board of Directors

Yes indeed, it appears that Obamacare has also destroyed the state pool exchange for insurance. What a mess!

Quote: Keyser

Feel free to do your own homework. Start with Google. This is the problem with you "low information voters". You expect everyone to do your research rather than studying the issues on your own. This is why the country is in this mess!

Okay, I lied, I don't trust you and until you can prove it, I'll assume you're lying.

Here's more information on the Missouri state pool.

The following people are eligible for MHIP coverage if they have been a legal resident of Missouri (except for federally defined eligible individuals).

Missouri residents must provide evidence of any one of the following:
•A rejection or refusal by an insurer to issue substantially similar health insurance for health reasons
•A refusal by an insurer to issue substantially similar insurance, except at a premium exceeding MHIP's plan premium
•A federally defined eligible individual who has not experienced a significant break in coverage
•A trade act eligible individual
•Any resident dependent of a person who is eligible for plan coverage
•Any person, regardless of age, who can be claimed as a dependent of a trade act eligible individual on that individual's tax filing
•Any person whose health insurance coverage is involuntarily terminated for any reason other than nonpayment of premium or fraud, and who is not otherwise ineligible
•Any person who has health insurance with a premium that is 150 to 200 percent of the individual standard rate and is otherwise eligible
•Any person currently insured who would have qualified as a federally defined eligible individual or a trade act eligible individual between the effective date of the federal Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 and 2008
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Here's information on the Kansas state pool.

State High Risk Pool



The Kansas Health Insurance Association (KHIA) was created by the Kansas State Legislature to provide access to health insurance coverage to all residents of the state who are unable to obtain individual health insurance. We offer individual health insurance coverage to state residents rejected for coverage due to medical reasons.

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Feel free to research the link that I've provided above. I've provided adequate proof. If you find that the internet is too complicated for you to research, then feel free to ask an adult to assist you. :)

When it comes to Obamacare, I hope that you're not as naïve as you're pretending to be.


-Keyser

Quote: Keyser

The Missouri Health Insurance Pool (MHIP) is a nonprofit organization, established in 1991, providing comprehensive medical and drug coverage to Missourians who can't get health insurance in the standard market because of health conditions, exhaustion of COBRA benefits, or other lack of availability.

Shhh, you'll destroy s2d's faith in Obama. He thinks people
with pre existing conditions were put to sleep before Obamacare.

Quote: Keyser

Feel free to research the link that I've provided above

There's no link above but I'll take it from here. Now that you've sourced your information (sort of), I'll dig in.

Quote: Keyser

When it comes to Obamacare, I hope that you're not as naïve as you're pretending to be.

I know how it's lowering my monthly payments for better coverage. I have a feeling that when I look into your "the state pool" information, I'll find that Obamacare is better as well. That research will have to wait though. I'm headed to Las Vegas on Thursday and won't be back until next Tuesday night and I don't want to give this a mere cursory glance otherwise I may say something like Mitt Romney was term limited out of office when in fact he voluntarily chose not to be crushed in his re-election bid in Massachusetts.

Quote: EvenBob

Shhh, you'll destroy s2d's faith in Obama. He thinks people
with pre existing conditions were put to sleep before Obamacare.

Actually, I don't think that but I do think that EvenBob is always wrong.

Quote: s2dbaker

...otherwise I may say something like Mitt Romney was term limited out of office when in fact he voluntarily chose not to be crushed in his re-election bid in Massachusetts.

Don't worry. We're used to hearing s2pid statements like that.

Quote: Beethoven9th

Don't worry. We're used to hearing s2pid statements like that.

I don't believe that S2baker is stupid. He's just not well informed on many of the issues, like Obamacare. He probably doesn't have the time to read and study the facts. A dose of Fox News, and Rush Limbaugh would help him a great deal.

Quote: Keyser

A dose of Fox News, and Rush Limbaugh would help him a great deal.

That has never helped anyone. Ever!

Quote: S2dbaker

I'm headed to Las Vegas on Thursday and won't be back until next Tuesday night

As am I. Kind of a funny coincidence. I'm staying for a full week though. In the meantime, get started on the Fox News.

Quote: Keyser

I don't believe that S2baker is stupid. He's just not well informed on many of the issues, like Obamacare. He probably doesn't have the time to read and study the facts. A dose of Fox News, and Rush Limbaugh would help him a great deal.

True, but I do have to clarify that I never called him s2pid. (That would be worthy of a suspension.) All I said was that he makes s2pid statements.

Quote: Keyser

As am I. Kind of a funny coincidence. I'm staying for a full week though.

I have a feeling that you two will be hanging out with different crowds though. lol

Quote: Keyser

In the meantime, get started on the Fox News.

Some would say that Fox News causes lobotomies but I'm of the camp who believe that you need to be lobotomized first before watching Fox News.

Quote: s2dbaker

Some would say that Fox News causes lobotomies but I'm of the camp who believe that you need to be lobotomized first before watching Fox News.

That's why all the really smart people watch CNN,
who's TV ratings are so low, so in the toilet,
they're going from an all news network, to a
news and entertainment network. When you
hit rock bottom, what do you have to lose.

In the meantime, Fox and Rush continue to beat
the competition bloody with their ratings. But what
does the public know, if only they'd listen to Bill
Maher and Mr 'Thrill Up His Leg', Chris Matthews.

Fox has the best talent, and the most informed reporters of all. There's no competing with them.

Quote: Keyser

Fox has the best talent, and the most informed reporters of all. There's no competing with them.

The people who hate Fox and Rush never listen
to them. There's a Lib that works with my wife
that told her she's terrified of Fox News because
if she watch's, she might want to change her
political views. She knows it's all propaganda and
lies, and she doesn't feel strong enough to stand
up to it. These are the kinds of people we have
electing presidents now. This is why we're forced
to live thru the nightmare called Obamacare.

It really makes no difference. republican/ democrat......at least it shouldnt

I am a conservative and realize bush lied to us about WMD's and got us into a war over it....a lie....and people that supported and defended that lie should have been voted out of office...even if most were republicans.

Obama lied about healthcare costing less, being able to keep yur insurance, being able to maintian your doctor.....a lie...and the politicians that voted for it, and continue to defend it should be gone as well.

if politicians felt there were going to be consequences things would be different...but as it stands now they know they will have the votes of the knee jerk people who vote party and not performance

We should change the name of this thread. I am the last one to even make reference to Walmart and that was like 12 pages ago.

Quote: Larry S

I am a conservative and realize bush lied to us about WMD's and got us into a war over it....a lie....and people that supported and defended that lie should have been voted out of office...even if most were republicans.

Actually Iraq did have WMD's. We knew that they did because we basically had the receipt. Back during Iran/Iraq war, we helped them develop WMD's via sharing technology and equipment. It was a covert program. During the US wars with Iraq, many of the weapons were funneled to Syria. This is one of the reasons that we discretely dispatched troops to Jordon back on or around June 22, 2013. I read that we had sent 900 troops, however I wouldn't be surprised to find out the real number is closer to 5000.

"On February 9, 1994, Senator Riegle delivered a report -commonly known at the Riegle Report- in which it was stated that "pathogenic (meaning 'disease producing'), toxigenic (meaning 'poisonous'), and other biological research materials were exported to Iraq pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S. Department of Commerce." It added: "These exported biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction."[29]

The report then detailed 70 shipments (including Bacillus anthracis) from the United States to Iraqi government agencies over three years, concluding "It was later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the UN inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program."[30]

Donald Riegle, Chairman of the Senate committee that authored the aforementioned Riegle Report, said:


U.N. inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licenses issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programs. ... The executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licenses for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think that is a devastating record.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control sent Iraq 14 separate agents "with biological warfare significance," according to Riegle's investigators.[31]" -Wiki

At the time, winning the war with Iran was more important. One of the things that I admire President Bush Jr. for is never disclosing the source of the WMDs, providing evidence of their existience, in order to protect his reputation. He could have easily thrown his predecessors under the bus in, but he never did. He was a real president.

-Keyser

WMD's--how come no one ever remembers that they were used against Kurds? The children, woman, and men dead in the streets...

There may have been a question of how many he had (and there was ample time to move them out), but he used them--is that not at least some evidence he had them?

Walmart--I am pro-choice. You can choose to go there; you can choose to stay away.

Quote: Keyser

Actually Iraq did have WMD's.

That is undisputed by any high official in the U.S. government (that I know of), even those opposed to the Iraq war, that he DID have WMDs at least some of the time he ruled. Not sure who claims otherwise.