How do you maximize what the pit boss is rating you as?

Of course we all know that our future comps when playing table games is based on what the floor is rating your play as. How do you all get a higher rating? When I play BJ at a $10 table I generally play $10 but I will throw in a positive progression so sometimes my bets get upto to $50 or $60. Now that I am learning to count I am playing a lot more at $10. The last time my wife and I went we sat next to each other and played about the same. She may have even wagered more than I did. When we were done with our session we swiped a kiosk to see how many points we just got. I had almost 1500 and she only had 800. Obviously the floor had me rated much higher, But why?

Here are some things that I do, do these actually help me in my rating?

1. When the floor comes over to get my card after my first buy in, I always wait until they come over before I place my first bet. I will then play $20 or $25. I have noticed that they always look at your bet when they are putting you into the computer. Maybe since they see that, they are starting me at a higher bet?
2. I always place a bet for the dealer on the first hand as well. I take care of the dealers the floor takes care of me?
3. I always chat with the floor when they are near and not looking busy. Mainly just because I am chatty.
4. If I see the floor walking to our table, I will up my bet a little (maybe not anymore since I am counting).

I know the floor people have been doing this longer than i have been gambling and they know any tricks but I find it odd that I was comped 2x as much as my wife.

Thoughts?

I think big bets on your first couple hands are the way to go. This is especially useful at baccarat. Then you can sit out a few hands or bet the minimum.

Quote: GWAE

Of course we all know that our future comps when playing table games is based on what the floor is rating your play as. How do you all get a higher rating? When I play BJ at a $10 table I generally play $10 but I will throw in a positive progression so sometimes my bets get upto to $50 or $60. Now that I am learning to count I am playing a lot more at $10. The last time my wife and I went we sat next to each other and played about the same. She may have even wagered more than I did. When we were done with our session we swiped a kiosk to see how many points we just got. I had almost 1500 and she only had 800. Obviously the floor had me rated much higher, But why?

Here are some things that I do, do these actually help me in my rating?

1. When the floor comes over to get my card after my first buy in, I always wait until they come over before I place my first bet. I will then play $20 or $25. I have noticed that they always look at your bet when they are putting you into the computer. Maybe since they see that, they are starting me at a higher bet?
2. I always place a bet for the dealer on the first hand as well. I take care of the dealers the floor takes care of me?
3. I always chat with the floor when they are near and not looking busy. Mainly just because I am chatty.
4. If I see the floor walking to our table, I will up my bet a little (maybe not anymore since I am counting).

I know the floor people have been doing this longer than i have been gambling and they know any tricks but I find it odd that I was comped 2x as much as my wife.

Thoughts?

All four of these can work. Tell the floor when you make a large bet. If he didn't see it, the dealer will confirm it.
Always behave yourself at the table, no arguing, name calling etc. If you're going to double or triple your base bet off the top, consider wonging in. At least you'll have the extra units up in a positive count.

Number 1 works because floors are sometimes too busy, lazy or both to change your rating once it's in. Two works because a lot of floors are dual rate, meaning they still deal and appreciate tips. Three can't hurt and as for four, too busy or lazy can work against you at times.

Enjoy it now because as you become proficient in counting and start accumulating wins you may wish they never knew you.

Any or all of the four could work... or any and all of the four might fail to work. I think your best "bet" is at the conclusion of your session to ask how you were rated and then state your case that the amount noted does not reflect the times you pressed your bets or increased your action. Once you walk away from the table it's too late.

I played at a casino recently at a low limit $5 table game, and surprisingly the floor person rated me at $15 -- not $5 -- and explained "if I rate you at $5 you won't get any credit." WOW, a sympathetic floor person!

Yeah, the floor person was a nice guy. And if you are a nice player you get rated well by him. Don't try to be super chatty, particularly if the floor person has got work to do. Just introduce yourself and start off with some good bets. Doing a dealer bet when you arrive is best for you anyway whether the floorman sees it or not. Best of both worlds is the dealer sees your dealer bet there and the floorman sees or hears it and after that ... you pretty much gotta do something real bad to tarnish that halo you got.

Does this mean you are squeezing every drop out of that floor man? No! Sometimes he will be busy elsewhere and may indeed miss some of your play, but don't make a pest of yourself. The whole idea is to start out strong and be remembered as a pleasant player who tipped well. If a little "extra" is going to get punched into the computer it won't be because of excessive glad handing, it will not be because you were chatting up the floor man his entire shift. It will be due to a good first impression and a few reminders of it and nothing done to spoil it.

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Yeah, the floor person was a nice guy. And if you are a nice player you get rated well by him. Don't try to be super chatty, particularly if the floor person has got work to do. Just introduce yourself and start off with some good bets. Doing a dealer bet when you arrive is best for you anyway whether the floorman sees it or not. Best of both worlds is the dealer sees your dealer bet there and the floorman sees or hears it and after that ... you pretty much gotta do something real bad to tarnish that halo you got.

Does this mean you are squeezing every drop out of that floor man? No! Sometimes he will be busy elsewhere and may indeed miss some of your play, but don't make a pest of yourself. The whole idea is to start out strong and be remembered as a pleasant player who tipped well. If a little "extra" is going to get punched into the computer it won't be because of excessive glad handing, it will not be because you were chatting up the floor man his entire shift. It will be due to a good first impression and a few reminders of it and nothing done to spoil it.

good points. When I chat with them it is not a 20 min conversation. It is generally just quick small talk. Sometimes if the dealer is winning a lot I will make a comment about them being employee of the month yada yada yada. I do tip decent especially when I am winning so I think for now on I will make it strategic and use those tips when the floor person is near.

One thing that prompted me to post this was yesterday the floor came over while the dealer was sending the chips my way. I could see out of my peripheral vision that he was pretty much staring at me. As soon as I placed me bet he looked down at the computer. I put up a $25 bet with a $5 dealer tip and a $5 side bet. I received more points for my 4 hour session of mostly flat betting $5 then I ever had before.

Most places I don't play rated, but when I do, I have two tricks that I use. The first has already been mentioned, placing a larger bet the first hand or two, when the pit takes your card and is watching.

The second is part of my natural play style of short sessions, and that is to exit at the shuffle after placing large bets. I do this to avoid retreating back to a smaller bet after the shuffle, which is the biggest give-a-way of a counter, but when playing rated, this has additional benefits. The last bets that you made will have been larger bets and fresh in the mind of the pit as they close you out. They will often write down this larger bet as your average bet. :-)

My trick is to be an awesome tipper, although, that's not really a trick because the rating hook-up I get (and points/offers thereof) has an EV that doesn't exceed the $$$, "Lost," on the total amount toked. Also, it doesn't always work, it still kind of depends on the mood of the supervisor. Generally speaking, however, if you take care of the crew, then the supervisor will take care of you.

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My trick is to be an awesome tipper, although, that's not really a trick because the rating hook-up I get (and points/offers thereof) has an EV that doesn't exceed the $$$, "Lost," on the total amount toked. Also, it doesn't always work, it still kind of depends on the mood of the supervisor. Generally speaking, however, if you take care of the crew, then the supervisor will take care of you.

Part of the reason I tip well is very similar to what Mission says; it also opens the door for the pit supe to verify they're counting my full bet, especially if I'm playing two hands with bonuses, and betting higher with some of my winnings. They're much more willing to look at the screen and verify/correct it if I'm friendly and tipping.

One of the most important parts of your rating is going to be your "average bet". ALmost everyone knows how your casino compas are figured out. The casino takes your theoretical win and they give you a % of that back in comps. Your theoretical is calculated by multiplying your "handle" by the games House advantage. If you were playing Blackjack a lot of casinos will standardize the H/A at about 1.2%. This is not always accurate at all casinos, it really just depends on their players club setup.
The 3 things that influence your "handle" is your time played, your average bet and your pace of play. Like I said above a very important factor is the average bet. This will tie in with the OP on the subject.
The floor supervisors are busy people (sometimes lazy but mostly buzy). They will take your average bet once every 5 or 10 minutes depending on when they are able to make it back to your table. It stands to reason that, if they see your bet at the $20 level everytime they come around to rate you, they will obviously rate you at a $20 average bet. Conversly if they always see you at $10 then they will rate you at that level.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that pumping up your bet when you think the floor person is looking at your action will certainly help. Just remember that he will more than likely be watching you for 2 or 3 consecutive hands to get an accurate read, so if you are going to bet more, then do so for a few hands in a row.

The other good piece of advice I have to concur with is simply be nice. Floors don't mind being hooked up in some banter especially about Vegas, the good old days and sports betting (the last one most specifically). If you are nice and you stick in his mind when he closes you out he may up your average bet by a couple of bucks....who knows.

I mean, repeat business is good business right?

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One of the most important parts of your rating is going to be your "average bet". ALmost everyone knows how your casino compas are figured out. The casino takes your theoretical win and they give you a % of that back in comps. Your theoretical is calculated by multiplying your "handle" by the games House advantage. If you were playing Blackjack a lot of casinos will standardize the H/A at about 1.2%. This is not always accurate at all casinos, it really just depends on their players club setup.
The 3 things that influence your "handle" is your time played, your average bet and your pace of play. Like I said above a very important factor is the average bet. This will tie in with the OP on the subject.
The floor supervisors are busy people (sometimes lazy but mostly buzy). They will take your average bet once every 5 or 10 minutes depending on when they are able to make it back to your table. It stands to reason that, if they see your bet at the $20 level everytime they come around to rate you, they will obviously rate you at a $20 average bet. Conversly if they always see you at $10 then they will rate you at that level.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that pumping up your bet when you think the floor person is looking at your action will certainly help. Just remember that he will more than likely be watching you for 2 or 3 consecutive hands to get an accurate read, so if you are going to bet more, then do so for a few hands in a row.

The other good piece of advice I have to concur with is simply be nice. Floors don't mind being hooked up in some banter especially about Vegas, the good old days and sports betting (the last one most specifically). If you are nice and you stick in his mind when he closes you out he may up your average bet by a couple of bucks....who knows.

I mean, repeat business is good business right?

I played Baccarat for 6 hrs yesterday and Points didn't add up. I went to pit boss and showed him my betting pattern and he corrected my ratings and increased my average bet from showing only $25 to $50

Doesn't hurt to speak to the "Pit Boss" directly. table supervisors just don't "get it"

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...table supervisors just don't "get it"

So gr8varmenti is accusing somebody else of not "getting it"????? Man, now I've heard it all...haha

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So gr8varmenti is accusing somebody else of not "getting it"????? Man, now I've heard it all...haha

What is the conversation, exactly? "no, you see, Mr. Pit Boss...That woman is my wifey-girlfriendish-thing, and she's playing against me with my money..."

You really need to ask, act like you are losing a lot, and be friendly. My best is getting a $200 average changed into $650 for an 8 hour session where I was flat betting the entire time, except one or two hands when I was asking him.

Pit bosses usually like the "god you must have a hard job dealing with a bunch of whiny babies all day" speech. I like to let them air out frustrations regarding the annoying players they had to deal with that day. 99% of people like to complain about their work. Let them babble on for a bit then sympathize with them, they usually like having someone to talk to about crap like that.

squeaky wheel gets the grease.

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Pit bosses usually like the "god you must have a hard job dealing with a bunch of whiny babies all day" speech. I like to let them air out frustrations regarding the annoying players they had to deal with that day. 99% of people like to complain about their work. Let them babble on for a bit then sympathize with them, they usually like having someone to talk to about crap like that.

lol that is funny because I do say that to them sometime but it is more me ranting that I have to play with the idiots too.