Great documentary about Gambling in LV
Quote: TomspurQuote: AcesAndEights9v2 is a double down situation in double and single deck, and with a moderately positive count in multi-deck.
Perhaps while counting but never just playing basic. (Again this is only my opinion and my own calculations and reading). I have memorized 3 different sets of basic strategy for DD, 6 deck and 8 deck. (Never for single deck though, I find the game in Vegas worthless because of the 6/5 shave).
All of them you stay on 9v2.
Is your summation based on counting or purely basic Aces?
I use the Wizard's basic strategy calculator for all of my BS needs, and it has never let me down. It's easier than looking at a grid of different BS charts for different game parameters.
Anyway, in a DD game, the calculator says doubling 9v2 is a basic strategy move. I just checked Renzey's Blackjack Bluebook II and it also lists 9v2 in its "DD exceptions" chart as a double down.
I checked 2 of my other books, Professional Blackjack by Wong and Blackbelt in Blackjack by Snyder, and interestingly they didn't have rules- or deck-specific BS charts, which I found surprising (I thought at least one of them did). So it's an easy mistake to make if your strategy card or reference book just has one basic strategy for all. Given the dominance of multi-deck games these days, I wouldn't be surprised if any "generic" BS chart listed 9v2 as a hit.
Now I haven't done the combinatorial analysis or the Monte Carlo sims myself, but I trust the Wizard and Renzey.
Quote: TomspurTwo things.
1) Having a $5k bankroll and spending it to maximize comps is also a rather subjective excercise. I mean, if you were a live poker player, would you really take half your roll and bet quarter slots at 75 cents a hit? Conversely if you are a slot player, would you risk your bankroll on middling or arbing baccarat with your significant other? (read, the hooker you picked up on the corner of Tiago and Paradise........btw, is that still a thing? :) ).
I would much rather take my wife (legit this time) and have her bet the don't, I bet the line, make a couple of ice cream bets (prop bets) inbetween, get some drinks and rack up some comp points, IF your average bet is high enough.
2) In my sheltered and very short sighted opinion you should NEVER double down on 9 against a deuce in any game. I'm not sure which way Mission leaned with his post but yeah, all basic I know, 9 is always a HIT against a dealer deuce. (No deviations or T/C was taken into account when writing this previous statement).
I don't play 75C WOF; I answered the question about how to maximize comps with that suggestion. I would consider that an extreme grind, not entertainment. When I slot, I like stupid slots with crazy second screen bonuses and 50-100+ lines. Sort of like going slumming (no offense to the slot designers on here meant; just acknowledging I don't make the best ev plays because I like complicated slots with big wins possible within the game, not progressives), though I really enjoyed QPP that Mission recommended with lots of little wins, lots of free games, and the occasional small progressive, which is better ev than most I play.
I play what my ex and I called "Iron-Butt" PGP or UTH. I go and play for 10-12 hours at a time, in the casino where I stay, every day I'm there. When I need to get up and walk around, I play slots. I don't care much about the shows or the restaurants, but if I'm with someone who wants to do that stuff, I'll go most of the time. At that, my host "encouraged" me to play more slots last time, because they count much more towards my comps for the same dollar exposed than the table games I prefer.
No idea what about this is attractive to the comp system or how the computer has me. I just keep getting invited back, and I go.
Also no idea about the hookers at Tiago and Paradise. If you can hook me up with a straight gigolo, though, I might take the phone call. ;)
How does one imply a known fact ?
Quote: beachbumbabsI don't play 75C WOF; I answered the question about how to maximize comps with that suggestion. I would consider that an extreme grind, not entertainment. When I slot, I like stupid slots with crazy second screen bonuses and 50-100+ lines. Sort of like going slumming (no offense to the slot designers on here meant; just acknowledging I don't make the best ev plays because I like complicated slots with big wins possible within the game, not progressives), though I really enjoyed QPP that Mission recommended with lots of little wins, lots of free games, and the occasional small progressive, which is better ev than most I play.
I play what my ex and I called "Iron-Butt" PGP or UTH. I go and play for 10-12 hours at a time, in the casino where I stay, every day I'm there. When I need to get up and walk around, I play slots. I don't care much about the shows or the restaurants, but if I'm with someone who wants to do that stuff, I'll go most of the time. At that, my host "encouraged" me to play more slots last time, because they count much more towards my comps for the same dollar exposed than the table games I prefer.
No idea what about this is attractive to the comp system or how the computer has me. I just keep getting invited back, and I go.
Also no idea about the hookers at Tiago and Paradise. If you can hook me up with a straight gigolo, though, I might take the phone call. ;)
I think now I have a better answer to what you are doing. Playing a low H/A game for a large amount of time. As long as your average bet isn't $5 you should get the invite back all the time and be rated relatively highly simply because of your action.
Not sure if being female has anything to do with how you are being rated. I will say this. There is FAR too much power int he hands of the floor supervisor when it comes to inputting information into the computer. If he decides you are cute he could bump up your average bet from $10 to $25. Let's have a quick look at what difference that would make.....
1) $10 average, 12 hours of play on PGP = Theoretical of $52.56 (I made some assumptions here, you are a skilled player who banks whenever you get the opportunity and you play, on average 30 hands per hour which, granted is on the low side.
2) $25 average, 12 hours of play on PGP = $131.4 (Same assumptions)
You can see how big a difference your average bet could make. Either the floor wasn't very good at his job or he thought you were decent eye candy. It really is just that simple in my opinion.
The next time I see a debonaire gigolo on that corner, after I have died of a heart attack, I'll give him your number :)
Quote: beachbumbabsI don't play 75C WOF; I answered the question about how to maximize comps with that suggestion. I would consider that an extreme grind, not entertainment. When I slot, I like stupid slots with crazy second screen bonuses and 50-100+ lines. Sort of like going slumming (no offense to the slot designers on here meant; just acknowledging I don't make the best ev plays because I like complicated slots with big wins possible within the game, not progressives), though I really enjoyed QPP that Mission recommended with lots of little wins, lots of free games, and the occasional small progressive, which is better ev than most I play.
I play what my ex and I called "Iron-Butt" PGP or UTH. I go and play for 10-12 hours at a time, in the casino where I stay, every day I'm there. When I need to get up and walk around, I play slots. I don't care much about the shows or the restaurants, but if I'm with someone who wants to do that stuff, I'll go most of the time. At that, my host "encouraged" me to play more slots last time, because they count much more towards my comps for the same dollar exposed than the table games I prefer.
No idea what about this is attractive to the comp system or how the computer has me. I just keep getting invited back, and I go.
Also no idea about the hookers at Tiago and Paradise. If you can hook me up with a straight gigolo, though, I might take the phone call. ;)
Now it's all starting to make sense...I have never played a slot in my life, so it's understandable that you're getting better comps than me, with similar bankrolls.
I don't think I could ever bring myself to play a slot...maybe VP if I learned the strategy, but at CET properties, isn't the comp rate on VP ratcheted down from slots?
VP comp rate, I think, is about 1/2 the slots; I'll try and check that next time I'm there, but I'm thinking it's 800-1000 countdown to a point, where slots are 500 countdown. Tables are, I believe, lower than either, but I'm not privy to that.
Quote: beachbumbabsMy typical PGP bet is 50/hand, spread between 2 hands, and going up from there; I would say the theo Tomspur posted was close to accurate as to my results. UTH is 10-15 each ante/blind, depending on how the cards are running, with very aggressive play strategy.
VP comp rate, I think, is about 1/2 the slots; I'll try and check that next time I'm there, but I'm thinking it's 800-1000 countdown to a point, where slots are 500 countdown. Tables are, I believe, lower than either, but I'm not privy to that.
If you are talking about CET then you should always err on the low side. Their comps are always quite tight but you can get free rooms anywhere you like (within reason of course).
Personally I think you could get better value elsewhere but since you have built up a track record at CET properties and always get treated right by them, it would be very difficult to leave now.
Just keep on enjoying the good treatment I would say :)
Quote: TomspurIf you are talking about CET then you should always err on the low side. Their comps are always quite tight but you can get free rooms anywhere you like (within reason of course).
Personally I think you could get better value elsewhere but since you have built up a track record at CET properties and always get treated right by them, it would be very difficult to leave now.
Just keep on enjoying the good treatment I would say :)
I'm always interested in better value - if you have suggestions, I'm not the only one who would be listening. But you're right, I have a long track record with Harrah's, not so much with Caesar's, though it's been 9 years since they merged. To me it still matters a bit.
Quote: beachbumbabsI'm always interested in better value - if you have suggestions, I'm not the only one who would be listening. But you're right, I have a long track record with Harrah's, not so much with Caesar's, though it's been 9 years since they merged. To me it still matters a bit.
Again, in my opinion it matters what you want out of the deal. Do you want the free rooms and pay for it with stingy comp points or do you want slightly more liberal points but pay in a little when getting rooms?
I think at the end of the day it is probably a wash. The bigger companies tend to go the CET way because they have a larger inventory of hotel rooms to fill. They would rather fill them with players than not. I know it seems logical but it really is that simple, especially on slower times of the year.
You can always try smaller companies. They will more than likely value your play more but that would mean having to start from the bottom with regards to hosting, relationships and the like.
If I were you, I would stick with Harrah's, rather the devil you know then the devil you don't :)
I do this a lot since I get tons of free rooms at CP but no other goodies.
Quote: djatcWell you could stay at CET properties for cheap/free then gamble somewhere else for the other goodies, such as MGM.
I do this a lot since I get tons of free rooms at CP but no other goodies.
That's kind of what I was thinking, too, dj...I give them plenty of play, I could be working for comps somewhere else as well, if the somewhere else gave generous cash or meal incentives or something.
Given my desire to steer more of my play toward AP (no card) and away from craps, I put in some decent play at some select downtown properties last trip, and have received contact info for a couple hosts. If I can't make it happen at CET, I'll start slumming it :).
I'm looking out to a trip somewhere in Feb, March, or April and can't manage to get a whole trip comped at Flamingo like usual, although getting a very cheap rate at Harrah's ($92 total for 6 nights, resort fee waived). I think the problem is my last trip was May, so my play is starting to get "old." There's always the chance I could make up for it with play on the trip, but from everything I've heard, that usually just comes out of your RCs.
Anyway, insightful commentary here, thank you everyone. I'll survive.
Quote: Mission146When asked, "Why don't you gamble," the casino host responded, "Because I'm smart." I was surprised by that simply because you would think that his high-rollers, knowing they are in the documentary, will seek to watch it and might take offense, as though their host is implying that they are stupid.
Nobody said you had to be smart to be a host :)
Quote: TomspurNobody said you had to be smart to be a host :)
He's probably being a wise guy, kidding around. He might
even say it to his players. Like Groucho saying he'd never
belong to a club that would have him as a member.
He was right, of course.
What a job; casino hosting is like selling cigarettes to patients in the cancer ward.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LouisTheroux/comments/4b7up7/update_louis_theroux_gambling_in_vegas_doc_rich/#bottom-comments
Also, to the poster who was knocking the guy for not doubling 9 against 2, it was clearly a shoe game, so the correct move was indeed to hit :-P
