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August 14th, 2013 at 7:47:13 PM permalink
I caught his radio show recently and heard that he admitted to calling his source at the revel and advising them it could be a disastrous promotion for them . I now feel he single handidly caused the high denomination machines to be removed
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August 14th, 2013 at 8:01:36 PM permalink
Sadly, he is not even one full step removed from a casino employee or shill. People used to complain that writers like Patrick were shilling. But that hasn't seemed to crop up in the latest salvos.
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August 14th, 2013 at 8:14:24 PM permalink
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August 14th, 2013 at 8:24:00 PM permalink
I Just want to know who's side he is on. New players think hes on their side because hes encouraging casinos to add some 9/6 OR 10/7 db VP. Good VP alone will not make you any money. If someone is out here telling casinos not to run particular promotions, pointing out mistakes, telling them not to add any $1 full pay deuces or Full Pay $1 jokers then that's terrible. How can people support someone that is stabbing them in the back while telling them it's a back massage?

He gets the best of both worlds but we get the worst? I'm sure tons of people feed him information on good plays. What dose he do with that information? Explain to the casino its a bad proposition for them, in hopes of doing some consulting?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 14th, 2013 at 8:27:58 PM permalink
you forgot to add spot to your poll so someone could vote for the last 2

Why DID you put everyday average player? I would really like to know who voted for that. I really think that is the dumbest vote I have ever seen.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 14th, 2013 at 8:29:10 PM permalink
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August 14th, 2013 at 8:29:54 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

You know what they say about snitches.

They get paid?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Ibeatyouraces
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August 14th, 2013 at 8:31:26 PM permalink
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August 14th, 2013 at 8:37:13 PM permalink
when I heard him say it on the radio show I went bonkers, pulling those machines cost somone that as going to maximize the promotion almost 20 k- I think even ricahrd munchkin couldnt believe he said it
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August 14th, 2013 at 8:44:31 PM permalink
I'm a bigot.
I am a robot.
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August 14th, 2013 at 8:45:25 PM permalink
He said it, I heard it as well it almost sounded like a slip up while explaining something, then munchkin said WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? it got swept under the rug after that.

THE EV was more like 40k per player for that went to play it. Over 15 people showed up just to play the $25 machine more would have came and played it if the $25 VP machine stayed around.

I still don't know how they got Specific names.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 14th, 2013 at 9:08:38 PM permalink
he screwed evreybody, im still ma
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August 14th, 2013 at 9:16:29 PM permalink
David Sklansky is guilty of the same thing. They play both ends against the middle. They sell information to the public on how to beat the casinos, and consult the casinos on how not to get beat by the public. In the Revel case, I think Bob threw them a freebie because he's looking to do business with them in the future.
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August 14th, 2013 at 9:22:06 PM permalink
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August 14th, 2013 at 9:36:35 PM permalink
yes he clearly said on the show that he wanted to do consulting or run classes or something- I just cannot believe he gets any respect hr cost a lot of people a lot of money
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August 14th, 2013 at 10:19:48 PM permalink
What a piece of work this guy turned out to be.
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August 14th, 2013 at 10:39:05 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I'd never turn on fellow gamblers, never!

Not even if you had a cult like following, people who gave you money, praised you and put you on a pedestal? Not even if you could convince impressionable people what you were doing was for their own good?

who was worst David Koresh or the ATF?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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August 14th, 2013 at 10:56:48 PM permalink
Rob Singer will be wetting his pants with glee over this news.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
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August 15th, 2013 at 3:16:38 AM permalink
So Dancer being in league with the casinos is supposed to be the shocking news?

He has been running his VP classes for the South Point for ages, so basically he is working for them. Did anybody really believe these classes have any other purpose than bringing in suckers? Those poor bastards lose their money on the VP machines under the false impression of being an AP.

Admitting it on his show is kinda interesting though, but the guy has never seemed too bright to me...
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August 15th, 2013 at 3:50:25 AM permalink
I recently made reference to a scene in a movie where a plate of asparagus is being passed around and one guest slices off all the tips for himself and passes around the remaining stalks.

Bob Dancer is the guy who sells classes in How to Take All The Tips For Yourself, telling people its fun, its easy and the restaurant won't object. In reality, the restaurants usually give such patrons the bum's rush.

So is it any surprise that Dancer works for the Farmer's Asparagus Association and gets his palms greased every step of the way by everyone else? All the classes, advertisements, radio shows, ... he is like a munitions salesman during a war. Makes money from every side and lies to everyone so as to cause as much friction as possible.
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August 15th, 2013 at 7:14:50 AM permalink
LOL at Flea, good one, lol.
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August 15th, 2013 at 7:15:13 AM permalink
Me too. Bigot, that is.
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August 15th, 2013 at 8:12:07 AM permalink
What's a Bob Dancer?
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August 15th, 2013 at 8:34:11 AM permalink
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August 15th, 2013 at 11:20:40 AM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

Rob Singer will be wetting his pants with glee over this news.



Over 10 years and thousands of posts in the internet gambling forums and Rob Singer has never even once exhibited an understanding of the mathematics of gambling. He knows absolutely nothing about the mathematics of gambling. His last bit of wisdom departed to us before he got kicked of of vpFREE again was about the Revel promo. He absolutely does not play loss rebate promotions and everyone else should avoid them too because "ya have to hope to lose." LMAO! Have you seen Naked and Afraid on Discovery? For his transgressions on the Revel promo, Bob should have to do 3 weeks naked and afraid on a desert island with Rob Singer.
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August 15th, 2013 at 11:49:06 AM permalink
To take a line from my favorite tv show:

Hes a habitual line stepper. Theres one thing to teach people video poker but to disclose promotions is not diplomatic

Also not relevant but cocaine is a hell of a drug
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August 15th, 2013 at 12:24:38 PM permalink
I dont know how people dont flip when they see him in person- I would love to give him a piece of my mind wish casinos could see through him
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August 15th, 2013 at 12:32:22 PM permalink
He's warned people on his shows not to approach
him in the casinos. I love warnings...
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August 15th, 2013 at 12:33:45 PM permalink
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August 15th, 2013 at 12:39:38 PM permalink
where does he play?>
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August 15th, 2013 at 12:41:11 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

He's warned people on his shows not to approach
him in the casinos. I love warnings...



Just exactly what would the light footed dancer do if approached in a casino?
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August 15th, 2013 at 12:46:17 PM permalink
Quote: mickeycrimm

Over 10 years and thousands of posts in the internet gambling forums and Rob Singer has never even once exhibited an understanding of the mathematics of gambling. He knows absolutely nothing about the mathematics of gambling.



That's very clear indeed. His 'special plays' are some of the weirdest thought up ideas... there is no consistency in the plays at all. It's also clear 95% of his 'ideas' are to try and stick one on Dancer for some reason.

Quote:

His last bit of wisdom departed to us before he got kicked of of vpFREE again was about the Revel promo. He absolutely does not play loss rebate promotions and everyone else should avoid them too because "ya have to hope to lose." LMAO! Have you seen Naked and Afraid on Discovery? For his transgressions on the Revel promo, Bob should have to do 3 weeks naked and afraid on a desert island with Rob Singer.



I'd watch that for a dollar.

Though I'm not sure that's actually an advantage play...
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August 15th, 2013 at 12:50:27 PM permalink
Not stated on here yet, but I hope anyone and everyone who thought The Wizard did this should apologize to him publicly.

That said, the fact that someone had to tell Revel about this shows again just how stupid they really are.
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August 15th, 2013 at 12:54:58 PM permalink
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August 15th, 2013 at 12:55:15 PM permalink
you are right but i literally wante to jump through the radio when I heard it
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August 15th, 2013 at 1:00:14 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Not stated on here yet, but I hope anyone and everyone who thought The Wizard did this should apologize to him publicly.

That said, the fact that someone had to tell Revel about this shows again just how stupid they really are.



We only have Bob's word for it that he did make a call, and an assumption that his word was enough for the Revel to make changes.

Never imagined it would be Mr Shackleford. Just not his style.
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August 15th, 2013 at 1:02:00 PM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

Just exactly what would the light footed dancer do if approached in a casino?



Get pissed that you might blow his cover. He'd
probably run.
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August 15th, 2013 at 1:05:40 PM permalink
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I Just want to know who's side he is on... If someone is out here telling casinos not to run particular promotions, pointing out mistakes, telling them not to add any $1 full pay deuces or Full Pay $1 jokers then that's terrible.



Interesting double standard. When Michael Shackleford was helping the Venetian make money, we all said congrats (myself included). But if Bob Dancer helps the South Point make money, he's a traitor.



Quote: Boz

Not stated on here yet, but I hope anyone and everyone who thought The Wizard did this should apologize to him publicly.



Ah yes, but the Wizard and Bob Dancer are friends and occasional radio co-hosts, so how do we know the Wizard isn't in on the Revel conspiracy? Guilt by association.

The paranoia around here really stinks.
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August 15th, 2013 at 1:10:27 PM permalink
Quote: reno

Interesting double standard. .



I don't remember Mike hurting fellow players publicly
when he worked for the Venetian. Do you?
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August 15th, 2013 at 1:29:47 PM permalink
Quote: reno

Interesting double standard. When Michael Shackleford was helping the Venetian make money, we all said congrats (myself included). But if Bob Dancer helps the South Point make money, he's a traitor.





Ah yes, but the Wizard and Bob Dancer are friends and occasional radio co-hosts, so how do we know the Wizard isn't in on the Revel conspiracy? Guilt by association.

The paranoia around here really stinks.



Because the Wizard stated he was not and his word is gold around here, as it should as he has never been proven a liar. If you have other info, please feel free to post it.
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August 15th, 2013 at 1:53:46 PM permalink
It's not working with the Revel that is most important, it's the lack of disclosure of the relationship in two public forums that matters most. Bob talked about the promotion a few days before it started on the radio show, discussing the promotion but not disclosing his relationship with the casino. People presumably made plans to go to Revel based on his advice that wouldn't have gone if he told them everything he knew at the time. In addition, he wrote an article supporting the promotion even after word leaked out of the bannings. That article also didn't disclose a relationship. Again, people probably went to the casino on bob's word that everything was ok, not understanding he had a financial interest. In my opinion, the first step needs to be remove someone from a radio show when he lied to his audience and lost their trust.
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August 15th, 2013 at 2:01:49 PM permalink
Financial Interest? Has that been confirmed? And the radio show is his own podcast. Not gonna happen if he removes himself from his own show...
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August 15th, 2013 at 2:09:09 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I don't remember Mike hurting fellow players publicly
when he worked for the Venetian. Do you?



How did Bob Dancer hurt fellow players?

Dancer told a Revel employee that the high denomination vp machines are a vulnerability to Revel during the promotion. This mathematical fact was openly discussed on wizardofvegas.com, a website available to the public, a website that many industry professionals read. This mathematical fact was not a secret. And yet everyone is convinced that Dancer leaked top secret classified information. No one has offered any proof that Revel employees weren't already aware of this vulnerability. No one has offered any proof that Revel employees were not reading the threads on this website. No one has offered any proof that Bob Dancer influenced Revel's promotion in any way shape or form. No one has offered any proof that the employee Dancer was speaking with had any authority to determine the fate of this promotion. Just hearsay and finger-pointing.

Revel's promotion was poorly planned, poorly executed, and totally botched from start to finish. Apparently it's all Bob Dancer's fault. Or maybe it's the Wizard's fault. Who will we gang up on next?
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August 15th, 2013 at 2:17:06 PM permalink
Quote: reno

Who will we gang up on next?



Find out here:

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/14844-who-will-we-gang-up-on-next/
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August 15th, 2013 at 2:26:59 PM permalink
Quote: reno

How did Bob Dancer hurt fellow players?

Dancer told a Revel employee that the high denomination vp machines are a vulnerability to Revel during the promotion. This mathematical fact was openly discussed on wizardofvegas.com, a website available to the public, a website that many industry professionals read. This mathematical fact was not a secret. And yet everyone is convinced that Dancer leaked top secret classified information. No one has offered any proof that Revel employees weren't already aware of this vulnerability. No one has offered any proof that Revel employees were not reading the threads on this website. No one has offered any proof that Bob Dancer influenced Revel's promotion in any way shape or form. No one has offered any proof that the employee Dancer was speaking with had any authority to determine the fate of this promotion. Just hearsay and finger-pointing.

Revel's promotion was poorly planned, poorly executed, and totally botched from start to finish. Apparently it's all Bob Dancer's fault. Or maybe it's the Wizard's fault. Who will we gang up on next?



So do you think people should be punished for attempted murder, or only when they actually succeed?
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August 15th, 2013 at 3:14:25 PM permalink
Quote: randomperson



So do you think people should be punished for attempted murder, or only when they actually succeed?



No. Dancer should be castigated for telling the king that goose lays golden eggs, even if other people already knew it was a special goose, but not blamed for the golden goose being slaughtered.
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August 15th, 2013 at 5:37:52 PM permalink
castigated or castrated?
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August 15th, 2013 at 8:18:53 PM permalink
Quote: reno

Interesting double standard. When Michael Shackleford was helping the Venetian make money, we all said congrats (myself included). But if Bob Dancer helps the South Point make money, he's a traitor.

Ah yes, but the Wizard and Bob Dancer are friends and occasional radio co-hosts, so how do we know the Wizard isn't in on the Revel conspiracy? Guilt by association.

The paranoia around here really stinks.

I never said congrats. I didn't even know he was working for The Venetian until after. I stated I didn't like the good information being openly given here if it will kill a good play. I'm not upset that someone is consulting for individual casinos that they have a contract with including BD. But when you call a casino During or right before a good promotion , explaining who you are and how much money this promotion is going to cost your casino. meanwhile encouraging everyone to go play the promo and that everything seems fine. That's BULLSHIT

He attempted to tell the casino it was a bad idea to have $25 denominations and how much they may lose. WHY? WHY? WHY? WHY?

I believe BD was even attempting to make side bets that the promotion would not change significantly. If he gave his listeners information that he warned the casino about the $25 machines prior to the start of the promo it may have saved a lot of people time and money.
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August 15th, 2013 at 8:42:09 PM permalink
you are right I forgot about him talking about side bets and how much he bragged on the show that this was a great promo, how about all the people myself included that booked tickets and rooms only to have to cancel
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August 15th, 2013 at 9:11:38 PM permalink
Quote: strictlyAP

the people myself included that booked tickets and rooms only to have to cancel



Which was more bothersome: that machines were being removed, or that players' cards were being confiscated?

From an objective math standpoint, this promotion was obviously an EV positive bet. But it's a judgement call to measure Revel's habit of screwing things up. Revel had such a lousy reputation among players long before this promotion was announced.
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