The mythical Patrick board monitor
Patrick deleted most of her post ...according to pstrick....CLAIMING marianne was giving out too much secret info on how he bets.
Does he mean the secret info that allows him to live in what he refers to as hades without being able to periodically visit vegas or AC?
But the funny thing is.....he says that the "monitor" held up the post because get this...HE SUPPOSEDLY TOLD THE MONITOR TO HOLDUP POSTS THAT GIVE OUT TOO MUCH INFO on this topic on how he bets/
WOW....this monitor has to keep up on patricks theories in order to know what to "hold up". It seems the monitor has to take his sports service in order to know what patrick is currently preaching.
It used to be that he announced he instructed the monitor to delete people who critisize others, or are vulgar. Now it seems the monitor is instructed to hold back content.
Cant the guy just admit he deletes what he wants. This mythical monitor has been reference way too mcuh.
Billy Walters a very successful sports gambler has a simple method ....HE BETS ALOT OF MONEY ON A WINNING TEAM. And Walters owns multiple jets, golf courses, homes, .
Patrick pretends to protect a secret successfull method that keeps him holed up in lutz with no way out(according to him).
With financial freedom.....there is always " a way out"/
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Billy Walters a very successful sports gambler has a simple method ....HE BETS ALOT OF MONEY ON A WINNING TEAM. And Walters owns multiple jets, golf courses, homes, .
Very funny,... Billy Walters has been on TV many times for interviews, and has told everybody how he bets!
And he mesmerizes the non sphisticated sports bettorwith that claim
Except for one thing. He continually buys points and runs. Meaning his bets are in the -200- -300 range. Meaning you need at least a 65 percent success rate just to break even.
My theory is that he doesnt want his methods exposed to seasoned bettors because it wouldbe an embarrassment. He rather keep his methods to seem secretive so that he keeps getting novice people eating up his methods. They dont know any better
remember his old saying.............It matters little who you bet..but rather how you bet who you bet.
He cannot defend that claim....its just a declaration...
believe me..he doesnt want a thread about HOW to bet....TO DEVELOPE.....
Edit: I see on Amazon Wizard's book has a number of different listings, so the 6,561,262 number is only for one seller, another seller has a much better number.
Quote:Ibeatyouraces
Some people like a good fiction book now and again.
No you got that wrong, most gamblers don't know the difference between fiction and reality, well that is what I've see all the time with the guys that are trying to become so-called DI's,..the fiction writers can sell them anything!
You are right about many gamblers liking fiction.
There are some folks that want to be told that everything will be ok. Want to be told that the casinos can be beat with money management.
Patrick makes declarations like 70 percent of people entering a casino are ahead at some point. Wow, if thats the case newbies read on. He can help you save those "wins",
He declares that the long run doesnt apply to him. Wow..those unsuspecting newbies want to hear that. The want to be told everything is going to be ok...dont worry about the house advantage.
So while the wizard may have books based on sound science...patrick has a house of cards program built on declarations that have no proof, that are not basedon sound provable science.
so of course he needs a mythical "monitor" that protects him
in the gambling world. Some people are just
jealous of his fame, thats all.
Quote: jonCan someone explain something to me? What is this guy's appeal? Wizard's book has a rank of 6,561,262 on Amazon.com. John Patrick's "Advanced Craps" book has a rank of 90,564. We all know that one of these two authors gives sound advice and one is a loon. I'd love to know why he is somewhat successful.
Edit: I see on Amazon Wizard's book has a number of different listings, so the 6,561,262 number is only for one seller, another seller has a much better number.
Amazon ranking means almost nothing. 90,564 means he sold a copy in the last week or so. For someone who once had a TV show that's pretty awful.
I remember when my blackjack book came out I got in the top 1000 on the strength of a couple of dozen book sales in a few hours. The fluctuations are extremely wild.
From what I recall when the wizard's book came out, it seemed to be essentially a retread of what he'd done on site for the then substantial numbers of people still offline. I didn't buy it for that reason. That isn't a reflection on its likely quality.
Quote: LarryS
Patrick makes declarations like 70 percent of people entering a casino are ahead at some point.
Just about everything else he says is garbage, but depending on the game, I think this one could be true, or very close.
If you play Craps and bet the Pass Line, for example, 49.29% of people are ahead after one play, because they win the first one. If you flat bet, lose the first one, but win the next two, that's:
.5071 * .4929 * .4929 = .1232, another 12.32%
If you Take Odds, then you could lose the first bet in any fashion, but if you win the second on a Point Established and Made, with Odds, then you're ahead.
So, I would probably have to say that Craps is one game where I think it is quite reasonable to surmise than roughly 70% of players will be ahead, at some point, maybe someone knows a more exact number.
Quote: jonCan someone explain something to me? What is this guy's appeal? Wizard's book has a rank of 6,561,262 on Amazon.com. John Patrick's "Advanced Craps" book has a rank of 90,564.
Let me try to explain it. One book promises an easy way to beat the casinos at a game of luck. The other says you have to memorize a lot of boring strategy and the odds will still be in the casino's favor. Which book do you think Average Joe is going to buy?
By the way, I see it has been 2.5 weeks since anybody was banned. What better way to end that with another thread about JP?
Quote: Wizard
By the way, I see it has been 2.5 weeks since anybody was banned. What better way to end that with another thread about JP?
I thought that should have already been done.
Quote: Mission146
So, I would probably have to say that Craps is one game where I think it is quite reasonable to surmise than roughly 70% of players will be ahead, at some point, maybe someone knows a more exact number.
It's true with many games (VP, for another one). Thing is being ahead 1 unit 70% of the time requires the willingness to put at risk many, many units. And that's not what he'll tell you, instead dress is up in your own failure to follow his Big 4, little 3 or sideways 9. You can't cheat the math by walking away when up, banking it and then coming back later. If it's a negative expectation game, you'll tend to lose.
90% of what he writes on the forum is garbage. Witterings and ravings that need to be editted to make any sense, even in relation on what he's previously written in his books. I mean garbage in the purest form in that there is no sense to them, not that its wrong. Follow his sport picks advice and I have no idea who he's kidding that it's actually relevant or useful.
He also has many suggestions for hedge betting.
I never could figure out his aversion to PL and come betting, though.
But when he plays craps, Patrick is a dark-sider, usually employing hedging.
Quote: Mission146Just about everything else he says is garbage, but depending on the game, I think this one could be true, or very close.
If you play Craps and bet the Pass Line, for example, 49.29% of people are ahead after one play, because they win the first one. If you flat bet, lose the first one, but win the next two, that's:
.5071 * .4929 * .4929 = .1232, another 12.32%
If you Take Odds, then you could lose the first bet in any fashion, but if you win the second on a Point Established and Made, with Odds, then you're ahead.
So, I would probably have to say that Craps is one game where I think it is quite reasonable to surmise than roughly 70% of players will be ahead, at some point, maybe someone knows a more exact number.
This is under the categoryof "figures can lie". That 70 percent figure includes people who may win their first bet and never be ahead again. Or the guy that puts a dollar in a slot machine, and gets back 1.25 on the first spin. Its not like 70 percent of the people are significantly ahead where if they used some technique or MM..they could protect that "win". Patrick followers are 5 dollar table bettors. So their first wins are small. So it they do get ahead at the beginning, so what. So what if they lose it ALL back. Losing it ALL back is easy when you are betting 5- 10 dollars at a time. When asked where he got that 70 percent number he gets defensive and doesnt quote a source. He doesnt specifically tie that 70 percent figure to craps. Its tied to all patrons of a casino...a cross section. 70 percent of all of them are ahead at some point he claims.
But after driving an hour each way to the casino, with the expenses...really who cares about the people who are ahead at one point 10 dollars. And who cares that they end up losing that 10 dollars back.
Quote: LarrySThis is under the categoryof "figures can lie". That 70 percent figure includes people who may win their first bet and never be ahead again. Or the guy that puts a dollar in a slot machine, and gets back 1.25 on the first spin. Its not like 70 percent of the people are significantly ahead where if they used some technique or MM..they could protect that "win". Patrick followers are 5 dollar table bettors. So their first wins are small. So it they do get ahead at the beginning, so what. So what if they lose it ALL back. Losing it ALL back is easy when you are betting 5- 10 dollars at a time. When asked where he got that 70 percent number he gets defensive and doesnt quote a source. He doesnt specifically tie that 70 percent figure to craps. Its tied to all patrons of a casino...a cross section. 70 percent of all of them are ahead at some point he claims.
But after driving an hour each way to the casino, with the expenses...really who cares about the people who are ahead at one point 10 dollars. And who cares that they end up losing that 10 dollars back.
I didn't say that it involved being significantly ahead, maybe John Patrick did, I'd have to follow him to know. I just took the statement to mean that, from the point someone walks into the casino until the point someone leaves, 70% of the time that someone will be ahead at least once.
I also agree with the previous point that, if everyone did this, it would eventually be made up for by the same people (making multiple visits) or different people who simply never get ahead and lose their entire bankroll or session money trying.
I don't know about the last part, I certainly wouldn't set a win goal of one unit, because as you said, there really wouldn't be much point in going in the first place. I really don't know how the statement relates to anything else, or what context it is meant in, I was simply stating that I can believe that 70% of the people who enter a casino are ahead at some point. For me, the implications of that are absolutely nothing.
But the statrment on the front page of that guy's website says 70 percent of people are ahead at some time..and 90 percent of that 70 percent lose it all back.
my quarrel with that declaration is that who cares if someone is ahead 25 cents and loses it ALL back. Or someone is ahead 5 dollar and loses it ALL back. That statement is meaning unless we know what part of that 70 percent is significantly ahead.
Because what he is eluding to is to give people false hope that they will be ahead 70 percentof the time, and all they need is his guidance in order to protect those winnings.
But we can all agree that within that "70 percent"....are a subset of people who are insignificantly ahead, and no plan or MM is going to help them salvage a portion of that small win.
Its nice to give people false hope with grand unsubstantiated declarations. Nice to sell some wares., get people hyped up and wanting to gamble.
the problem I have with that statement is not that it is indeed possible for that percentage to be ahead in a game you mentioned(craps)... as a statement just for thought or mental gymnanstics
It instead is given out as fact for ALL patrons of a casino cumulatively. And is stated with a purpose in mind.....a purpose to promote gambling and henbse gambling aides.
Quote: LarrySI know you didnt talk about being significantly ahead.
But the statrment on the front page of that guy's website says 70 percent of people are ahead at some time..and 90 percent of that 70 percent lose it all back.
my quarrel with that declaration is that who cares if someone is ahead 25 cents and loses it ALL back. Or someone is ahead 5 dollar and loses it ALL back. That statement is meaning unless we know what part of that 70 percent is significantly ahead.
Because what he is eluding to is to give people false hope that they will be ahead 70 percentof the time, and all they need is his guidance in order to protect those winnings.
But we can all agree that within that "70 percent"....are a subset of people who are insignificantly ahead, and no plan or MM is going to help them salvage a portion of that small win.
Its nice to give people false hope with grand unsubstantiated declarations. Nice to sell some wares., get people hyped up and wanting to gamble.
the problem I have with that statement is not that it is indeed possible for that percentage to be ahead in a game you mentioned(craps)... as a statement just for thought or mental gymnanstics
It instead is given out as fact for ALL patrons of a casino cumulatively. And is stated with a purpose in mind.....a purpose to promote gambling and henbse gambling aides.
Yes, but why obsess over what JP says. Save yourself some heartache and stop worrying about his every move.
Quote: CrystalMathYes, but why obsess over what JP says. Save yourself some heartache and stop worrying about his every move.
You're 3000 posts too late.
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Thank you for the great humor, brother. Are you s2dbaker or Googie Gomez? I never met Googie Gomez. But I met Oray Gonzalez. In English his name was George. He was Mariel Boatlift. One of the best friends I've ever had. I've haven't seen him in years. I met him in the labor camps in Florida.
Quote: WizardLet me try to explain it. One book promises an easy way to beat the casinos at a game of luck. The other says you have to memorize a lot of boring strategy and the odds will still be in the casino's favor. Which book do you think Average Joe is going to buy?
If you like chicken and one cookbook has only one recipe and the other has thirty recipes for cooking chicken, which cookbook do you think Average Joe is going to buy?
It's the same with craps. There is not 'one recipe' that will guarantee a successful craps session. You may like fried chicken and someone may like their chicken baked.
You have to look at all the recipes and pick the recipe that you like. Sometimes the recipe, either craps or chicken, may not suit your taste when you are done.
You may try the fried or baked chicken recipe and didn't like the results.
Next time you try the 'chicken creole' recipe.
Try it you may like it.
His target audience consists of guys burned out / bummed out from getting whacked from aggressive casino play.
He suggests betting within your bankroll, conservative play, and loss avoidance.
Nothing wrong with that, per se, but his writing style demeans and insults, which is funny in the beginning but gets old pretty quickly.
I do not regret reading his books; come to find out it just wasn't a good fit for me.
Quote: FatGeezusThere is not 'one recipe' that will guarantee a successful craps session.
There are zero recipes that will guarantee a winning craps session. That said, all I need is the one recipe that will cause me to lose the least.
Quote: CrystalMathYes, but why obsess over what JP says. Save yourself some heartache and stop worrying about his every move.
one single thread on a specific topic, with me posting about 4-5 times in a week calmly with sane thoughtful exchanges between posters is not "obsessing"
you use words like "worry"...i never said I was "worried"
let alone "worriyng" about his EVERY MOVE. I dont claim to know his "every move". ...never did
you are making up claims out of thin air.........ahhh I see.....Kind of like the topic at hand.
bravo
Quote: MrVPatrick is pretty unique in his "risk avoidance" mentality.
His target audience consists of guys burned out / bummed out from getting whacked from aggressive casino play.
He suggests betting within your bankroll, conservative play, and loss avoidance.
Nothing wrong with that, per se, but his writing style demeans and insults, which is funny in the beginning but gets old pretty quickly.
I do not regret reading his books; come to find out it just wasn't a good fit for me.
You cannot raise a family and build welath...."losing less"
But the claim is made that with permission of your family, a 15k bankroll and a pizza delivery job is enough for someone to be a "professional gambler"
and V...you know I am not exaggerating on this one.
And a follower took him up on being the "professional gambler".....and dropped out after failing in 2 weeks withcraps
nothing wrong about touting "losing less'...but then once you stray from that and talk about rasing a family with the "losing less" scheme...you lose me.
Never were.
They're for recreational players, people looking for another point of view.
Certainly I cannot see a true AP enamored with "The Patrick" or "The Ricochet" plays.
Check out his "appearance" in Honeymoon in Vegas (one of my favorite movies):
http://viooz.co/movies/4449-honeymoon-in-vegas-1992.html
skip to 42:52. Does appearing on a small TV in the background really count?
Quote: MrVThe reality is that Patrick's books are NOT for "professional gamblers."
Never were.
They're for recreational players, people looking for another point of view.
Certainly I cannot see a true AP enamored with "The Patrick" or "The Ricochet" plays.
well thats your opinion, although the author claims that using his methods, with 15k and a pizza delivery gig, you can support a family.
ken actually believed that....poor ken....I think his problem was that he left off the most important money making aspect of patrick's mentoring......the pizza delivery job.
But he did follow his idol to his own personal "hades"...down down below in a relative's basrment.
1. if you are so scared by the 7 (he creates plays to take the 7 away) why not bet the come because 7 wins?????
2. you believe in trends, so why not come bet and be on the number that is trending????
he and one of his buffoons then started attacking me.
pLAN B being a "monitor" that cleans house of posts worthy to be deleted.
when something goes missing..its always "the monitor"
He claims he has absolutly no ability to delete. The "monitor" never goes on vacation or takes a day off.
for a so called has been..
the question was if it was "ethical" to purchase sports picks and then sell it to someone else. A poster thought someone doing that with patrick picks was "unethical"
the response by the dominant force was that in these times people steal from each other and its common place so "ethics" are missing in this day and age.
Hmmmmmm....this is coming from a guy that brags about cheating at poker with an accomplice in the old days, or stealing a honeymoon suite with a just married scam. It seems cheating and unethical behavior is not tied to a particular era.
Quote: EvenBobJP currently has 15 books on Amazon. Not bad
for a so called has been..
A PERSON IMPRESSED BY QUATITY.
doyle brunson has far fewer books on amazon. Yet he is a multimillionaire living where he wants, traveling where he wants, not complaining that he is holed up in "hades". His few books have often been reffered to as the "gold standard" Pros attribute success to this man who has no where near 15 books on amazon.
One day compare patricks book on poker with Super System..... before bragging about quantity. Please compare quality of what is written with comparable books out there. All of a sudden you will find that quantity is not at all impressive
whichof the 2 has a lifestyle of a "has been"(your words)
the answer is evident...it was rhetorical
Quote: LarryS
doyle brunson has far fewer books on amazon.
Lots of authors have far less than 15 books. That
many books in print is nothing to sneeze at, its a
real accomplishment.
Quote: ontariodealersome smart guy once said, when it comes to casino gambling john patrick does not merit serious considerstion . As for having 15 books, you have 11367 posts and you're not exactly 'up there'.
Look, joined 2 days ago and is not a JP
fan. What a coincidence.
Quote: EvenBobLook, joined 2 days ago and is not a JP
fan. What a coincidence.
Well spike, you reference the 15 books. Patrick claims that a person using his theories can support a family with a 15 k bankroll, and a pizza delivery job(his specific choice of a profession not mine)
so what impresses you about those 15 books , what words of wisdom, what methods have your read in those 15 books that makes you believe that it can be the basis for a professional carreer.
dont tell me about "losing less". I know he has a theory that after 3 losses in a row, you stop. And that helps people to lose less. And here is a newsflash. Leaving after 2 losses in a row will help you lose even less. But losing less by itself does not put food on the table, pay the rent, or clothe your children. Losing less does not get you out of living in what he calls "hades"
So if he claims his theories can be the driving force to making a living through gambling.........what exactly are in those 15 books specifically that will make that come true?
dont discuss all 15....I didnt expect you to have completely read all 15. I have only read 5 and I have subscribed to his sports service for 6 months.
So pick your 5 favorite books, and tell us the key to success
meanwhile not one person hon his board or here over the years has come on to claim that he/she has made a living with those theories. Quit the day job...and totally supported themselves. Not one
Where are they spike?
count on no hands. Case closed.
Quote: EvenBobAnd the number of books you experts have on Amazon I can
count on no hands. Case closed.
How many books on Amazon do you have Bob? On gambling? Or on assessing gambling experts?
Thought so.
Quote: thecesspitHow many books on Amazon do you have Bob? On gambling? Or on assessing gambling experts?
Thought so.
But I'm not lambasting JP, I'm defending him. He has quite
an accomplishment, 15 books. Could you or I get even one
published? Doubtful.
