Revel promotion sounds too good to be true
sorry "Bhappy" aka "UKstages", your posts & that of your flunkies on TA deny you any credibility
- read them & weep.
Time to find a new client in AC
Quote: camaplIs the necessary software relatively easy to find and affordable? Also, are there versions that run well in Windows, and do they retain most of their efficiencies? I realize programmers tend to use Unix/Linux - just wondering if PC's lose that much functionality... Thanks!
I have always used cygwin to provide a free unix-like environment on windows boxes. Editors, compilers, debuggers, all free.
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Quote: AahzHas ANY casino, ANYWHERE, ever gone broke because of a single player? A single team? 100 players?
Yes. Dieppe, France, 1974, to Al Francesco and Bill Erb.
Quote: http://bj21.com/boards/free/free_board/index.cgi?noframes;read=140688In 1974, Francesco and Erb found a casino in Dieppe, France with 4-deck games dealt literally to the bottom. The casino had only three blackjack tables, with $100 maximums. Over a period of ten days, with each placing max bets of 3 x $100, they had won a combined total of $220,000 (US), when the owner of the casino called off the game, explaining that the house did not have the money to pay them. The players did eventually collect all but about $20K from the casino. According to Francesco, "This is the only instance I know of where two card counters literally put a casino out of business."
Fascinating. Seems to be relatively little info on the 'net about this, but I may just have to track down more of the story.
So, it's been done - once - 30 years ago at a pretty small place, and over $220,000 (roughly $1,039,511.16 in 2013 dollars).
Meanwhile Don Johnson took 3 different casinos for multi-millions of dollars each just a few years back and they're all still in business. Still not too worried about APs using this promo to put Revel under.
Quote: AahzFascinating. Seems to be relatively little info on the 'net about this, but I may just have to track down more of the story.
So, it's been done - once - 30 years ago at a pretty small place, and over $220,000 (roughly $1,039,511.16 in 2013 dollars).
Meanwhile Don Johnson took 3 different casinos for multi-millions of dollars each just a few years back and they're all still in business. Still not too worried about APs using this promo to put Revel under.
Why would anyone care if Revel went under?
Quote: AahzHas ANY casino, ANYWHERE, ever gone broke because of a single player? A single team? 100 players?
You including online casinos? Anyone here remember the Hampton casino debacle?
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/4449401/ns/technology_and_science-internet_roulette/t/bettor-wins-million-net-casino-wont-pay/#.UduakkGTjSg
Basically, this lucky guy deposits $1,000 at an online casino and wins $1.3M. The casino couldn't pay it, ended up having to settle with the poor guy, and was bought by another casino group in a fire sale.
Quote: AahzWhich may explain why a casino that only allows two people to be customers would be a bad idea.
It doesn't matter how much Revel loses to the player in your example, there are thousands of other customers losing money all over the rest of the casino to make up for it.
Has ANY casino, ANYWHERE, ever gone broke because of a single player? A single team? 100 players?
You do realize though that what I used was just an example to show how this works and it would also hold true for all their customers. If normally half your customers lose 10,000 and the other half win 6,000 your doing fine. When you suddenly have half winning 6,000 still and the other half only losing say 5,000 or less your in for a hurting. Used correctly this promo could easily put a major damper on the Revel. I mean for the time expenses stay roughly the same but revenue can easily nosedive.
In exchange, they're offering you a second chance to try to get those funds back - split into 20 portions and spread over 20 weeks. As someone early in this thread stated: it's not a rebate, it's a 5 month loan with a negative interest rate.
Quote: pokerfaceI think the answer is definitely YES in the case of Revel.
Revel will go broke because of a single team, the Revel management team.
Lol
Quote: BhappyThank you Mission. I am sure you have valid reasons to dislike Revel. However, if you latch on to petty responses given by $10/hr employee or her supervisior @ $15/hr, you are trivializing your reasons.
The problem is that the most truthful statement I have had from anyone at Revel is that this promotion was, "Thrown together," and the hasty decision to remove the $25 VP from the floor completely certainly supports that statement.
My problem with those statements is that in a best case scenario, they were wrong and/or the employees were actually answering to something that they didn't know yet. On the other hand, they could have merely been answering with what was true at the time, and then that changed. The worst case scenario, of course, is a deliberate and outright lie...which I actually tend to doubt.
In the best case scenario, you simply have an establishment that didn't know what they were doing before they did it and started answering questions about same. An establishment that merely threw something out there and hoped it would go well. I'm not sure where I heard this phrase initially, but it stuck with me and is a mantra of mine now, "Hope is not a plan."
The first employee I spoke to, herself, did an excellent job providing customer service and being generally knowledgeable. It's a failure of management to either adequately plan for the promotion ahead of time, or to provide the customer service representative with the correct information. For something of this scale, such a failure is unacceptable and reflects poorly upon the establishment.
Prior to these events, I had no reason, valid or otherwise, to specifically dislike Revel. I've never been there. I did believe that they attempted to use their status as AC's only non-smoking casino to compensate in other areas (based on accounts) in which they were seriously lacking. That wasn't going to work, which I predicted. As I had stated, if you are going to go over-and-above in a certain area, or attempt to appeal to a niche market, (the market that adamantly wishes to be in a smoke-free establishment, as opposed to those who smoke, or those who do not, but will deal with it) you still have to ensure that your offerings are comparable in all other areas...inclusive to customer service, Free Play and comps. They did not.
Quote: Mission146... you still have to ensure that your offerings are comparable in all other areas...inclusive to customer service, Free Play and comps. They did not.
Quote: Mission146My problem with those statements is that in a best case scenario, they were wrong and/or the employees were actually answering to something that they didn't know yet. On the other hand, they could have merely been answering with what was true at the time, and then that changed. The worst case scenario, of course, is a deliberate and outright lie...which I actually tend to doubt.
Never underestimate the power of incompetence. Occam's razor, and all that.
3 questions:
1.Are you a VP player? (Your alter ego on TA claims not to be)
2.Are you a non-smoking casino advocate (Revel is a smoking casino)
3.What could possibly be your motivation to post on a VP board pumping a smoking casino?
Quote: dipceThe problem with Revel is that they are not comparable to Borgata: ....no 6/9 JOB
Maybe not in July while they're actively trying to screw over would-be players, but in their defense Revel does usually have 9/6 JOB in denominations from $0.50 to $5.
I don't think the words "stalker" or "troll" best describe your presence here.
The only word that describes the circumstantial evidence is the word "mole".
Quote: NareedI see a pair of suspensions in the near future...
Coming soon to a theater near you.
I encourage 7Stars4Now and BHappy to take this back and forth sniping to PM. Especially 7Stars, as it seems he created an account here for only this purpose.
Quote: Mission146Coming soon to a theater near you.
I encourage 7Stars4Now and BHappy to take this back and forth sniping to PM. Especially 7Stars, as it seems he created an account here for only this purpose.
Thank you Mission. You are a fair man. I will ignore.
I decided to give Revel a second chance directly due to this promo & play it legit this past Sat nite (I'm mainly a slot player- who smokes).
I got to promotions and there was chaos. The servers to track play (&losses) were down - for some reason?. Customers were irate. Many did not realize immediately that there play was not being recorded. As we arrived one player was being escorted out of promotions & outside . There were approx 6 Revel promotions personnel hovering around outside promotions who appeared to have just been hired & had a deer in the headlights look & had no clue what was going on. Finally found one woman who seemed to know what she was talking about & said servers would be down indefinitely in blocks.
Finally found a machine that (hopefully) tracked my card in high limit area. No cocktail service for over 1 in hour high limit area. A guy playing near us had the casino shift manager paged. The casino shift manager arrived and informed the player that this problem should be addressed to the food & beverage manager.
You cannot make this stuff up.
Has anyone had a positive experience with Revel as a result of this promo?
“It's one of those places that are supposed to be very sophisticated and all, and the phonies are coming in the window.”
― J.D. Salinger, The Catcher in the Rye
Quote: 7star4nowHas anyone had a positive experience with Revel as a result of this promo?
I can honestly say I've never had a bad experience there.
Of course, in order to have one I'd have to actually go to new jersey first. and, really, why would I do that? ;)
Quote: 7star4now
I got to promotions and there was chaos. The servers to track play (&losses) were down - for some reason?. Customers were irate. Many did not realize immediately that there play was not being recorded. As we arrived one player was being escorted out of promotions & outside . There were approx 6 Revel promotions personnel hovering around outside promotions who appeared to have just been hired & had a deer in the headlights look & had no clue what was going on. Finally found one woman who seemed to know what she was talking about & said servers would be down indefinitely in blocks.
Wow. That's a tough turn of events, and I imagine some of the players who work steady weekdays were there that Saturday and got positively walloped. Even the casual player understands the value of getting a second chance of it, even if they are playing a terrible game and just going for jackpots.
That's very unfortunate, and I actually feel bad for Revel...assuming the servers weren't, "Down," as opposed to actually being down...for the timing of that one. It's just really horrible timing for something like that to happen. I bet a few people lost pretty big during that stretch...I obviously feel the worst for them.
Quote:Has anyone had a positive experience with Revel as a result of this promo?
Technically, yes. This has been a very active thread, and I like those.
Quote: 7star4now
I got to promotions and there was chaos. The servers to track play (&losses) were down - for some reason?. Customers were irate. Many did not realize immediately that there play was not being recorded.
Servers down almost never means play is not tracked. It just means tracking info is not reaching the back room server, and is stuck on the local machine in memory until systems/communications are restored.
This happens daily at most casinos at the start of the casino day. Don't make a big deal of it.
Quote: 7star4nowThe servers to track play (&losses) were down - for some reason?. Customers were irate. Many did not realize immediately that there play was not being recorded. As we arrived one player was being escorted out of promotions & outside .
If the card was registering in the machine then your play was being tracked regardless of the state of the servers (as LossRebate pointed out). If your card wasn't registering in the machine then this should have been obvious to anyone paying the least bit of attention. So, it seems unlikely that anyone actively playing for the promo would be unaware they were not being tracked.
On the flip side, if the machines actually weren't tracking losses they weren't tracking wins (to offset losses at other times) either, so such a situation could be beneficial for some.
Quote: LossRebateServers down almost never means play is not tracked. It just means tracking info is not reaching the back room server, and is stuck on the local machine in memory until systems/communications are restored.
This happens daily at most casinos at the start of the casino day. Don't make a big deal of it.
RV promotions was telling players losses were not being tracked -for whatever that's worth. I don't think too many players would willingly take the chance even with your knowlege of the technology
Quote: 7star4nowRV promotions was telling players losses were not being tracked -for whatever that's worth. I don't think too many players would willingly take the chance even with your knowlege of the technology
And what prompted people to ask that question?
Quote: AahzAnd what prompted people to ask that question?
I went to promotions to get a card. I saw a guy being escorted out, a bunch of people in front of promotions gathered around the woman who claimed she knew what she was talking about. We asked what was going on & if our play would be recorded .She told us it would not until the server problem was resolved.
Quote: 7star4nowI went to promotions to get a card. I saw a guy being escorted out, a bunch of people in front of promotions gathered around the woman who claimed she knew what she was talking about. We asked what was going on & if our play would be recorded .She told us it would not until the server problem was resolved.
Okay, but that doesn't answer my question. Just because some guy got belligerent, what inspired y'all to ask "if our play would be recorded"?
They must have had some reason to believe their play wasn't being recorded, right? I mean you knew yours wasn't because you didn't have a card. But why would people who had been playing with their card inserted and the machine recognizing it (thus indicating their play WAS being recorded) suddenly be asking if it was?
Quote: AahzOkay, but that doesn't answer my question. Just because some guy got belligerent, what inspired y'all to ask "if our play would be recorded"?
They must have had some reason to believe their play wasn't being recorded, right? I mean you knew yours wasn't because you didn't have a card. But why would people who had been playing with their card inserted and the machine recognizing it (thus indicating their play WAS being recorded) suddenly be asking if it was?
Isn't it pretty obvious that the belligerent guy in the story is screaming "you MFers cheated me by not recording my play!!" as he's being dragged from the property?
Quote: randomperson (on July 2nd - pg 37 of this thread)I kept playing until 3 AM and kept losing, making the total significantly above 10k.
So, if you played this promotion from 12:01am on July 1st on $5 VP (the highest available according to this thread) until 3am on July 2nd, you managed to lose more than $370 hour on $5 video poker for 27 hours straight?
That's what all that learning and memorizing to become an AP gains you? Ouch. I'm shocked anyone can make any money, ever, playing that way.
Quote: rdw4potusIsn't it pretty obvious that the belligerent guy in the story is screaming "you MFers cheated me by not recording my play!!" as he's being dragged from the property?
Not all, I've seen numerous people escorted from various casinos and none were yelling that. If that was what he was yelling then it seems a pretty relevant point to include in the story the first two times it was told. But maybe that's just me <shrug>
Quote: AahzOkay, but that doesn't answer my question. Just because some guy got belligerent, what inspired y'all to ask "if our play would be recorded"?
They must have had some reason to believe their play wasn't being recorded, right? I mean you knew yours wasn't because you didn't have a card. But why would people who had been playing with their card inserted and the machine recognizing it (thus indicating their play WAS being recorded) suddenly be asking if it was?
I wasn't there when the whole thing started. If you have any doubt, call Revel customer service 1-866-468-8961 & ask them if they had any server issues tracking your play this past weekend. The 1st person you speak to will be clueless but please post the first name of a Revel supervisor you spoke to who denies this occurred.
Cheers!
Quote: AahzNot all, I've seen numerous people escorted from various casinos and none were yelling that. If that was what he was yelling then it seems a pretty relevant point to include in the story the first two times it was told. But maybe that's just me <shrug>
I agree that including it would have been a very good idea, but I also think that this detail can fairly be inferred from the info provided. It's the only way that the story comes close to making sense. And, why repeat a nonsensical story multiple times:-)
Quote: rdw4potusI agree that including it would have been a very good idea, but I also think that this detail can fairly be inferred from the info provided. It's the only way that the story comes close to making sense. And, why repeat a nonsensical story multiple times:-)
"I respectfully apologize, good sir, but I am both flabbergasted and confounded at the very notion that the machines at this very fine establishment have not been tracking my losses on this otherwise wonderful evening."
"That's it, you're gone. Guards, get him out of here!"
Quote: Mission146"I respectfully apologize, good sir, but I am both flabbergasted and confounded at the very notion that the machines at this very fine establishment have not been tracking my losses on this otherwise wonderful evening."
"That's it, you're gone. Guards, get him out of here!"
"Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"
Ummmm, it's safer than Mexico.Quote: NareedI'd have to actually go to new jersey first. and, really, why would I do that? ;)
Quote: LossRebateI have always used cygwin to provide a free unix-like environment on windows boxes. Editors, compilers, debuggers, all free.
Right on, LossRebate, thanks for the tip!
Now, back to our regularly scheduled program...
Quote: Mission146"I respectfully apologize, good sir, but I am both flabbergasted and confounded at the very notion that the machines at this very fine establishment have not been tracking my losses on this otherwise wonderful evening."
"That's it, you're gone. Guards, get him out of here!"
"Get a rope!" Oh, sorry, that's what they would say here in Northern NV - they all think they're cowboys! ...But they act so ghetto! I have no problem with either one - it's just an odd combo to me.
Quote: Mission146Coming soon to a theater near you.
I encourage 7Stars4Now and BHappy to take this back and forth sniping to PM. Especially 7Stars, as it seems he created an account here for only this purpose.
I didn't mean to overrule you, but I gave both three days before I saw you went with a warning. I suppose I could unban them, but I think three days each is warranted. Then again, I've been in a foul mood lately.
Quote: NareedI can honestly say I've never had a bad experience there.
Of course, in order to have one I'd have to actually go to new jersey first. and, really, why would I do that? ;)
You could go to New Jersey and actually have a good experience but don't let that stop you from taking a swipe at a place you've never been. You can't believe everything that comes out of the mouths of a couple of washed up late night comics.
Quote: WizardI didn't mean to overrule you, but I gave both three days before I saw you went with a warning. I suppose I could unban them, but I think three days each is warranted. Then again, I've been in a foul mood lately.
Huh?
If I walk around the slots will I be able to recognize people playing the promo? Will they be pounding the heck out of the spin button as in tournaments or will it be business as usual? Will I be able to identify the APs?
Maybe I'll say hello to Jeff Hartmann and tell him how much Mohegan Sun misses him. :-)
Quote: SanchoPanzaUmmmm, it's safer than Mexico.
I'm sure it is.
Do you have a point?
Quote: NareedI'm sure it is.
Do you have a point?
Hmmm...other than safety, what are your reasons for not wanting to visit Jersey? Do you have a dislike of Italian-americans? stray cats? full-service gas stations? :-)
Quote: rdw4potusHmmm...other than safety, what are your reasons for not wanting to visit Jersey? Do you have a dislike of Italian-americans? stray cats? full-service gas stations? :-)
I never claimed it was unsafe.
Quote: rdw4potusHmmm...other than safety, what are your reasons for not wanting to visit Jersey? Do you have a dislike of Italian-americans? stray cats? full-service gas stations? :-)
Big hair?
