Casino boom: How will neighborhoods fare longterm?
(same can be said for casino areas in Detroit and Philly??)
But how about the new casinos in MD, PA, WV and NY?
I only know about the casinos in MD (Maryland Live), and CharlesTown WV. The neighborhoods around them seem decent.
-Maryland Live is located in a good mall and there's new expensive construction nearby. (Hotels/condos)
-THe neighborhood around Charlestown seems ok based on the roads i take to get there.
How do you think the neighborhoods around the new casinos will turn out?
prosper? Decline? Stay the same?
WHY?
I say decline. The casinos will drain the $ from the locals.
that means less $ for local businesses like restaurants. and less $ for upkeep on their houses thus making the neighborhood look rundown.
Quote: 100xOddsAtlantic City was already a ghetto before casinos were allowed in 1976.
(same can be said for casino areas in Detroit and Philly??)
But how about the new casinos in MD, PA, WV and NY?
I only know about the casinos in MD (Maryland Live), and CharlesTown WV. The neighborhoods around them seem decent.
-Maryland Live is located in a good mall and there's new expensive construction nearby. (Hotels/condos)
-THe neighborhood around Charlestown seems ok based on the roads i take to get there.
How do you think the neighborhoods around the new casinos will turn out?
prosper? Decline? Stay the same?
WHY?
I say decline. The casinos will drain the $ from the locals.
that means less $ for local businesses like restaurants. and less $ for upkeep on their houses thus making the neighborhood look rundown.
In and near Pittsburgh:
Rivers is part of a long-term revival of the area. New ballparks, science museum, clubs, and other attractions with a nice walkway slong the river as a backdrop. The area should gentrify more over time given its close proximity to downtown and the jobs there. It is a cheaper alternative to the south side if town which is already gentrified and has lots of nightlife.
Meadows is a "country" casino with little residential and surrounding businesses are just highway off-ramp variety.
Quote: 100xOddsAtlantic City was already a ghetto before casinos were allowed in 1976.
(same can be said for casino areas in Detroit and Philly??)
But how about the new casinos in MD, PA, WV and NY?
I only know about the casinos in MD (Maryland Live), and CharlesTown WV. The neighborhoods around them seem decent.
-Maryland Live is located in a good mall and there's new expensive construction nearby. (Hotels/condos)
-THe neighborhood around Charlestown seems ok based on the roads i take to get there.
How do you think the neighborhoods around the new casinos will turn out?
prosper? Decline? Stay the same?
WHY?
I say decline. The casinos will drain the $ from the locals.
that means less $ for local businesses like restaurants. and less $ for upkeep on their houses thus making the neighborhood look rundown.
Harrah's Philadelphia is in one of the worst neighborhoods in the country, and Sugarhouse is kind of in no-man's-land sort of but not really downtown. But Parx is in a decent middle-class area, and Valley Forge is in an upper middle-class neighborhood (correction: in a commercial park near an upper-middle class area).
Makes no sense.
Local businesses can't compete with a casino: barber shops, restaurants, etc.
Females want to recoup their losses, particularly the ones their spouses don't know about. Just how do you think they are going to be going about that little task if any thing other than the time honored way. Men who lose their money will beat their wives and fail to pay the rent/mortgage, but the casino is not saddled with such expenses.
Quote: FleaStiffWhy should one business be held accountable for "the neighborhood". Bars contribute to wife beatings but are not charged for it in some civil accounting scheme and don't have to support an alcoholic abuse program at the courthouse. Churches contribute to crowds and street crimes but don't pay for burglaries and vandalism. Lottery vendors don't pay for layabouts hanging around all day. Food stamp merchants don't pay for the abuse... but along comes a casino and suddenly everyone is talking about the neighborhood.
Local businesses can't compete with a casino: barber shops, restaurants, etc.
Females want to recoup their losses, particularly the ones their spouses don't know about. Just how do you think they are going to be going about that little task if any thing other than the time honored way. Men who lose their money will beat their wives and fail to pay the rent/mortgage, but the casino is not saddled with such expenses.
Hundreds of million lost by players or made by one casino presents a big impact. These other businesses are part of a real economy which offers much more employment and economic activity than casinos do for all the money taken in. The responsibilities of using revenue for gambling problems are part of compromises to get casinos passed. Truthfully I bet casinos are happy to pay into whatever funds they do and they choose wisely giving the money somewhere corrupt to their interests. You will not see casino money questioning the casinos, but will see them blaming the gamblers as the only way. If there weren't casinos, there would not be nearly as many problem gamblers because gambling with friends and the mob are limited in their power. The problems would still exist, but on vastly smaller scales.
I'm not really in agreement with those examples you gave to be absolute facts. Serving someone who is intoxicated is generally a crime bars pay for. I'm not seeing what churches may do to be unique from other businesses gathering crowds and don't see any correlation to criminal activity. Businesses can be shut down for being nuisances and attracting criminals, so the lotto example is out. Merchants can be fined and sent to jail for food stamp abuse.
I really don't see prostitution to be a byproduct of gambling addiction, but prostitutes are there for the money. If any addiction is the root cause, it's normally a drug addiction to feed. I think gambling addicts are more likely to steal, embezzle and commit fraud to get their money. Nonetheless, the casinos rarely are accountable for this. It's probably about political influence they are not, because that would be too costly to make sure the dollars shoved in are actually the patrons personal money and not stolen property. Obviously, there could be a system to report players suspected of not having means to gamble as they might, but this would take too much money from the casinos.
Monies were to be set aside to pay for this but funny thing ... it never really happened.
Blame the political corruption endemic in the Garden State for this failure, which given the link of AC casinos to organized crime is not at all surprising.
No matter what, casinos attract an element of crime and desparation. Gamblers who have excess money looking for a "fun time" attract prostitutes/escort services, drug dealers. Lowlife gamblers attract loan sharks, pawn shops, massage parlors, low level drugs and low level prostitutes. As these commerical enterprises open (legal or not), some middle/upper class residents will not want to live in this neighborhood and they will move, selling their house for less than what it was worth before the casino was planned. Property prices are driven down, and this attracts in lower classes of people who can afford to live in them, which accelerates the departure of the middle class. For the chronic gamblers, living there gives them the opportunity to walk to their destination. For the drug dealers and prostitute, it's better to walk the area than have to be transported to the area. Eventually anyone with a middle class job or better who is not a gamlbing addict avoids the area.
Of course zoning and enforcement mitigates this. If you build the casino in the middle of an already vibrant entertainment district surrounded by hotels it will be more successful because the neighborhood has already been changed. But there will always be a negative.
AC's planning was terrible. Essentially, there was a row of casinos put up with nothing else to mitigate the effect. That left free enterprise to kill Atlantic street with all of the low life shops and the residential neighbourhoods now cut off from the beach and the sun (eastern light) were the least desirable places to live in the south of the state.
Quote: boymimbo... Atlantic street with all of the low life shops and the residential neighbourhoods now cut off from the beach and the sun (eastern light) were the least desirable places to live in the south of the state.
Uh, no ... Camden is worse.
Heck ain't nobody ever believed it would revitalize anything but graft. Politicians been talkin' 'bout a chicken in every pot for eons. Don't nobody never listen to 'em.Quote: MrVThe thing that people tend to forget is that from the very beginning, the promoters and politicians in NJ said that casinos WOULD revitalize AC.
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Resorts World, in Queens NY, opened in October, 2011.
There are now three pawn shops located adjacent to and directly across the street from the main entrance.
I expect the long term effect on the local and surrounding neighborhoods will be negative..
It's surprising that there weren't already pawn shops near the Aqueduct. Horse bettors don't fall on hard times as much as slot players, I guess?
