Boz
Boz
Joined: Sep 22, 2011
  • Threads: 153
  • Posts: 5373
April 10th, 2013 at 2:59:44 PM permalink
If you could predict the sector, plenty of money to be made betting the 6-8 numbers in the area. If this worked even 25 percent of the time, you could break a casino in days. Is 25 percent accuracy in an 8 number range too much to ask?

Nothing else we talk about would give the player who can do this, an advantage of this level.
EvenBob
EvenBob
Joined: Jul 18, 2010
  • Threads: 418
  • Posts: 22733
April 10th, 2013 at 3:01:39 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Is 25 percent accuracy in an 8 number range too much to ask?
.



Nope, in fact thats right in the ballpark.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
Boz
Boz
Joined: Sep 22, 2011
  • Threads: 153
  • Posts: 5373
April 10th, 2013 at 3:09:29 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Nope, in fact thats right in the ballpark.



I am not questioning if it has happened,, but you and I both know an advantage like that beats everything we discuss daily. Still I would like to see it, just like you and I want to see any proof of DI.
Zcore13
Zcore13
Joined: Nov 30, 2009
  • Threads: 35
  • Posts: 3320
April 10th, 2013 at 3:55:06 PM permalink
I understand the theory and understand what it would take to beat the game, but I still don't think it's possible to beat the game in the long run. I've been around a lot of casinos, casino people and game protection information and I've never had one instance or heard one conversation about this being a concern.

ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
Sabretom2
Sabretom2
Joined: Mar 3, 2013
  • Threads: 11
  • Posts: 718
April 10th, 2013 at 4:03:46 PM permalink
Let me try this.....WOW!
vendman1
vendman1
Joined: Mar 12, 2012
  • Threads: 8
  • Posts: 1032
April 10th, 2013 at 5:22:58 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

This is not a topic I know much about, but I am much less skeptical about wheel clocking than dice influence. As I understand it, this is a very difficult skill to master. I think it is also combined with careful wheel selection and making very late bets. I don't necessarily believe in it either, I'm just going off of third- and fourth-hand chatter in the AP world. This may disagree with other posts of mine, but information has come my way recently changing my opinion somewhat.



There was a "Breaking Vegas", episode about some MIT guys who built a real primitive computer to help them wheel clock. As I recall it actually worked, up to a point, they actually made some money; but eventually decided it just wasn't worth the time.
MathExtremist
MathExtremist
Joined: Aug 31, 2010
  • Threads: 88
  • Posts: 6526
April 10th, 2013 at 5:39:56 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

If you could predict the sector, plenty of money to be made betting the 6-8 numbers in the area. If this worked even 25 percent of the time, you could break a casino in days. Is 25 percent accuracy in an 8 number range too much to ask?

Nothing else we talk about would give the player who can do this, an advantage of this level.


http://edwardothorp.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/inforthecounteot-i.pdf
page 28, Thorp's roulette computer.

There is no dispute that a computer can clock a wheel. The only question is whether a human can with sufficient accuracy to overcome the edge.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
Wizard
Administrator
Wizard 
Joined: Oct 14, 2009
  • Threads: 1196
  • Posts: 19962
April 10th, 2013 at 5:56:40 PM permalink
Quote: vendman1

There was a "Breaking Vegas", episode about some MIT guys who built a real primitive computer to help them wheel clock.



Yes, I saw that one. I don't think it is in dispute that with the aid of a camera and computer clocking roulette could be done.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
Zcore13
Zcore13
Joined: Nov 30, 2009
  • Threads: 35
  • Posts: 3320
April 10th, 2013 at 5:59:11 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Yes, I saw that one. I don't think it is in dispute that with the aid of a camera and computer clocking roulette could be done.



Do doubt. Computer aid at anything can probably overcome the house advantage. You might even be able to get a robot to throw the dice perfectly every time, barely hit the back and rest nicely. That can't be a factor in what we are talking about. It should be a given that no casino is going to allow computer aid.

ZCore13
I am an employee of a Casino. All the personal opinions I post are my own and do not represent the opinions of the Casino or Tribe that I work for.
Nareed
Nareed
Joined: Nov 11, 2009
  • Threads: 373
  • Posts: 11413
April 10th, 2013 at 6:14:20 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

It should be a given that no casino is going to allow computer aid.



You're undoubtedly right. But these days it could be done, perhaps.

the Eudomonics team used a cumbersome system which required inputs by a player, and used relays to indicate the result (I think it gave an octant number). That was the state of the art back then. These days it might be possible to conceal a camera and a display in a pair of glasses, and to relay inputs and results with bluetooth. Not to mention today's gear is a lot more reliable.

There was a Mission: Impossible! episode, in the show's first run in the 60s, using such a strategem. The gear was impossibly compact for the time (it fit in Cinnamon's everning clutch) and displyed the exact number (on a calendar watch, no less!). Dramatization and exaggeration aside, it was perfectly feasible as science fiction. (great show, BTW).

In fact I'd be surprised is no one else has attempted something similar since the late 60s or early 70s until now. Even with manual inputs, it could be done with relative ease if you posses the know-how.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal

  • Jump to: