March 24th, 2013 at 7:49:18 PM
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I was working on some simulations for Roulette when I noticed something. I was able to adjust my bankroll and betting numbers to beat the house edge of %5.263157. This makes no sense to me so I'm going to throw it out there and see what the Math people think. Here are the rules:
Start with a bankroll of $540
Betting $10 on a single number each spin and no other bets, keep betting until your bankroll is greater than $540 or you hit 120 spins (about 4 hours) or you walk away with nothing.
In the spoiler is my simulated results. I ran this many times and came up with very tight numbers. The losing percentage is %3.36 instead of the expected %5.26 or more.
What am I missing?
By the way, %70 of the time, you will walk away from the table a winner.
edit: After some more fine tuning, I got the loss down to %2.06. the rules for that are
Bankroll: $1440
Play until you a: lose it all b: reach 152 spins or if after a win, your bankroll is larger than $1440
Start with a bankroll of $540
Betting $10 on a single number each spin and no other bets, keep betting until your bankroll is greater than $540 or you hit 120 spins (about 4 hours) or you walk away with nothing.
In the spoiler is my simulated results. I ran this many times and came up with very tight numbers. The losing percentage is %3.36 instead of the expected %5.26 or more.
What am I missing?
Winnings | Total Count of This Result | Average Number of Spins | Percentage |
---|---|---|---|
0 | 620966 | 59.9219 | 28.388665307654 |
60 | 23460 | 120 | 1.072519410269 |
420 | 8279 | 120 | 0.378490545508 |
550 | 28519 | 42.9513 | 1.303801409270 |
560 | 29856 | 41.8436 | 1.364924957928 |
570 | 30091 | 41.0863 | 1.375668438807 |
580 | 31205 | 40.1333 | 1.426597109866 |
590 | 31757 | 38.9863 | 1.451832860696 |
600 | 32457 | 38.017 | 1.483834718632 |
610 | 33980 | 36.9278 | 1.553461618114 |
620 | 34423 | 35.9022 | 1.573714222494 |
630 | 35524 | 35.0545 | 1.624048573334 |
640 | 36254 | 34.0025 | 1.657421939468 |
650 | 37673 | 33.1531 | 1.722294277199 |
660 | 38511 | 32.1393 | 1.760605072843 |
670 | 39128 | 31.0533 | 1.788812424767 |
680 | 40725 | 29.9249 | 1.861822377802 |
690 | 41927 | 29.0926 | 1.916774139572 |
700 | 42954 | 27.9318 | 1.963725436859 |
710 | 43951 | 27.0042 | 2.009305225949 |
720 | 44493 | 25.7101 | 2.034083807379 |
730 | 45478 | 24.1774 | 2.079114993190 |
740 | 46315 | 22.8969 | 2.117380071894 |
750 | 46700 | 21.6627 | 2.134981093759 |
760 | 47600 | 20.2539 | 2.176126339677 |
770 | 48710 | 18.6864 | 2.226872142976 |
780 | 49358 | 17.9254 | 2.256496720038 |
790 | 50398 | 16.4924 | 2.304042337543 |
800 | 51409 | 14.9208 | 2.350262163791 |
810 | 51688 | 13.5258 | 2.363017190026 |
820 | 52476 | 12.1059 | 2.399042138675 |
830 | 53698 | 10.6229 | 2.454908239244 |
840 | 54361 | 9.14431 | 2.485218570403 |
850 | 55063 | 7.63088 | 2.517311862220 |
860 | 55804 | 6.19081 | 2.551188114692 |
870 | 56486 | 4.63538 | 2.582367067710 |
880 | 57494 | 3.13146 | 2.628449743139 |
890 | 58202 | 1.57091 | 2.660817336595 |
By the way, %70 of the time, you will walk away from the table a winner.
edit: After some more fine tuning, I got the loss down to %2.06. the rules for that are
Bankroll: $1440
Play until you a: lose it all b: reach 152 spins or if after a win, your bankroll is larger than $1440
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
March 24th, 2013 at 8:14:18 PM
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You are missing your net$ column and total $wagered column
Your data looks right to me.
Seems to me you are not calculating the house edge
trying to mix in win/lose percentages
house edge = $net / total$wagered
I get (from your data)
$net = -$39,643,330
total$wagered = $743,223,214
he = -0.053339736 *100 = -5.3339736%
very close to -2/38
Your data looks right to me.
Seems to me you are not calculating the house edge
trying to mix in win/lose percentages
house edge = $net / total$wagered
I get (from your data)
$net = -$39,643,330
total$wagered = $743,223,214
he = -0.053339736 *100 = -5.3339736%
very close to -2/38
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
March 24th, 2013 at 8:25:29 PM
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My calculation for total bet is incorrect. Thanks. Once I straightened that out, it all fell into place.Quote: 7crapsYou are missing your net$ column and total $wagered column
Your data looks right to me.
Seems to me you are not calculating the house edge
trying to mix in win/lose percentages
house edge = $net / total$wagered
I get (from your data)
$net = -$39,643,330
total$wagered = $743,223,214
he = -0.053339736 *100 = -5.3339736%
very close to -2/38
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez
March 24th, 2013 at 8:55:51 PM
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That 2.06% looks to be your bust rate.Quote: s2dbakeredit: After some more fine tuning, I got the loss down to %2.06. the rules for that are
Bankroll: $1440
Play until you a: lose it all b: reach 152 spins or if after a win, your bankroll is larger than $1440
What about the 5% sessions ending bankroll of $280
7.8% at $640 and so on. About 22% or so look to be losing sessions.
Good you found an error.
I do that a lot myself
winsome johnny (not Win some johnny)
March 25th, 2013 at 2:30:28 AM
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A second set of eyes always helps.Quote: 7crapsThat 2.06% looks to be your bust rate.
What about the 5% sessions ending bankroll of $280
7.8% at $640 and so on. About 22% or so look to be losing sessions.
Good you found an error.
I do that a lot myself
Yes, 22% are losing and the rest are winning. My goal was to calculate an outcome most likely to produce a winner while also providing at least a few dozen spins. A friend of mine plays roulette and I wanted to show him that he could walk away a winner most of the time and still have enough spins for a fun evening of gambling. He likes to bet red and black and single numbers. I had some "data" that was pointing to a lower than expected loss so I thought I'd bring the question here.
Someday, joor goin' to see the name of Googie Gomez in lights and joor goin' to say to joorself, "Was that her?" and then joor goin' to answer to joorself, "That was her!" But you know somethin' mister? I was always her yuss nobody knows it! - Googie Gomez