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EvenBob
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January 28th, 2013 at 3:58:44 PM permalink
Google has brought me to my knee's and crying
like a new born baby. I use Google a lot, maybe
10 times a day. In the last 2 weeks they have put
all these paid ads at the top and bottom of the
list that comes up. And they don't just appear at
once, they click in over a 5 sec interval. So if you
try and click the article you want near the top,
you'll instead click one of their moronic ads.

You have wait till everything has loaded, its a real
pain in the ass. Don't say use Bing, that sucks
worse than donkey urine..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
sodawater
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January 28th, 2013 at 4:10:56 PM permalink
install adblock.
rainman
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January 28th, 2013 at 4:16:14 PM permalink
I have been using Bing its just as good IMO.
thecesspit
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January 28th, 2013 at 4:22:10 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Google has brought me to my knee's and crying
like a new born baby. I use Google a lot, maybe
10 times a day. In the last 2 weeks they have put
all these paid ads at the top and bottom of the
list that comes up. And they don't just appear at
once, they click in over a 5 sec interval. So if you
try and click the article you want near the top,
you'll instead click one of their moronic ads.

You have wait till everything has loaded, its a real
pain in the ass. Don't say use Bing, that sucks
worse than donkey urine..



I'd recommend ad-block plus. It might not help this issue though.

(snip : edited, because its supposition)
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
EvenBob
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January 28th, 2013 at 4:24:37 PM permalink
I just installed Firefox Adblock and I'm still
seeing some ads on Google. If I search for Ford,
for instance, at the top of the list of found items
there will be 5 ads for Ford and 5 more at the
bottom of the list. You don't see any?
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
sodawater
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January 28th, 2013 at 4:28:22 PM permalink
Just searched for Ford using adblock and safari and got 0 google ads. come to think of it, i haven't seen a google ad in years.

you might try upgrading to a modern browser like chrome or safari and see if that helps.
thecesspit
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January 28th, 2013 at 4:30:41 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I just installed Firefox Adblock and I'm still
seeing some ads on Google. If I search for Ford,
for instance, at the top of the list of found items
there will be 5 ads for Ford and 5 more at the
bottom of the list. You don't see any?



Nope, I see two related ads. I'll post screen shot in minute.

Here we go...



Obviously using google.ca

(hosted on : http://www.anony.ws/index.php which help anonymize images if you want to keep things at arms length, which is a good idea at times)
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
thecesspit
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January 28th, 2013 at 4:33:23 PM permalink
Quote: sodawater

Just searched for Ford using adblock and safari and got 0 google ads. come to think of it, i haven't seen a google ad in years.

you might try upgrading to a modern browser like chrome or safari and see if that helps.



Firefox IS a modern browser. It's probably the second best out there, and not by much behind Chrome.

Safari is a piece of crap, technically speaking. It's also not supported any more for Windows. Fine for MacOS, and it does the job. Just hate developing to deal with it's quirks.
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sodawater
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January 28th, 2013 at 4:42:12 PM permalink
here's my screenshot. no ads at all.

EvenBob
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January 28th, 2013 at 4:54:40 PM permalink
I did a search for Ford and there are 4 ads
at the top and 4 at the bottom. I switched
to the VPN with an IP in London, and there
are totally different ads, none for Ford.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
thecesspit
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January 28th, 2013 at 5:08:34 PM permalink
It -smells- like something is adding those ads in, that isn't Google search, but I'm not convinced, and couldn't tell without looking at the raw html and the set up you have. I assume the ads look a bit like the two at the top of the page I showed?
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
rainman
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January 28th, 2013 at 5:12:24 PM permalink
Download and install any software lately?
EvenBob
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January 28th, 2013 at 5:30:57 PM permalink
Its better since I installed AdBlock. Yes, there's something
going on with my computer. Certain text words are highlighted
now here, and everywhere, and when the cursor is over
them a balloon pops up with an ad in it.

In Rainman's post, the word 'install' is in blue
and has ad balloon for my credit score in it
when the cursor is over it.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
rainman
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January 28th, 2013 at 5:39:10 PM permalink
Classic adware Bob If you downloaded and installed anything recently look there. Check add remove programs and pull task manager up and see whats running.
dwheatley
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January 28th, 2013 at 7:53:22 PM permalink
You have a Google account EvenBob? The more Google knows about you, the more personalized the ads get, and sometimes, the less you see. You can manage the nature of those ads through profile
Wisdom is the quality that keeps you out of situations where you would otherwise need it
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January 28th, 2013 at 8:01:22 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

Nope, I see two related ads. I'll post screen shot in minute.

Here we go...



Obviously using google.ca

(hosted on : http://www.anony.ws/index.php which help anonymize images if you want to keep things at arms length, which is a good idea at times)




See that little i with the circle around it next to the words "Ads related to ford"? Click it. it'll tell you how to get rid of the ads! ;o)
AxiomOfChoice
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January 29th, 2013 at 3:09:17 AM permalink
Bob:

You probably have some malware installed on your computer. The ads that you are describing are not what Google ads look like. You might be able to block these ads with adblock, but you should really get rid of the malware. Who knows what else it's doing? Stolen ad traffic is worth a lot more than a few credit card numbers, so most likely it isn't trying to steal any information, but who knows? It's worthwhile to clean out all the crap.

You might want to start with HijackThis. It is legit and extremely powerful; you can read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HijackThis. Just be careful with it; don't change anything without someone who knows what they are doing taking a look. It definitely gives you enough rope to hang yourself with.
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January 29th, 2013 at 4:25:05 AM permalink
You could try adding -ads to your search. I got two different result sets searching for "ford" and "ford -ads". The minus sign excludes things from the search results, so for example if you want to exlude ads, travel and wiki, you could search for something like "vegas -ads -wiki -travel". Still kind of a pain, though.
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January 29th, 2013 at 4:49:30 AM permalink
sodawater, that screen shot you gave us of Google results does indeed have a paid ad at top -- the Ford listing is a paid ad.

When google has a paying advertiser who's paid for certain "keywords" and you search for those keywords, the paid ad will come at the top of google's search results. that's how google makes its money.

if you searched for "alan mendelson + current tv shows" you will probably see "paid ads" above the listing for me. I just looked and the paid ads are for:
televisionfanatic.com
phearcreative.com
peoplesmart.com

we as consumers of google have no way to control this. if google has a paid advertiser buying those "key words" the paid advertiser will come up first. in my example, the first two advertisers probably bought the keywords "current tv shows" and people smart probably bought a multitude of names as key words.

Now, if you made a very "exact search" the number of paid ads would diminish dramatically. For example, let's take a sentence from a post on this forum. I will use this sentence: "I get the impression that this is a well informed bunch.....what's the verdict on the concept of "dice control"...... " You will find this sentence in the first post of the thread "dice control" which appears here: https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/craps/12600-dice-control/

When you enter that sentence "I get the impression that this is a well informed bunch.....what's the verdict on the concept of "dice control"...... " in google no paid ads appear before the search result that takes you to the dice control page on this site, and this is because no one seems to have bought those keywords.

I am a big critic of "search engine optimization companies" because they are all selling what amounts to a "lie." I can tell any business how to become #1 on google search results without paying anyone a dime for SEO or search engine optimization. All you have to do is search for a phrase that is unique to your own website and you will show up as #1. And that's what SEO companies do. They flood a client's website with "key phrases" that no one else uses, and then they say "search for xxxx xxxx xxxx and you will se that you are #1... and now pay us $1,000 a month."
rainman
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January 29th, 2013 at 5:07:19 AM permalink
I just did a bing search for Alan Mendelson and it came back with world famous dice influencer :)
sodawater
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January 29th, 2013 at 5:49:56 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

sodawater, that screen shot you gave us of Google results does indeed have a paid ad at top -- the Ford listing is a paid ad.



I'm not sure what you mean. The ford.com result is an organic search listing, not a paid ad. It makes sense that ford.com is the #1 result for the search "ford."
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January 29th, 2013 at 6:10:37 AM permalink
Quote: sodawater

I'm not sure what you mean. The ford.com result is an organic search listing, not a paid ad. It makes sense that ford.com is the #1 result for the search "ford."



I believe that if the "Ford Restaurant" paid google more, it would be listed number 1. I am guessing that Ford Motor Company pays google quite a bit to make sure that does not happen. I do not believe google has to inform you when the top listing is a paid ad or not.
AlanMendelson
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January 29th, 2013 at 6:32:23 AM permalink
Quote: sodawater

I'm not sure what you mean. The ford.com result is an organic search listing, not a paid ad. It makes sense that ford.com is the #1 result for the search "ford."



It's not an organic listing. Look at it. Organic listings on google do not look like that. To see organic listings, do "Alan Mendelson TV Show." I just did and there are no paid ads on that page. Quite frankly, no one thinks my name is worth anything. LOL

I don't do any paid ads, by the way, so anything that shows me and my TV show are strictly organic.

On your screen shot page, the results for Wikipedia, USA Today, CNET and LA Times are all organic, and not paid.
sodawater
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January 29th, 2013 at 7:09:12 AM permalink
are you saying it's not organic because it has sub-listings? google does that in organic results so users can click on deeper links and save time. it doesn't mean it's not organic. frankly i am pretty sure the result is organic
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January 29th, 2013 at 7:28:40 AM permalink
Quote: sodawater

are you saying it's not organic because it has sub-listings? google does that in organic results so users can click on deeper links and save time. it doesn't mean it's not organic. frankly i am pretty sure the result is organic



I just don't think that is an organic listing. I think that is a paid display ad. I could be wrong so if someone knows for sure, please tell.

take a look at this page from Google Adwords -- the advertising plan. See the example of paid ads highlighted in blue:

http://www.google.com/ads/searchads/

EDITED TO ADD:

sodawater, you might be correct. that ford display of different sections might indeed be an organic listing. I just did a google search for my website and it also breaks down my site to major sections like the ford listing does, and I do NO paid advertising.

So indeed that could very well be an organic listing. I just read over Googles advice to advertisers and it indicates the paid content should appear in a section that is marked as paid content. So, I am now a bit confused by the whole thing based on some other posts.
sodawater
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January 29th, 2013 at 7:34:10 AM permalink
yes but those are for the ads, not the search results. the search results are separate from the ads you can buy through google's many advertising platforms.

now whether or not the actual organic results are "influenced," we have no way to know. but it makes perfect sense that ford.com be #1 for the search term ford so I'm pretty sure that listing hasn't been gamed.
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January 29th, 2013 at 8:56:10 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Certain text words are highlighted
now here, and everywhere, and when the cursor is over
them a balloon pops up with an ad in it.

In Rainman's post, the word 'install' is in blue
and has ad balloon for my credit score in it
when the cursor is over it.



Hover the cursor over the "link" and it should indicate something like "Shopping Companion"
You cannot disable this browser helper, go to Control Panel, Add/Remove Programs and uninstall.
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January 29th, 2013 at 9:00:28 AM permalink
Quote: mwalz9

See that little I with the circle around it next to the words "Ads related to ford"? Click it. it'll tell you how to get rid of the ads! ;o)



Indeed. The standard google ads hardly ever bother me. I've been known to click on them, especially when searching for something commercial. Someone's gotta pay google for my email and other services...

EvenBob's issue sounded a lot like a ad-ware device, which is why I added screen shots to see if they were like or unlike what he was seeing. As he's getting pop ups on here, that certainly means something is fubar'd on his install.
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