MIKE JUST QUIT THE RADIO SHOW!
....and now the Wiz has spoken, so you are definitely right!!
Quote: WizardMost of my income comes from advertising. i.e. Bovada/Bodog.
I wish your key advertiser would not freeze my browser up for the ~minute after I accidentally click the link (maybe chrome sucks on Bovada or they frontload too much stuff on the page?). I'm obviously more patient if I use it to check some random sporting line.
Quote: WizardYes, yesterday was my last show. The reason is I have spread myself too thin, which is causing me too much stress. I also need to spend more time with the family. In addition to the radio show I will be cutting way back on consulting work, keeping only what few existing clients I like. Fortunately, Munch was immediately available and willing to do the show again. We all plan that I will return frequently as a guest or substitute host. The parting was on good terms. I think the Bob bashing is going too far and mean spirited.
I enjoyed the year I did the show, but I didn't make much money from it, and it was more time consuming that how it may seem on the air. Thanks to everyone who listened to the show.
I have to say, I know that you and Bob are friends, but there is a reason for the bashing. He is just not a very good radio host. This is not meant to be mean-spirited; just an honest assessment. The problem is that it's his show, and he is obviously never going to replace himself, even though he is always the weak link.
show. Now that its Dancer and Munchkin,
with one of them phoning it in from the
bottom of a well pit, it will be Dancer bragging
about his VP accomplishments again half the
time, or talking about VP in general, and
Munchkin hanging on his every word, or
pretending to, and some lame guest in the
middle to fill in the spaces. You know, VP
machine designers and repairmen, and the
like. Oh well, thats an hour a week I can do
something else now.
Quote: WizardMost of my income comes from advertising. i.e. Bovada/Bodog.
WHAT?!
oh.. u also get a % of the rake like poker sites used to do when players sign up thru your banner?
(i think i got like 23% from Party Poker or one of it's flavors)
I would suggest to the show that the other host balance this out by trying to bring in more table-game-related news/promotions/etc. It may be that there are just more promotions out there for VP players as they tend to get lumped in with slots players. Also, the math on evaluating promotions can be much easier for VP, as generally you know the EXACT comp rate, whereas with table games it is usually a nebulous, proprietary formula. Regardless, I think there should be more balance.
Given that Munch doesn't even live in Vegas, probably not going to happen any time soon!
Quote: AcesAndEightsEspecially in the section toward the end of the show, where Bob runs down all the various point-multipliers, promotional giveaways, etc. running around town.
Yes, well, that's the sponsors' times and listings. You must have noticed there are no commercial breaks? They come, mostly, near the end when Bob lets you know what South Point and the Palms have going.
If you do a podcast that's even moderately successful, you can get some money promoting Audible. All you have to do is give up a minute or so to guide your listeners to the podcast-related promo, and recommend a book or two.
Quote: NareedYes, well, that's the sponsors' times and listings. You must have noticed there are no commercial breaks? They come, mostly, near the end when Bob lets you know what South Point and the Palms have going.
If you do a podcast that's even moderately successful, you can get some money promoting Audible. All you have to do is give up a minute or so to guide your listeners to the podcast-related promo, and recommend a book or two.
I suppose you're mostly right, as I am zoning out, but I feel like he also frequently talks about other promotions, NOT from the South Point and the Palms, just because he figures them to be +EV or close for other VP players. But this may be a small fraction compared to the ads, which I understand are what keep the show on the air. Again, zoned out :)
Quote: AcesAndEightsI suppose you're mostly right, as I am zoning out, but I feel like he also frequently talks about other promotions, NOT from the South Point and the Palms, just because he figures them to be +EV or close for other VP players.
Maybe. I haven't listened since November or so. It gets fuzzy after a while. But I recall they discussed the free-play offer from the Riviera, lo these many months ago.
Quote: ParadigmRecall that Wiz won the WoV NFL pick challenge going 70% against the spread this season.....my guess is that he wasn't just making those picks for the forum challenge and that likely made him a few "real $$" at sports books around Vegas....I keep thinking about that percentage against the spread, it is unbelievable except for the fact it was layed out before our eyes each week.
By the way, great job again to Mission.....I am going to need to find some time next season to get involved so I can show off how the average guy can easily go 42% against the spread ;-)!!
Paradigm,
Thanks! I agree, The Wiz picked out of his mind this year! I was involved in a similar game at a telemarketing place where I used to be a supervisor...the Rules weren't exactly the same as you could pick as many (or as few, including zero) games as you wanted week-to-week as long as you had picked at least forty total games by the end of Week 17. We used the Odds published in the USA Today on Friday and made our Picks (if any) on that day.
The year that I won that one had me going 29-18 for .617, and most of those guys all work for a different telemarketing place now, and my .551 for this year would have won in a field of twelve, but one of the Rules (even at the old telemarketing place) was you had to work there as of Week 1 to enter the game.
I do hope you'll play next year, though! Everyone seemed to enjoy the game.
Next someone is gonna suggest that Mike was taking "homeless tips" type notes when Teddys was the guest. Sheesh!
For about seven months I hosted a one hour talk show on KABC Radio here in LA, and unlike Mike, I wasn't paid a dime to do it. It was a "trade out" between me and the station. The station got an hour show, and I got an hour to promote my TV shows and to reach a new, radio audience. I gave it up after 7 months because the "extra radio audience" really didn't help my TV business at all. It took me about three hours of prep work each week to do my one hour show, too, and I didn't have to go to the station to do it. My editor and I did the show from our studio and just sent it to KABC over the Internet.
To be honest -- radio is dead. Whatever can be broadcast over the radio can now be "broadcast" over the Internet and this is why Internet radio and Internet TV are replacing broadcast. What is really advantageous about Internet broadcasting is that no government license is required and there is no limited frequency space on a dial to contend with. If you have a website, you can have your own radio or TV station. In fact, if you don't have your own website you can still be on someone else's website with your own radio or TV station. And the internet is now "mobile" which just about puts it at a level playing field with broadcast.
Our friend Ahigh is now taking the first step towards having his own "Craps TV Station."
In the not too distant future, Mike might elect to turn this website into a video website and these forums could be video forums with each of us posting our comments visually and aurally using those little cameras in our desktops and laptops. And its already possible to have on camera group discussions so those of us who want to debate Ahigh about craps could get together via a "meeting website" and talk about it on camera and watch each other drink beer and eat pretzels as we do.
I don't know Mike but it wouldn't surprise me if he has already investigated making his websites video sites because that's the way all media is going -- visually and over the Internet.
Spectrum once reserved strictly for broadcast by the government is now being reassigned for digital use including data for wireless Internet. Even traditional radio and TV stations are now putting their content online because even they can see the writing on the wall.
Sirius FM is slowly adding market share, being in 50+ million cars this year. Radio and TV content is all over the internet. If I miss a show, I can watch it online. If I miss a radio program, I can find a podcast usually or a mp3 of the show.
However, internet content isn't in cars really. For music, there's your mobile device which you usually plug into your car.
However, I spend a great time in my car while driving listening to local radio. I do that so I can keep up to date on the news and the community. I like to have information pushed to me rather than me go looking for it. If I have more interest, I'll happily research it more online. It's called keeping an open mind. Sometimes, just for fun, I'll throw on Rush or Hannity if I want to listen to comedy.
It's the same on this site. I go on this site looking at the forums for things that interest me, but occasionally there will be nuggets that interest me.
The problem is that if people just simply go out and look at things that interest them, they won't find things that *may* interest them.
It's actually easier these days to watch stuff broadcast online sometimes than it is to watch over-the-air broadcast stuff.
The main thing that still needs improvement is we need everybody to have 24Mbit/sec or better downstream bandwidth so we can all enjoy the highest possible quality of shows at a full 1080p HD at 60 frames per second.
Right now, 720 at 30 frames per second is about as high as is reasonable to expect for most people. But if you had all your listeners with huge bandwidth, the experience of watching online is actually better than over-the-air. It's just a matter of supply and demand, and the demand is not totally there yet.
I really could benefit on my show from 1080p60 broadcast, but I don't even have the upstream bandwidth to support it even if more people had the downstream bandwidth to support it. But I may upgrade.
Having high bandwidth 4G cell phones and iPads more common is in some cases making your tablet more capable than a regular computer to watch these shows too. The newest iPad with 4G internet can watch shows online in amazing quality wherever you are. Why fool around with a computer?
I just bought four iPad retinas last year, and my whole family is totally loving them. And it's not a computer thing, it is more like a television. Grandma talks to the kids even though she's in Texas. I got her a wireless internet to go with it for Christmas and she visits with us every day now remotely.
On my show, I'm going to be taking facetime calls during the show, so I encourage you guys who have iPads or iPhones with facetime to call in the later shows.
Quote: boymimboI don't think radio is dead,.
Radio is as far from dead as its ever been. Talk
radio is huge business.Look at the big guys
like Rush and Hannity who make millions and
millions. There are dozens and dozens of extremely
successful hosts around the country making huge
money from radio.
Quote: EvenBobRadio is as far from dead as its ever been. Talk
radio is huge business.
Music radio might be dying, and good riddance. It's all garbage anyway. I'd much prefer my hand picked iPod songs, or even better, internet radio. Pandora is about all I ever listen to nowadays, it's always playing exactly what I want to hear.
But talk radio is big, and I still tune in for that. Rush on the way to work, NPR on the way home. Maybe pop over to the God station if I'm in the mood to contemplate. "Car Talk" is probably my favorite media period, and it's a radio show. Listening to the Sabres on AM channel WGR 550, to NASCAR on the local FM country station, you can't replace this stuff.
Sure, a lot of it's probably available online. But on one hand you have to type a bunch of stuff while driving, search for a channel, hope you have good coverage (I'm in the sticks), and deal with buffering. On the other hand, you push one button.
Quote: Face
But talk radio is big, and I still tune in for that.
I try to rent cars for trips that have satellite radio
in them. Its amazing whats out there on radio.
Its about as far from dying as you can get. It
was dead in the 80's, then Rush came along and
changed it almost overnight. Now its one of the
most competitive entertainment venues there is,
and highly paid if you can find your spot.
Quote: AlanMendelson
To be honest -- radio is dead. Whatever can be broadcast over the radio can now be "broadcast" over the Internet and this is why Internet radio and Internet TV are replacing broadcast. What is really advantageous about Internet broadcasting is that no government license is required and there is no limited frequency space on a dial to contend with. If you have a website, you can have your own radio or TV station. In fact, if you don't have your own website you can still be on someone else's website with your own radio or TV station. And the internet is now "mobile" which just about puts it at a level playing field with broadcast.
Alan, would you not agree that Radio may continue to survive based on the 'target audience' aspect that it offers to the advertiser interested in that approach? I have even considered using it to advertise my solo law practice. There are several guys who have been using it here in K.C. for years...
Quote: AlanMendelson
In the not too distant future, Mike might elect to turn this website into a video website and these forums could be video forums with each of us posting our comments visually and aurally using those little cameras in our desktops and laptops. And its already possible to have on camera group discussions so those of us who want to debate Ahigh about craps could get together via a "meeting website" and talk about it on camera and watch each other drink beer and eat pretzels as we do.
I don't know Mike but it wouldn't surprise me if he has already investigated making his websites video sites because that's the way all media is going -- visually and over the Internet.
Yuck! Reading is much more efficient. Even as a fairly slow typist ~40wpm, I think reading/typing would be much faster than watching/making videos...and then expressing math formulas verbally and being able to follow along when other people do...
Quote:video forums with each of us posting our comments visually and aurally using those little cameras in our desktops
A fairly horrifying thought, given the way many internet debates break down.
Quote:watch each other drink beer and eat pretzels as we do.
...and flash middle fingers, moon each other, and unleash strings of obscenities.
Quote: AlanMendelsonTo be honest -- radio is dead.
Not really; I listen to FM all the time.
Quote: MrVNot really; I listen to FM all the time.
I agree, FM and Sirius are still kicking. Internet Radio mixes are okay, but they don't have the same wake up effect in the morning as breakfast radio, or quite as useful as mass communication that drive time shows are. Sports commentary on the radio is also superior in most cases to the TV equivalent. But, TV allows commentators to be lazy and try to write the game to their story lines, whereas radio guys have to paint the picture of what is actually happening.
I don't bother with satellite radio unless it's in a car I rent or borrow. Why pay when there's just as many free stations out there at the same time anywhere you drive, and none of them includes idiots like Howard Stern?
Quote: iluvdisco33Add Michael Savage into that mix of long-time highly successful talk radio hosts.
Savage is not on radio anymore.
Quote: EvenBobSavage is not on radio anymore.
http://tunein.com/radio/options/The-Savage-Nation-p20626/
Quote: RogerKintAnyone listen to Phil Hendrie? Love that guy.
I particularly appreciated the old Art Bell shows when he would interview serial guest General Johnson Jameson about little green men on mars, etc.
EDIT: Roger you seem like the kind of guy who would appreciate the Tim Conway Jr. Show.
contract was up. he must be back on.
Quote: midwestgbAlan, would you not agree that Radio may continue to survive based on the 'target audience' aspect
More than 95% of radio listeners are in their cars. Radio will always thrive as a medium to reach motorists.
At home and in business if people listen to "radio" it is through the Internet.
I frequently listen to KNX Radio (an all news station here in LA) while I am working on my computer.
By the way, I just got some good news: I just checked our alanbestbuys.com website ranking in Alexa.com and I was pleasantly surprised to see that we now have a strong following among web users in Las Vegas.
From the Alexa.com report: "the site is relatively popular among users in the cities of Las Vegas (where it is ranked #13,436) and Los Angeles (#25,321)."
Gosh, this makes me wonder if I might be able to revive my Vegas Best Buys TV Show? I tried to do the show a couple of years ago, but business conditions were so bad I just couldn't find enough local businesses to keep the program on the air.
Quote: Mission146and then expressing math formulas verbally and being able to follow along when other people do...
It is very easy to use graphics to show math formulas on the web. It's just like typing, and reading. It's just done on a digital screen instead of paper.
Quote: AlanMendelsonMore than 95% of radio listeners are in their cars. Radio will always thrive as a medium to reach motorists.
At home and in business if people listen to "radio" it is through the Internet.
I frequently listen to KNX Radio (an all news station here in LA) while I am working on my computer.
By the way, I just got some good news: I just checked our alanbestbuys.com website ranking in Alexa.com and I was pleasantly surprised to see that we now have a strong following among web users in Las Vegas.
From the Alexa.com report: "the site is relatively popular among users in the cities of Las Vegas (where it is ranked #13,436) and Los Angeles (#25,321)."
Gosh, this makes me wonder if I might be able to revive my Vegas Best Buys TV Show? I tried to do the show a couple of years ago, but business conditions were so bad I just couldn't find enough local businesses to keep the program on the air.
Just run a show with your bashing/envy of Bob Dancer and you will be fine in the Vegas market. And yes, I covered all my bases in this post.
Quote: AlanMendelsonAt home and in business if people listen to "radio" it is through the Internet.
Really?
So I guess the three high end FM tuners ( Kyocera, Denon, Parasound) I have in each of my separate high end stereo systems (garage, listening room, bedroom) are really computers in disguise?
Quote: BozJust run a show with your bashing/envy of Bob Dancer and you will be fine in the Vegas market. And yes, I covered all my bases in this post.
If I did a show with both "bashing" and "envy" would it be considered "fair and balanced"? LOL
Quote: MrVReally?
So I guess the three high end FM tuners ( Kyocera, Denon, Parasound) I have in each of my separate high end stereo systems (garage, listening room, bedroom) are really computers in disguise?
The statistics/ratings/surveys show that 95% of radio listeners are in their cars. I am sure there are consumers who have radios at home. My wife has the all-news station on a radio each morning as she gets ready for work.
But radio has its hopes on computer users who will stream radio as they do other work.
You certainly can pour your money into high end audio gear if you like.
Quote: AlanMendelsonIf I did a show with both "bashing" and "envy" would it be considered "fair and balanced"? LOL
And that was my point with the covered comment. Bob seems to be one of those type figures that everyone has an opinion on and it would create what you want...ratings.
Quote: BozAnd that was my point with the covered comment. Bob seems to be one of those type figures that everyone has an opinion on and it would create what you want...ratings.
With all due respect to Bob, I don't think he could generate the ratings for a main stream TV show. I don't even think a video poker or gambling information show of any type would make it "main stream."
A progam for the Travel Channel or the History Channel or Game Show Network? Of course. A late night infomercial selling books and software and strategy cards? Sure. But could it replace "The Bachelor"? I doubt it.
But "The Bob Dancer Show" (and for that matter the Wizard of Vegas Show) could turn into an online hit, and even a 24/7 online channel with on-demand online content, practice games, teaching software, discussion forums, and even live chat and streaming updates. Ahigh could purchase promotional space on the home page for his Craps TV show.
And we can have audio streams from popular radio stations and even themed music packages such as "Vegas Music," "Music for winners," and "Music for losers," and "Music to count cards by."
If I write any more I will have to copyright it. LOL
Quote: AlanMendelson
But "The Bob Dancer Show"... could turn into an online hit,
Really? Why? I'm kind of tired of slamming Dancer
too, but seriously. He's dry and anecdotal. He's
boring. A hit? C'mon, Alan...
Quote: AlanMendelsonBut "The Bob Dancer Show" ... could turn into an online hit
Quote: EvenBobReally? Why?
The economics of the Internet are different from conventional television.
An online program doesn't need the same profit margins that a TV show needs. Look at all of the youtube videos that received thousands of views and created online stars with thousands of followers and the videos were produced at home with basic cameras and basic editing software (if any).
A TV show needs many thousands of viewers, perhaps even millions of viewers, plus it has to attract big sponsorship contracts. You don't have to do that on the Internet.
And on the Internet even a program with a small audience can bring in substantial revenue from online advertisers.
Years ago, I attended one of Dancer's sessions at the Fiesta North. It lasted about 40 minutes and it was interesting. I learned several things that I remember to this day. In fact, I will never forget this question:
"Do you ever break up a straight flush with four to the royal?"
My immediate thought was "no." But as one audience member responded, "it depends on the game." And Bob went on to explain deuces wild.
How many attend his classes now? How many more would he reach if he put the same "class" on the Internet with Casino XX as the sponsor and commercials and links to make reservations, etc. ?? And unlike the physical classes at the casino, potential casino and software/book customers could attend the virtual class 24/7/365.
I am looking on BobDancer.com now and I can't find even one video -- the website is the internet version of 1960s black and white TV.
Quote: AlanMendelson
Years ago, I attended one of Dancer's sessions at the Fiesta North. It lasted about 40 minutes.
Online hit? I'm taking the no side of that bet..
Quote: WizardMost of my income comes from advertising. i.e. Bovada/Bodog.
Wow, I would not have guessed that. That's awesome though; living the dream, man! Make a website for something you care about/are smart about, sell ads, BAM. Except most people forget to generate the traffic...
Now if only I could figure out what my website is going to be about, I could be on my way to financial independence!
hates it when people recognize him and
speak to him when he's playing in the casino.
He's afraid it will will bring heat.
Why does this make me want to speak to
him when he's playing. Its like when somebody
says not to think of an elephant.
http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/bob_dancer/2013/0312.cfm
