dice ettiquette

In any dice game....
If the boxman or director...
Says to you that both dice must hit the wall..
Your best move is to stop playing,
Color cash and leave.
Whether you are a setter, a mechanic, or a bloke


Extra credit if you go, when can you come back to dice?
....if you stay, what if he says anything at all else to you?

You might think about leaving if the dice had hit the back wall, but someone mouths off with this anyway. It's saying to you that dice-setters are not welcome. If you are not a dice-setter, then your action is not welcome because you have B.O. or something.

Otherwise, meh, it *is* the rule.

I hope I was supposed to take this seriously, not sure.

Quote: WongBo

In any dice game....
If the boxman or director...
Says to you that both dice must hit the wall..

Your best bet is to actually hit the back wall, if you want to play.

Your arms should be strong enough, as casino dice are not Tungsten Dice as discussed here.

Shoot, as a dice dealer on stick, I've call "NO ROLL, NO CALL!" ...and had "no-rolled" on players their stunts....

Quote: WongBo

Your best move is to stop playing,
Color cash and leave...

True. Please leave.

And I have seen security and shift managers say as a response:

"Yes, Please - would it BE that easy? - Joker's Wild has $1 dice. Perhaps you can see if your shenanigans would fly over there. We don't need your action if you're just going to pull crap...." I agree with this. Every dice dealer, and other players do....

You're told to hit the back wall, or pass the dice, or leave, then please do so. Your action might actually not be needed for our lives.

Your crap action is not a gift from God or Krishna or Buddha to the world, - or to us, for that matter. Either Play dice by the rules, or give us all a break and leave. Or run your own home game for the action.

I would err the other way and throw the dice so hard they would fly off the table every other roll.

Quote: Wizard

I would err the other way and throw the dice so hard they would fly off the table every other roll.

That might arguably be considered "acting out." And would be flagged as such by the crew, - as "not hitting the back wall in good faith."

Again, both dice "must hit the back wall" by house rules [-arrgh!]

So, purposely and obviously throwing them off the table would be the same as an impotent throw when you can do better.

Good faith is a precious commodity on the part of too many players in the casino house.

Ettiquette is involved on both sides.
If a player fails to have the dice hit the wall it is up to the crew to remind the player in a polite manner.
No need for accusations about dice setting, just ask that they hit the wall.
Persistent failures probably means the player is fatigued and guess who has been plying him with booze to get him that way?

Quote: FleaStiff

Ettiquette is involved on both sides.
If a player fails to have the dice hit the wall it is up to the crew to remind the player in a polite manner.
No need for accusations about dice setting, just ask that they hit the wall.
Persistent failures probably means the player is fatigued and guess who has been plying him with booze to get him that way?

Very True. Polite warnings are always given. But acting out frequently follows, - and I WILL say I do understand player steaming, but behavior and protocol do count in a public casino house, and people DO need to behave

I get creamed at the tables at times, like everyone else, so then I shrug and leave and go to a Steak house, or for a back massage and rub down at a massage parlor on Spring Mountian Road or something.....I see to it that there is always some sort of polite and happy ending to it all, when frustration sets in, and when getting creamed and frothy and frustrated about it all..........always the fine resolution and release when nerves seem to be rattled.....there are indeed times when a crap game becomes less important and all....arguing with box men about "hitting the back wall" when told to do so kind of thing....

Quote: Paigowdan

I get creamed at the tables at times, like everyone else, so then I shrug and leave and go to a Steak house, or for a back massage and rub down at a massage parlor ...

I usually just chase down helpless old birds in a nature preserve ...

I know the boxman doesn't like it when the dice don't go all the way to the wall, but most of the time it really is simple fatigue or loss of concentration as the shooter is suddenly contemplating his dwindling checks.

Things may be different at a place known for shot takers but if the place is full of shot takers something is wrong with the dice crew already (or the management).

then just make an effort or just happily pass the dice if you throw a couple of tiny dice a few feet....if we lose it, then get it together or just pass the dice, and be happy about it.

The WORST thing to do on a gambling table is to get into a personal funk or a snit about what is really very minor, - a bad state of mind with your money on the line!....

Quote: Paigowdan

The WORST thing to do on a gambling table is to get into a personal funk or a snit about what is really very minor, - a bad state of mind with your money on the line!....

Yes. That is certain. Standing up, bending over, drinking, trying to figure out the call amidst the drunken shouting ... it takes enough of a toll already.

A relaxed, focused, and Zen-like state of mind is always very important to maintain, - when at the tables with money on the line.

The dice not only have Eyes, they have Ears, too, and are extremely sensitive to your state of mind in play.

I am not only saying this half-jokingly, I have, at some level, come to believe this. Really, and as nutty as that sounds. I am convinced that dice are organic.

If a Ouija board can have some ghostly uncanny effects, then them dice can be at times charged with some spooky and troublesome stuff. I know they're pissed at me for some reason.

Ooh, Wizard's blood is up this morning!

Didn't Ahigh and Teddys have a story about the box yelling at them to hit the back wall when the rolls *were* in fact hitting the back wall consistently?

Yes. But it's all anecdotal on an Internet Board among us distinguished members.

Teddy's position I do accept as gospel, having met him, and AHigh as an interesting fellow member whom I have yet to meet.

But I've personally dealt dice for too many years, and we forgive the crap out of players on our crap games, no matter how the game is going. If a flag goes up, there is a reason for it, usually as a player's "issue," really. I am incredulous, or skeptical.

The majority of crap players - and by this I mean 50.01% in fact - just barely - can get through a crap game session without a freaking incident....most times. [By comparison, it's 99.9999999% for Pai Gow, IF banking is NOT involved, and 54% on Blackjack.....]

Once a Boxman/floorman is called in, or needed, or speaks up, there is another reason, and another side to the story.

Quote: Paigowdan

Once a Boxman/floorman is called in, or needed, or speaks up, there is another reason, and another side to the story.

I took the story to mean they just don't want dice-setters at all period

is that possible in your opinion?

No.
Like dice setting is somehow a possible advantage play on any crap game at all in this world on this planet. You'd be better off believing in Chi Energy and Ouija boards.



If Stanford Wong now admits that THAT setting now both dead and useless, then THAT is coming from the absolute "Virgin Mary" white side of the game.

It's more like allowing $3 dice players on a meaningless game waste time on a table that would not otherwise survive when being jerked as such. Or a $100,000 a hand player masterbating in public at Ceasars Palace with a 40-minute dice set. That, however, would be obliged for that kind of money, WTF. Maybe one can use the V-2 set, or the Hardways set, like it would make a difference. I believe a master CAN do it, but in about three seconds and under the radar at any house. If the Boxman sees it, you do not know what the hell you are doing, and are useless.

Now, if someone of the accuracy of Roger Clemens, or Tom Seaver, could do this, and win some dice-play Cy Young awards, then we'd believe it is not a shank pull of it all.

You can set the dice for a moment on a game for a few moments, - true.

But when it gets to Performace Art Theater that is slowing down a real money game, then it is time to get real, and get to the real play.

Remember, this thread is about dice ettiquette, and if you are noticed even setting the dice, ("Give me four minutes over here, can ya, fellas? - please! - SORRY!") then you do not have it, and are wasting everyone's time. Be as invisible as good card counters IF you are going to do it. If it "can be seen", then don't do it, - just like GOOD card counters..........................

Quote: Paigowdan

Or a $100,000 a hand player masterbating in public at Ceasars Palace with a 40-minute dice set.

Masturbating before rolling the dice? Does that work? Do other casino's allow this? Or just Caesars?

Is there a seminar I could attend to learn this new approach?

Quote: Paigowdan

The dice not only have Eyes, they have Ears, too, and are extremely sensitive to your state of mind in play.

I am not only saying this half-jokingly, I have, at some level, come to believe this. Really, and as nutty as that sounds. I am convinced that dice are organic.

If a Ouija board can have some ghostly uncanny effects, then them dice can be at times charged with some spooky and troublesome stuff. I know they're pissed at me for some reason.

Astounding to read this from you, Dan... ;-)

Quote: Wizard

I would err the other way and throw the dice so hard they would fly off the table every other roll.

Many years ago I was at an Iowa casino, was shooting from the end and had two short rolls in a row. One was just a weak roll and the other was strong enough but it was one of those rare occasions the dice just stopped cold on the table rather than take the usual bounce into the wall. The stick, as he should, reminded me that I needed to hit the back wall. Lo and behold my very next toss again stopped dead on the table rather than bounce into the wall. The supervisor who was observing the game came over and said the following (in a very condescending tone) "C'mon big boy, surely you're stong enough to hit the back wall". So, I did what he wanted. I took the two dice, went into an immediate windup and tossed them 40 feet into a the back wall, of the casino.

Would have never happened if he wasn't being such an ass.

Got me booted but felt so good.

Quote: MakingBook

Masturbating before rolling the dice? Does that work? Do other casino's allow this? Or just Caesars?

It depends on the dice players - and no matter where they may be. You can see a typical example of such dice players [urlhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CgNwBh8vOY]Right Here.

Quote: MakingBook

Is there a seminar I could attend to learn this new approach?

SURE! It's the Ralph Kramden school of professional dice play to [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CgNwBh8vOY]practice for free in the comfort in your own home with a randy neightbor. All you have to hiso is learn the wits of Fralph and run the school to your best of your skiks

Quote: WongBo

In any dice game....
If the boxman or director...
Says to you that both dice must hit the wall..
Your best move is to stop playing,
Color cash and leave.
Whether you are a setter, a mechanic, or a bloke


Extra credit if you go, when can you come back to dice?
....if you stay, what if he says anything at all else to you?

I say, keep doing exactly what you are doing. If they no-roll you, pick up your chips and move to another table (or casino). If they just talk, let them talk.

Remember that they need your business, not the other way around.

Quote: MidwestAP

Many years ago I was at an Iowa casino, was shooting from the end and had two short rolls in a row. One was just a weak roll and the other was strong enough but it was one of those rare occasions the dice just stopped cold on the table rather than take the usual bounce into the wall. The stick, as he should, reminded me that I needed to hit the back wall. Lo and behold my very next toss again stopped dead on the table rather than bounce into the wall. The supervisor who was observing the game came over and said the following (in a very condescending tone) "C'mon big boy, surely you're stong enough to hit the back wall". So, I did what he wanted. I took the two dice, went into an immediate windup and tossed them 40 feet into a the back wall, of the casino.

Would have never happened if he wasn't being such an ass.

Got me booted but felt so good.

LOL. Great story.

It has been a LONG time since I was hassled over hitting the back wall, and I throw my dice to try and get them to just settle into the wall.
I rarely set the dice, so I think that helps some.
I don't play at many sweat the money places, and I think that has a lot to do with it.
I tip well.
I don't look for confrontations any more. If a stick does say something about where I am throwing my dice, I don't react. I don't totally ignore them, but I just let them have their say, and in one ear, out the other. I may change the next throw to appease them, and then just go back to what I was doing. I decided a couple of years ago, I will throw the dice the way I want, and if they don't like it, they can warn me as often as they want, and then take them if they are that upset about it.
As Dan indicated, I like to get into a carefree Zen like mood, and confrontations with dealers/sticks/boxmen/other players really ruins the ability to get in that state.


Only time I have made an adjustment was when I was throwing the dice in the corner next to the mirror, and every other throw the dice were hitting the table, then the mirror, and into the corner. After 5 minutes of this the box said, "Hey take it easy on my mirror. Please don't hit it anymore."
It was said in a matter of fact voice. He did not make a big deal out of it, did not call me out. I appreciated his manner, so I made the adjustment and moved the dice away from that landing spot. That was probably about 5 years ago now.

Quote: MakingBook

Masturbating before rolling the dice?

No wonder there is come on every table.

I got into trouble at Bellagio because the dice weren't bouncing back from the wall a minimum of six inches.

Quote: MakingBook

Masturbating before rolling the dice?

Quote: Wizard

No wonder there is come on every table.

That's funny!

Post of the month! Perhaps post of the year!

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I've seen idiots do "mini rolls" of about five inches until they get something they like and then toss them the full distance.
I've seen one poor guy get passed over because he liked the dice to be on six and five... it was not some sort of "set" for a throw and it didn't take him long to do it either.
Whatever happened to you pick up the two nearest dice and you throw them.

Quote: WongBo

In any dice game....
If the boxman or director...
Says to you that both dice must hit the wall..
Your best move is to stop playing,
Color cash and leave.
Whether you are a setter, a mechanic, or a bloke

Extra credit if you go, when can you come back to dice?
....if you stay, what if he says anything at all else to you?

I play mostly for fun, but if ANYONE engages me for ANY REASON I take it as an invitation to be more thoroughly entertained.

I usually will ask them to tell me FOR EVERY ROLL if the roll was acceptable or not. And if it wasn't acceptable exactly WHY.

I will then require them to give me MORE information about what is accepted or not.

Then I will start stroking like the worst stroker you could imagine. Take it down, put it back up. Move it here. Move it there.

The bottom line is that if someone is giving me a hard time for a reason that I think is not valid, my response is that

two can play at that game, and I have a LOT of experience at it as well.

The thing is that I have the option to leave. The dealers and the box cannot leave. And as long as I am obeying the rules, and they have no good reason to tell me to leave besides the fact that they don't like me, I can do plenty of things to demonstrate why they PROBABLY WANT TO LEAVE ME ALONE when it comes to how I am rolling the dice.

That's my two cents.

I am the customer. Let me demonstrate to you what rights I have as the customer given that you are here to serve me.

In general, instead of leaving, just leave a minimum bet on the passline, take as long as you want to set the dice, make sure everything is legal, and just be annoying in a way that is entertaining to yourself. If you feel you have made your point, then go back to playing a normal game when you're done torturing the staff for how they treated you.

Quote: AlanMendelson

I got into trouble at Bellagio because the dice weren't bouncing back from the wall a minimum of six inches.

When I was at the Venetian I asked about their policy. Some said they just had to hit the back wall. Others said they had to hit it and roll back at least six inches. I tend to think the latter was the actual policy, but not everybody knew it.

Quote: MakingBook

That's funny! Post of the month! Perhaps post of the year!

Thanks. However, I was well set up.

One more point about dice control as it relates to suspicious rolls: another way to find out if you can influence the dice is to bet the minimum bet all the time and just shoot to win for other players. If you are any good at it, you will make many friends as they win and without risking anything much. Players don't frequently get tipped but I have been tipped before. You are probably more likely to have lifetime wins as a shooter if you take fewer risks and enjoy the benefits of helping other players win. I usually take any tips these days and throw them in for the dealers. But you could more likely kill the edge this way only betting a minimum bet for your roll and just watching for the others.

The low variance and edge of the pass line flat bet is a ticket to entertainment if you so choose to view it as such. Higher limit tables might be a way to go if you are willing to try.