Online Casinos & Masking IP's
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online real wheels in the UK and I can't play them
from the US. I was talking to a guy on another
forum who uses a masking IP service that lets
him choose where his fake IP comes from. He
chooses the UK and logs into an account of a friend
who lives in the UK and has had no problems
playing.
There are even IP masking services that advertise
to get US business so they can play the most famous
online sports books in EU. Does anybody have any
experience with this?
"There is no federal law against being merely a player.
About half the states do have ancient laws on the books
that sometimes make it a crime to make a bet. But you
have a better chance of winning the World Poker Tour
than of being arrested." Nelson Rose
As long as the actual account holder moves the money
around from his home IP, is there a way for the casino
computer to even know you're playing from a proxy
account in the UK?
(please don't hijack this thread like I know you want to)
I have never used it. I read about it a month ago.
Very easy and very effective for my needs which are circumventing the Australian law which disallows online sports betting while the event is already in-play. Online bookmakers will block Australian IP addresses from placing these bets however with one click my IP is changed to anywhere in the world I choose.
Cost is $19.99 for 12 months on a PC/laptop or $9.99 on a smart device.
Quote: iluvdisco33Spoofing an IP address has been around for years and I do it as necessary. I'm surprised someone with more posts than anybody else on a forum such as this actually needs to vent frustration over this issue.
I used proxy accounts 6 years ago and they sucked. They
froze up my computer, slowed it to a crawl, caused me to
be disconnected from sites. They seem to have improved
greatly.
I'm surprised somebody with 9 posts, who joined yesterday,
has expressed so many exacting opinions. Whats up with that?
has expressed so many exacting opinions. Whats up with that?
I am more puzzled at how anyone could love DISCO !
What we are describing is the use of a "proxy service," in which your traffic passes through a third party; on its way to and from the destination.
When choosing a proxy service, here are a few things to consider:
1. Always choose a reputable proxy service. The proxy can see ***EVERYTHING*** that passes between you and the destination. Also, there is a moderate risk, if encryption is used (HTTPS), that the proxy will first decrypt and then re-encrypt your traffic.
2. Never use TOR for financial transactions (see #1).
3. When shopping for a proxy service, like HideMyAss, research its history of cooperation with law enforcement.
http://www.itworld.com/security/206403/fbi-makes-easy-catch-alleged-lulzsec-hacker-recursion-sony-data-breach
4. It is possible to determine if you are using a proxy. Some places don't care; others do.
Quote: GH
1. Always choose a reputable proxy service. .
I'm looking at mask-myip.com, ever hear anything
about them?
Quote: EvenBobI'm looking at mask-myip.com, ever hear anything
about them?
They are based in the U.S. and hosted on an ISP called Linode, in the Washington DC area. Draw your own conclusions.
Quote: GHThey are based in the U.S. and hosted on an ISP called Linode, in the Washington DC area. Draw your own conclusions.
I don't know enough to about it to draw conclusions.
Do you mean they're bad?
Quote: EvenBobI don't know enough to about it to draw conclusions. Do you mean they're bad?
"It drives me insane that there are so many legit online real wheels in the UK and I can't play them from the US."
The implication is if they're hosted in the US, then it's a moot point for accessing a site that doesn't work with a US IP.
A distant second thought is that it might be a honeypot for the US government, but that's more conspiracy theory level.
Quote: Venthus
The implication is if they're hosted in the US, then it's a moot point for accessing a site that doesn't work with a US IP.
I thought it doesn't matter where the company is located. They take
your info and route it thru another IP source of your choice. Thats
what I read anyway.
If you have a helping friend in the UK, let him set up an exclusive proxy service for you.
Quote: EvenBobI don't know enough to about it to draw conclusions.
Do you mean they're bad?
Any online service, with assets or offices located in the U.S. is subject to U.S. legal jurisdiction. That means complying with all lawful orders and cooperation with law enforcement.
The EU has stricter data privacy laws than the U.S. Try looking for an EU based proxy, maybe in Germany. They are trying to force Facebook to drop its "real names" policy.
http://zeenews.india.com/news/net-news/facebook-ordered-to-change-real-name-policy-in-germany_817577.html
Quote: Venthus\...A distant second thought is that it might be a honeypot for the US government, but that's more conspiracy theory level.
Honeypots are not a conspiracy theory. I used to set them up for the FBI and ICE.
Quote: MangoJSince any proxy service shares a limited pool of IPs it's quite easy to detect a proxy use. ..
The more expensive VPN's I'm looking at say its impossible
for the site you're visiting to know its not you're original IP.
I was shocked at how many VPN sites are out there and how
many people use them. I didn't know you can't visit TV and
movie streaming sites like Hulu and Netflix from outside
the US. Many people use a VPN to do it.
Quote: EvenBobThe more expensive VPN's I'm looking at say its impossible
for the site you're visiting to know its not you're original IP.
I was shocked at how many VPN sites are out there and how
many people use them. I didn't know you can't visit TV and
movie streaming sites like Hulu and Netflix from outside
the US. Many people use a VPN to do it.
Just remember, you get what you pay for.
And if possible, use BitCoins, and a disposable email address based in another country that is not on good legal terms with the U.S. I have such an email account at yahoo.cn because, as a condition of Yahoo doing business in China, the actual server is located behind "The Great Firewall." You can use Google Translate to transliterate the webpages.
Quote: iluvdisco33Spoofing an IP address has been around for years and I do it as necessary. I'm surprised someone with more posts than anybody else on a forum such as this actually needs to vent frustration over this issue.
A lot of posts here does not equal any knowledge of how internet technology works. Many members here struggle to use the basic functionality of a forum, quoting another post of example.
But I'm curious, when do you find it necessary to spoof an IP address and what method do you use?
Quote: EvenBob
I was shocked at how many VPN sites are out there and how
many people use them. I didn't know you can't visit TV and
movie streaming sites like Hulu and Netflix from outside
the US. Many people use a VPN to do it.
I use a VPN Provider to access US Netflix from the uk. it does not give me access to all the new movies, but does give me access to a whole library of TV Programmes I dont have access to on the uk Version. I am currently workig my way throuh Star Trek, in in show chronological order.
Quote: CroupierI am currently workig my way throuh Star Trek, in in show chronological order.
Have lots of popcorn! It took me a month to go through all of Red Dwarf, LOL.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyA lot of posts here does not equal any knowledge of how internet technology works.
So what. We aren't born knowing this stuff, we learn
it as we go along. I spent 20 hours this week researching
VPN's. I settled on VPN4ALL for several reasons. They
don't keep user logs, they have excellent customer service,
and terrific info on their site on how their product works.
I asked questions over a 3 day period and they gave detailed
answers the same day. Many VPN's are criticized for having
terrible support. I bought a month of service from VPN4ALL
and am very pleased so far. Its working flawlessly, no dropped
signals and every casino I contact thinks I'm in London.
Quote: EvenBobSo what. We aren't born knowing this stuff, we learn
it as we go along. I spent 20 hours this week researching
VPN's. I settled on VPN4ALL for several reasons. They
don't keep user logs, they have excellent customer service,
and terrific info on their site on how their product works.
I asked questions over a 3 day period and they gave detailed
answers the same day. Many VPN's are criticized for having
terrible support. I bought a month of service from VPN4ALL
and am very pleased so far. Its working flawlessly, no dropped
signals and every casino I contact thinks I'm in London.
It must be that British accent, Bob. Did you learn it from Madonna?
YouTube: The YouTube logo on the upper-left corner of the screen has "CA" next to it. Also some videos that are blocked in the United States on copyright grounds are not blocked in Canada.
PokerStars: on the front page: two Canadian pros - Daniel Negreanu and Jonathan Duhamel - with the Canadian flag in the background.
WizardofVegas: the Bovada banner ad is replaced with a Bodog ad.
I have also used UK IPs in the past to access real IGT and WMS slots that were available for fun play. However, I have been doing that less as more of these slots became available in the US.
Quote: 1BBIt must be that British accent, Bob. Did you learn it from Madonna?
Thats why I didn't choose Japan as my IP, I don't
look Japanese, it wouldn't fool anybody.
Quote: MikeV
WizardofVegas: the Bovada banner ad is replaced with a Bodog ad.
.
Ha, you're right. I'm using a London IP and its says
Bodog.
Quote: EvenBobSo what. We aren't born knowing this stuff, we learn
it as we go along. I spent 20 hours this week researching
VPN's. I settled on VPN4ALL for several reasons. They
don't keep user logs, they have excellent customer service,
and terrific info on their site on how their product works.
I asked questions over a 3 day period and they gave detailed
answers the same day. Many VPN's are criticized for having
terrible support. I bought a month of service from VPN4ALL
and am very pleased so far. Its working flawlessly, no dropped
signals and every casino I contact thinks I'm in London.
How many hours of research
do you think it will take before
you let line feeds take
care of themselves
and stop posting haiku-style
at us? Seriously.
You should see how bad
your posts look when viewed on a
mobile device. Ugh.
I guess what I was trying to accomplish was lost on you. Oh well. Hopefully our disco loving new pal will answer my question, though somehow I doubt it.
Quote: MonkeyMonkey
You should see how bad
your posts look when viewed on a
mobile device. Ugh.
.
LOL! Boy are you preaching to the wrong
guy. PLEASE block my posts to save yourself,
there's a good lad...
Quote: EvenBobLOL! Boy are you preaching to the wrong
guy. PLEASE block my posts to save yourself,
there's a good lad...
I'm not preaching anything, just adding my voice to the chorus that thinks your posting style is ridiculous. I get that you don't care if that's how you come across, it's obvious from the content that you post.
Here is some advice though: realize you are not the bright little center of this forum that we all huddle around for warmth. We did fine while you were gone.
And the point, since it apparently eluded you was to see if we could get more specific info on a certain disco loving poster who I and many others believe is probably a sock puppet. But, nope, you made sure to steer the topic away from what could have been some interesting information. Way to go, maybe next time instead of taking offense at something that actually had nothing to do with you... oh never mind, just carry on. There that's a good lad.
Quote: MonkeyMonkeyWe did fine while you were gone.
.
I was gone?
Quote: EvenBobIt drives me insane that there are so many legit
online real wheels in the UK and I can't play them
from the US. I was talking to a guy on another
forum who uses a masking IP service that lets
him choose where his fake IP comes from. He
chooses the UK and logs into an account of a friend
who lives in the UK and has had no problems
playing.
There are even IP masking services that advertise
to get US business so they can play the most famous
online sports books in EU. Does anybody have any
experience with this?
"There is no federal law against being merely a player.
About half the states do have ancient laws on the books
that sometimes make it a crime to make a bet. But you
have a better chance of winning the World Poker Tour
than of being arrested." Nelson Rose
As long as the actual account holder moves the money
around from his home IP, is there a way for the casino
computer to even know you're playing from a proxy
account in the UK?
(please don't hijack this thread like I know you want to)
We are discussing this same issue to get on gambling sites elsewhere. VPN is one easy solution for the IP. My other questions are:
1. Do you need to have a ID from another country and address if you cash out from sites that do not take U.S. players?
Quote: bigpete88
1. Do you need to have a ID from another country and address if you cash out from sites that do not take U.S. players?
There's the rub. You have to have an associate who lives
in the country and can legally open an account and cash it
out. When they start asking for all kinds of proof as to who
you are, you're screwed.
Quote: EvenBobThere's the rub. You have to have an associate who lives
in the country and can legally open an account and cash it
out. When they start asking for all kinds of proof as to who
you are, you're screwed.
+1 @EvenBob
The sites only ban US players so that they can "claim compliance" with US law. When you try to cash out, the US banks will refuse the deposit so that they too can "claim compliance." To not get screwed, one has to arrange it so that everybody (casino, banks, your ISP) can simply shrug their shoulders and just say they were "doing ***their*** jobs, per US law." Only the government will waste the time and resources to try and enforce the law; and "go after you."
Quote: strictlyAPnew to all the ip masking but would love to be able to play on stars, or full tilt, is there anyway they can track down that I am in the us?
Any attempt to play for real money on stars or tilt, whether using ip masking or not, is against their terms and services. Only way to play would be to obtain residency outside the U.S.
Quote: MikeVAny attempt to play for real money on stars or tilt, whether using ip masking or not, is against their terms and services. Only way to play would be to obtain residency outside the U.S.
So you don't play with your money, you play with money
from somebody who lives in that country. Online gambling
isn't illegal in most states, funding it is.
Quote: EvenBobSo you don't play with your money, you play with money
from somebody who lives in that country. Online gambling
isn't illegal in most states, funding it is.
Actually, gambling (on games of chance) is outlawed or regulated by almost all states individually. There is no specific federal law that outlaws gambling, but most states have had them for decades. A lot of people think that UIGEA is a federal ban of online gambling, but it Is not. It is a federal ban on the processing of gambling-related financial transactions where the gambling activity is or would be illegal under the laws of the state in which it took or will take place. This is why it is perfectly acceptable under federal law for Nevada casinos to implement intrastate online poker.
Quote: thefish2010Actually, gambling (on games of chance) is outlawed or regulated by almost all states individually. .
Actually, online gambling is only specifically illegal
in about half a dozen states. Its ambiguous in most
states and unprosecutable.
Quote: EvenBobActually, ... Its ambiguous in most
states and unprosecutable.
I work with a certain celebrity attorney and CNN legal analyst (not the Beach Blonde Bimbo). Thanks to the magical abuse of "Prosecutorial Discretion," nothing is unprosecutable.
Quote: GHnothing is unprosecutable.
According to Nelson Rose, not a single online player
has ever been prosecuted in the US.
Quote: EvenBobAccording to Nelson Rose, not a single online player
has ever been prosecuted in the US.
...yet.
Quote: GH...yet.
That can be said about anything. It means nobody cares
and nobody is looking.
Quote: EvenBobThat can be said about anything. It means nobody cares
and nobody is looking.
Oh, I'm sure people care; it's just that nobody "worthy" of being prosecuted has come along yet :)
Quote: GHOh, I'm sure people care; )
Not really. Players are small potatoes, they don't
mean anything. The cops don't want to bust the
guy betting on a horse, they want the bookie
who took the bet.
