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EvenBob
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October 17th, 2012 at 9:39:37 PM permalink
Two focus groups, one on Fox and the other
on MSNBC, of undecided voters, were both
swayed to vote for Romney after last nights
debate. Thats not possible, didn't they see
Obama showed up last night?
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AZDuffman
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October 17th, 2012 at 9:49:07 PM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

That pill is in development :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19281690

I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader if they think men are more or less likely to take the pill than a woman.



I would have been suprised if it wasn't. Still I have wondered why it has taken so much longer.

Will men be "more responsible" to take it? Show me a man who knows someone paying child support and I will show you one who will take it--and without demanding someone else pay for it.
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thecesspit
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October 18th, 2012 at 1:28:59 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

I would have been suprised if it wasn't. Still I have wondered why it has taken so much longer.

Will men be "more responsible" to take it? Show me a man who knows someone paying child support and I will show you one who will take it--and without demanding someone else pay for it.



By that analogy, I'll show you a woman who knows someone whose has a kid and deliquent baby father and is struggling to cope, and I will show you one who will take it. So thus we can solve the whole problem. In fact, there can't be an issue at all! Why would we need any debate on birth control...

Not that I really understand why there's an issue with paying for the pill from health insurance. The commonest form of birth control in the UK costs about 2.50 pounds a month on prescription to the NHS. It's such a small cost it could be paid by the end user or the insurance agency and no-one should blink. But they appear to cost a lot more in the US. Why is that, I wonder?

Patently the idea that showing others a warning does not work. Women -bear the child and tend to be the ones more likely to raise it-, but them as an example doesn't seem to make people go out and pay for the pill and take it, en masse. I think you underestimate the ability of people to make rational long term decisions all the time, especially when sex is involved. Human's aren't 100% rational.

I guarantee the male pill will be expensive, and therefore will not take off... why would it, the female pill is cheaper and more available right now (I didn't say it will fail, just it won't suddenly take of like say... Viagra did). I could be wrong. We shall see.
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s2dbaker
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October 18th, 2012 at 3:50:08 AM permalink
Here is why Obama is winning despite the national Romney lead:
RegionObamaRomneyMargin
East5248O+4
Midwest5248O+4
South3961R+22
West5347O+6
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October 18th, 2012 at 3:59:55 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Two focus groups, one on Fox and the other
on MSNBC, of undecided voters, were both
swayed to vote for Romney after last nights
debate. Thats not possible, didn't they see
Obama showed up last night?



I'm glad to see a post about the actual debate somewhere in the weeds that have grown in this thread.

Romney doesn't hate woman, he doesn't want them to be back in the stone age (the MUSLIM extremists do, if you want to find someone who does), and, while his statement was imperfect (as every man or woman is), he championed adding women to his staff when he was governor. He has some positions that some folks might not like but fighting him with comments about Big Bird and Binders is pretty damn weak.

President Obama is in a bad position--he actually has to defend his entire record instead of cherry-picking the accomplishments of his term in office. The press never really called him to task for his shortcomings but the debates are bringing them out. It actually may have been better for him had they have been addressed earlier because we have a tendency to put issues out of our mind once they are discussed in the news. It happened, it was reported, it is over...

Of course, Romney can screw up all the words about what happened in Libya but the folks know that the President is the ringmaster over what is a huge debacle. A video? 14 days? TV appearances blaming the video? If ANYONE here says this is NOT a weak spot for the President at a very bad time, I'm saying that they are an idiot. (If that personally insults someone, I don't give a rip...it is time to stop ignoring the President's shortcomings as a leader. Vote for him if you must, but he is not going to suddenly become a good President!)
AZDuffman
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October 18th, 2012 at 6:20:06 AM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

By that analogy, I'll show you a woman who knows someone whose has a kid and deliquent baby father and is struggling to cope, and I will show you one who will take it. So thus we can solve the whole problem. In fact, there can't be an issue at all! Why would we need any debate on birth control...



Not so much. Women have more of a natural instinct to reproduce than men do. Seen it happen where all their friends are having kids and they just decide it is time. And this may be cynical, but the family-court laws in the USA are biased against males. In many states, child support is a simple formula, a % of the guys pay. 1-2 kids and a woman gets a nice bonus. Add in all the government programs and even more bonus.

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Not that I really understand why there's an issue with paying for the pill from health insurance. The commonest form of birth control in the UK costs about 2.50 pounds a month on prescription to the NHS. It's such a small cost it could be paid by the end user or the insurance agency and no-one should blink. But they appear to cost a lot more in the US. Why is that, I wonder?



The issue is *forcing* the insurers to cover it. If an insurance company sees benefit to covering the pill, let their underwriters tell the management the benefits, then write the policies. Myself I have no need for such a policy so should not have to pay for it. Let the market decide.


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Patently the idea that showing others a warning does not work. Women -bear the child and tend to be the ones more likely to raise it-, but them as an example doesn't seem to make people go out and pay for the pill and take it, en masse. I think you underestimate the ability of people to make rational long term decisions all the time, especially when sex is involved. Human's aren't 100% rational.

I guarantee the male pill will be expensive, and therefore will not take off... why would it, the female pill is cheaper and more available right now (I didn't say it will fail, just it won't suddenly take of like say... Viagra did). I could be wrong. We shall see.



Humans are not rational. But the way it seems to happen is this. Guy and girl start seeing each other. If you are a guy and want to take responsibility, you can get snipped or use a condom. Many guys don't want to get snipped because they want to have kids later in life, or at least have the chance. Condoms are, well, inconvienient in the spur of the momment. So the woman says, "don't worry, honey, I will take care of it!" The guy assumes she will. Eventually she "forgets" to take the pill that day.

More than one woman has let herself get pregnant to get a guy. I am not being cynical there, if a person does not believe that they are fooling themselves.
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EvenBob
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October 18th, 2012 at 11:12:49 AM permalink
Quote: RonC

Vote for him if you must, but he is not going to suddenly become a good President!)



You don't get it. It could be Daffy Duck in office and
the worst president of all time. The Lib's would still
vote for him because they don't care about the country,
they care about their hatred of the Right.
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thecesspit
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October 18th, 2012 at 11:20:03 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

The issue is *forcing* the insurers to cover it. If an insurance company sees benefit to covering the pill, let their underwriters tell the management the benefits, then write the policies. Myself I have no need for such a policy so should not have to pay for it. Let the market decide.



There's probably other items on the policy you have no need for. But I don't disagree with the market deciding. It may be that the best way to deliver quality insurance is to provide a series of benefits for all, regardless of sex (so your prostrate exam is covered as well as her HRT). I've said before, and said it again, that the US neither lets the market play, or lets it be a single-provider service, and this is the problem in your health care. Romney-Care being ObamaCare version2.0 will be a huge failure on his part if he gets in.

I do go back to my question... why does the pill cost upto $50/month on some plans, whereas it costs the NHS $5 in the UK?
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AZDuffman
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October 18th, 2012 at 11:24:42 AM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

There's probably other items on the policy you have no need for. But I don't disagree with the market deciding. It may be that the best way to deliver quality insurance is to provide a series of benefits for all, regardless of sex (so your prostrate exam is covered as well as her HRT). I've said before, and said it again, that the US neither lets the market play, or lets it be a single-provider service, and this is the problem in your health care. Romney-Care being ObamaCare version2.0 will be a huge failure on his part if he gets in.

I do go back to my question... why does the pill cost upto $50/month on some plans, whereas it costs the NHS $5 in the UK?



I would prefer the ability to customize a plan, though I concede it would be hard to do a full-buffet plan. At some point you have to bundle. I strongly support the option of insurers to offer "men's" or "women's" plans only. As to cost of the pill, I do not know the individual drugs not the exchange rate BP$5 equates to, but Britan has price controls and the USA does not. Pill companies will thus develop with the USA in mind with other places getting the benefit of extra production.

It came out after the Sandra Fluke Circus that you can get birth control for <$10/mo USD in many ways, not subsidized.
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Keyser
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October 18th, 2012 at 11:32:29 AM permalink
Why on earth would anyone want British healthcare ??? They are a great example of how not to do it.

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