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Quote: DRichI only remember Blue Laws as they applied to liquor. For many years, maybe still, New car dealers were closed on Sunday in Nevada but it wasn't by law, just an agreement between the dealers.
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All new and used car dealers are still closed around here on Sunday but I've been told it's more of a banking issue than anything else. You can't do anything with loans or anything monetary when the banks are closed. People do a lot of car shopping at the lots on Sunday with no buying.
Quote: DRichI only remember Blue Laws as they applied to liquor. For many years, maybe still, New car dealers were closed on Sunday in Nevada but it wasn't by law, just an agreement between the dealers.
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Maybe 15 years ago, I remember a lot of the places we travelled for business, you couldn't order an alcoholic drink in a restaurant on a Sunday.
These weren't mystical faraway lands, but places like South Carolina. A quick check shows this might still be the case.
Quote: DRichI only remember Blue Laws as they applied to liquor. For many years, maybe still, New car dealers were closed on Sunday in Nevada but it wasn't by law, just an agreement between the dealers.
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I remember when every barber shop had his union card displayed and it said "Closed Mondays" and usually also Sunday, because closing Monday was the union rule.
Quote: AutomaticMonkeyQuote: DRichI only remember Blue Laws as they applied to liquor. For many years, maybe still, New car dealers were closed on Sunday in Nevada but it wasn't by law, just an agreement between the dealers.
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I remember when every barber shop had his union card displayed and it said "Closed Mondays" and usually also Sunday, because closing Monday was the union rule.
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I still go to the same barber I went to in 1961 only it's his son that runs it now. It's a very small building that he built in 1950 and it was totally paid for and he owned the land so he was always his own boss no matter what the economy was doing he was always going to flourish. In those days barbers and TV repairman were notorious for paying as a little as possible on their income tax because they were in a total cash business. The old barbers son I've known since he was a kid and that place is always packed from morning till night everyday except Sunday and Monday. He makes a fortune and I'm sure he's still circumvents a lot of the taxes. The TV repair guy said a couple times a year the IRS would show up as soon as he opened in the morning and stay there the entire day going through his books. The books he gave him that he kept for the IRS, the real books nobody ever saw. And he raised 12 kids and supported a wife on a TV repair shop.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: DRichI only remember Blue Laws as they applied to liquor. For many years, maybe still, New car dealers were closed on Sunday in Nevada but it wasn't by law, just an agreement between the dealers.
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All new and used car dealers are still closed around here on Sunday but I've been told it's more of a banking issue than anything else. You can't do anything with loans or anything monetary when the banks are closed. People do a lot of car shopping at the lots on Sunday with no buying.
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I have bought cars on Sunday. Just paid and did the paperwork during the week. I think Tiffany said the same about their jewelry stores.
Even in the 80s almost all dealers closed early on Wed, it was a night the salesmen could go home early. Dealers that bucked that system had little traffic because everyone thought all dealers were closed. I was told that was a thing GM started and others followed.
Somewhere in Alabama, we entered a county where it was illegal to possess a cold alcoholic beverage in public, even if it was unopened! Stores could sell beer, but it was warm; they weren't allowed to put it in the cooler cases!
I haven't been back to either of these places since; so I have no idea if these laws are still on the books.
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Quote: EvenBobAnybody here remember the blue laws that were in every state. They said that no places of business could be open on Sunday except gas stations and only a few of those. I got my first driver's license 60 years ago this month and Sunday was the worst because everything was closed in 1965. I believe there were two gas stations in the entire County that were open. And it stayed that way into the seventies in Michigan. No grocery stores, no convenience stores, couldn't buy liquor or beer of course, movie theaters were closed, it was a ghost town. The year I left 1976 it was changing because of the Supreme Court and I moved to California in 1976 and much to my surprise everything was open on Sunday. What a huge deal that was. But even California had Blue Laws up until the late 1960s when it started to change. Unless you were around in those days you have no idea how much organized religion ran this country. Because of the Hays code until 1968 you could not use foul language in a movie or take the lord's name in vain or show two people in bed together. It wasn't until 1970 when I heard the first f word in a movie and it was shocking because nobody saw it coming.
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Again, so much misinformation. There were "blue laws" but NOT in every state. Some states were selective to ban certain items like liquor from Sunday sale while other states like Massachusetts had an all-encompassing all goods ban. Businesses that were Jewish owned stayed open on Sundays in Mass. and thrived because their Sabbath was Saturday. The other owners cried foul, so eventually those Mass. blue laws were repealed. (long story short) Other states in the NE eventually followed suit.
The southern states, because of the evangelicals and Southern Baptists maintained no liquor sales on Sundays up until the early 2000's. Liquor sales in GA are still banned before noon on Sundays today.
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One thing that has changed for the worse is that in 1969 the Supreme Court said that cops could lie to the public with no penalties. As long as they weren't lying about your rights they can basically say anything they want to get you to cooperate or to get information out of you. This stuff about if you ask an undercover cop if he's really a cop he has to tell the truth, that's absolute crap. He can lie all day long. They can tell you a subpoena is coming when it's not. They can tell you they will help you get a lighter sentence if you just cooperate which they absolutely cannot do. They can tell lie after lie after lie now and there's nothing you can do about it. But you can never lie to them you'll go to jail. I constantly hear minorities on these cop videos say they don't trust the police because they lie. I finally looked it up and they're right, they lie constantly. They now act like they're the nicest person you ever met while they're lying to your face the whole time they're talking to you.
I do get a good deal on car insurance though with State Farm. I only pay $38 a month because I'm on Medicare and you don't have to pay the medical part of your car insurance if you can prove you're on Medicare. That cuts my bill way way down. Insurance companies hate it but oh well. I only get public liability and property damage because I have an old van. My wife gets full coverage on her car and renters insurance for where she lives for like $67 a month because she does the Medicare thing too.
Quote: EvenBobRemember when license plates expired on the same date every year and you had to truck down to the local DMV and stand in line every year for your new set of plates, one for the front and one for the back. This is where the true hatred of the DMV in the United States was born. It changed in Michigan in the early seventies well they started having one plate on the back for the life of your ownership of the car and they would mail you a tag every year if you applied by mail. Of course now it's even easier because you could do it on the internet. My birthday was last week and I just got my new tag two weeks ago. And for years registering a van was like 40 bucks. Now the van I have is $137 every year. What a racket.
I do get a good deal on car insurance though with State Farm. I only pay $38 a month because I'm on Medicare and you don't have to pay the medical part of your car insurance if you can prove you're on Medicare. That cuts my bill way way down. Insurance companies hate it but oh well. I only get public liability and property damage because I have an old van. My wife gets full coverage on her car and renters insurance for where she lives for like $67 a month because she does the Medicare thing too.
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It was by mail in my parts way back in the 1970s or earlier. Everyone expired on March 31 until about 1980.
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I do get a good deal on car insurance though with State Farm. I only pay $38 a month because I'm on Medicare and you don't have to pay the medical part of your car insurance if you can prove you're on Medicare. That cuts my bill way way down. Insurance companies hate it but oh well. I only get public liability and property damage because I have an old van. My wife gets full coverage on her car and renters insurance for where she lives for like $67 a month because she does the Medicare thing too.
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That's awesome. I calculated this month what I pay in insurance per year (all insurance). I pay approximately $26,000 a year for insurance for home, health, car and life. That is just my portion and doesn't include what my company contributes to medial insurance.
Quote: rxwineWhen I first went to Vegas in the 1990s, I remember looking up at the lighted marquee and entrances and thinking, "man, someone has to change all those light bulbs"
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The FSE supposedly had six million light bulbs, in its first incarnation.
love the music from back in the day - well, a lot of it anyway - mostly soul and rock
like the song says "today's music ain't got the same soul"
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I was 20 years old it was a huge deal. There's people in my wife's extended family who swear that it was faked.
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I was 20 years old it was a huge deal. There's people in my wife's extended family who swear that it was faked.
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All a distraction from something that went on up in Chappaquiddick the night before.
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I was 20 years old it was a huge deal. There's people in my wife's extended family who swear that it was faked.
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All a distraction from something that went on up in Chappaquiddick the night before.
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I did not know that was the night before.
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I was 20 years old it was a huge deal. There's people in my wife's extended family who swear that it was faked.
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All a distraction from something that went on up in Chappaquiddick the night before.
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I did not know that was the night before.
See? It worked!
Drill instructor: "I didn't see you at camouflage practice this morning, maggot!"
Recruit: "Sir, thank you, sir!"
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I was 20 years old it was a huge deal. There's people in my wife's extended family who swear that it was faked.
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All a distraction from something that went on up in Chappaquiddick the night before.
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I did not know that was the night before.
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That thing with Teddy Kennedy at Chappaquiddick was on the 17th and 18th of July and the moon landing was on the 16th.
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I was 20 years old it was a huge deal. There's people in my wife's extended family who swear that it was faked.
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All a distraction from something that went on up in Chappaquiddick the night before.
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I did not know that was the night before.
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That thing with Teddy Kennedy at Chappaquiddick was on the 17th and 18th of July and the moon landing was on the 16th.
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The liftoff was on the 16th. The landing and moonwalk was the 20th. That was Greenwich time.
Kennedy did his thing around midnight of the 19th but he didn't report it until mid day on the 19th, too late to be in that day's papers and probably on the evening broadcasts as well. So right around when it would have hit the news, the giant leap was taken.
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I was 20 years old it was a huge deal. There's people in my wife's extended family who swear that it was faked.
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All a distraction from something that went on up in Chappaquiddick the night before.
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I did not know that was the night before.
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That thing with Teddy Kennedy at Chappaquiddick was on the 17th and 18th of July and the moon landing was on the 16th.
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The liftoff was on the 16th. The landing and moonwalk was the 20th. That was Greenwich time.
Kennedy did his thing around midnight of the 19th but he didn't report it until mid day on the 19th, too late to be in that day's papers and probably on the evening broadcasts as well. So right around when it would have hit the news, the giant leap was taken.
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Talk about a preemptive strike sending them up just days before it was going to happen…! More proof that we’re living in a simulation?
One took a dunk, and resurfaced.
One didn't.
What did the third one do?
Quote: rxwineThree Kennedy's have a strong connection to water incidents.
One took a dunk, and resurfaced.
One didn't.
What did the third one do?
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Also took a dunk and resurfaced, and rescued some of his crew.
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I was at my desk in my 7th grade, 3rd period business class when the teacher looked out the window and noted that the vapor trail looked "strange." I and my classmates didn't think much about it at the time. It wasn't until later in the day we learned what had actually happened.Quote: lilredrooster.
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Quote: JoemanI was at my desk in my 7th grade, 3rd period business class when the teacher looked out the window and noted that the vapor trail looked "strange." I and my classmates didn't think much about it at the time. It wasn't until later in the day we learned what had actually happened.Quote: lilredrooster.
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I was at work watching on tv when it happened
as it exploded the female Office Manager got a big smile on her face and said "poof" and then laughed
I was shocked that someone could be so cruel as to make a joke and laugh while watching seven people die
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1970s-1990s but peaking in the early to mid-80s, the average person went to the mall about 5 times a month. The usual tough-guys on here will insist they did not, but that is hard to believe. Some things, shoes to Craftsman tools, you basically had to go to the mall. Clothes? Usually mall. Books? Mall. Eyeglasses? Mall.
And the mall had things and events to draw you in. One near me had a duck pond with a little bridge over it and a two story bird cage with exotic birds like the Norwegian Blue parrot. As a little kid you could not wait to get to the duck pond. Another had a sunken stage for various shows. New cars in fall, antique cars on show, Junior Achievement weekend with the wares high school kids made. In winter of course, Santa was there.
If you barely needed anything you still might come to see this stuff. Get an ice cream cone or pretzel. Get out of the house.
Today I read the average person goes to a mall a couple times a year. I have to say I might go when I need eyeglasses or certain clothes. Or to use it as a meet-up for a carpool. To kill time? Only if I am already out, not to get out of the house. After the mid-1990s malls started to fall off. I remember about 1997 one mall made the news for banning dotcom ads inside stores for their online presence. Give credit that they knew their time was past, but it was like trying to hold back water.
By the mid-2000s you might have gone but to see a "dead mall." I am kind of a fan of doing that. Like being in a zombie movie. I have read we may be down to 150 malls nationwide by the mid-2030s. That is three per state!
Roosevelt Field never sponsored another concert, and that area of the mall was turned over to kiosks.
Quote: AZDuffmanRemember when the local mall had it all?
1970s-1990s but peaking in the early to mid-80s, the average person went to the mall about 5 times a month. The usual tough-guys on here will insist they did not, but that is hard to believe. Some things, shoes to Craftsman tools, you basically had to go to the mall. Clothes? Usually mall. Books? Mall. Eyeglasses? Mall.
And the mall had things and events to draw you in. One near me had a duck pond with a little bridge over it and a two story bird cage with exotic birds like the Norwegian Blue parrot. As a little kid you could not wait to get to the duck pond. Another had a sunken stage for various shows. New cars in fall, antique cars on show, Junior Achievement weekend with the wares high school kids made. In winter of course, Santa was there.
If you barely needed anything you still might come to see this stuff. Get an ice cream cone or pretzel. Get out of the house.
Today I read the average person goes to a mall a couple times a year. I have to say I might go when I need eyeglasses or certain clothes. Or to use it as a meet-up for a carpool. To kill time? Only if I am already out, not to get out of the house. After the mid-1990s malls started to fall off. I remember about 1997 one mall made the news for banning dotcom ads inside stores for their online presence. Give credit that they knew their time was past, but it was like trying to hold back water.
By the mid-2000s you might have gone but to see a "dead mall." I am kind of a fan of doing that. Like being in a zombie movie. I have read we may be down to 150 malls nationwide by the mid-2030s. That is three per state!
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When I was at the mall back then, it usually involved a roll of quarters. Video arcade. It was a great place to meet uptown girls who were totally impressed with my pinball and video game skills.
I was quite confused, and disappointed, when with time I learned they merely tolerated my pinball and video game skills, along with everything else I believed would be impressive.
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By the mid-2000s you might have gone but to see a "dead mall." I am kind of a fan of doing that. Like being in a zombie movie. I have read we may be down to 150 malls nationwide by the mid-2030s. That is three per state!
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One of the malls in my area just lost most of the tenants about 15 years ago. A handful of stores remained, as did a few restaurants. (They hadn't built a "food court", so the restaurants had rented out regular store spaces.)
The boarded up vacant stores became a cubicle farm for one of the nearby startups, until they could complete the heavy construction on their main campus.
Plenty of parking, plenty of bathrooms, and kids have always liked going to the mall.
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horrific is the only word I can think of to describe this catastrophe -
actual news coverage of the event while it happened below
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I was at work watching on tv when it happened
as it exploded the female Office Manager got a big smile on her face and said "poof" and then laughed
I was shocked that someone could be so cruel as to make a joke and laugh while watching seven people die
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I was working on my master's degree research in a hospital blood lab at the time. One of the technicians came in crying. She told us all to get to a TV to see what happened.
Sad day, indeed.
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By the mid-2000s you might have gone but to see a "dead mall." I am kind of a fan of doing that. Like being in a zombie movie. I have read we may be down to 150 malls nationwide by the mid-2030s. That is three per state!
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One of the malls in my area just lost most of the tenants about 15 years ago. A handful of stores remained, as did a few restaurants. (They hadn't built a "food court", so the restaurants had rented out regular store spaces.)
The boarded up vacant stores became a cubicle farm for one of the nearby startups, until they could complete the heavy construction on their main campus.
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There mall near where I grew up was called the "Mecca of Dead Malls" by a dead mall YouTuber. Its food court was insane when it was booming. Kentucky Fried Chicken rented a regular store right next to it because they could not get space in it. You had to be lucky to get a table during the holidays. When I went to the nearby community college I would stop for lunch sometimes. Even in the late morning there was still lots of activity. Near the end it was down to one last place. Said place had intended to stay until the end, part because they were an original tenant and I guess the owners thought staying open to closure was a thing. It closed as many days they did less than $200 in business, possibly most of that was from employees of the less than 15 stores left.
Yes, I said less than 15 stores left! At the end I think it was less than 10 left. People went to dead-mall cruise the place. In the last year it was open maybe 10 left, but the last 10-20 there were only 2 national, "regular" places left. Bath and Body Works and Victoria's Secret, which I heard were the same parent and they left the same day, finally giving up. One girl was working brush at BBW and I chatted with her. If I had a business I would have hired her on the spot as she was acting as if it was still a real mall. Meanwhile the rest of the joint is a living apocolypse movie.
There was a indie comic book store there for cheap rent. A nurse-scrub uniform store, ditto. One guy had a T-shirt business there more for cheap rent to make stuff to sell for order and if he got wakl-in that was a bonus. And a JCPenny that amazingly kept off the closure lists as they downsized.
Once I was there and some Korean guy walked out of that JCP and had a look on his face as if he was teleported from Times Square to some field in Kansas. Every store he could see was closed. He asks me if there are stores in this mall. I chuckled to myself and told him the deal.
I got a few bricks from the teardown, that is another story I can bore you all with if anyone cares to hear.
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There was a indie comic book store there for cheap rent. A nurse-scrub uniform store, ditto. One guy had a T-shirt business there more for cheap rent to make stuff to sell for order and if he got wakl-in that was a bonus. And a JCPenny that amazingly kept off the closure lists as they downsized.
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Interesting. I've seen the scrubs stores since forever, and they fill a specific niche. The notion of cheap rent in a mall just doesn't sit right. Back when a local mall was trying to get the store I worked at to move, the rent was higher than where we were, and they wanted a percentage of sales. Supposedly that would be offset by higher walk-in traffic, but I think most of that walk-in crowd wasn't interested in our retail specialty, except perhaps to cause inventory shrinkage and ebay the missing items.
For years, I've been seeing a number of indoor malls convert to large format strip malls or power centers. If that doesn't work, they'll simply be razed and redeveloped.
Personally, I think the downward spiral began when malls started removing the conversation pit smoking lounges, we just barely noticed for 15 years because mail-order wasn't a viable alternative.
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Today I read the average person goes to a mall a couple times a year. I have to say I might go when I need eyeglasses or certain clothes.
I don't think I have been in a mall in over five years. I will go into a Walmart or Target maybe twice a year but that is the extent of my retail shopping, My wife and I order everything online. It is unusual for us to have a day when we don't get at least one delivery.
The last mall I visited was in Las Vegas, pre-COVID, for an eye exam and glasses.
Quote: DRichI only remember Blue Laws as they applied to liquor. For many years, maybe still, New car dealers were closed on Sunday in Nevada but it wasn't by law, just an agreement between the dealers.
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In Knoxville TN where I live wine and hard liquor were prohibited to be sold on Sundays up until about 5 - 8 years ago! Our county finally allowed liquor stores to be open on Sundays as part of a bill that finally permitted wine to be sold in grocery stores. My local liquor store manager didn't like being open on Sundays - he says he doesn't sell any more booze than before but he now has to pay staff to be open on Sundays.
It had previously been permissible on Sundays to buy beer (sold in grocery stores) as well as wine and liquor by the drink in licensed restaurants. I think Sunday sales of beer from grocery stores became permissible back in the 1990s.
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In Knoxville TN where I live wine and hard liquor were prohibited to be sold on Sundays up until about 5 - 8 years ago! Our county finally allowed liquor stores to be open on Sundays as part of a bill that finally permitted wine to be sold in grocery stores. My local liquor store manager didn't like being open on Sundays - he says he doesn't sell any more booze than before but he now has to pay staff to be open on Sundays.
It had previously been permissible on Sundays to buy beer (sold in grocery stores) as well as wine and liquor by the drink in licensed restaurants. I think Sunday sales of beer from grocery stores became permissible back in the 1990s.
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In 1998 they finally allowed liquor to be sold in my County on Sunday. It was heartbreaking in the ghetto because there were these guys that made a week's wages selling liquor all day long out of the trunk of their car. It was a booming business and they called it bootlegging. In the '80s I would drive taxi on Sunday sometimes and a guy would get in and say take me to The Bootlegger. Maroon Cadillac he'll have the trunk open and we always found him. It was like a tradition in the black community around here, you would overpay for a pint of Jim Beam and then stand around with the other people there and get half drunk. The cops knew what was going on but they pretty much ignored it. Nobody was drinking and driving it was all pedestrian business.
