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Quote: GenoDRPhQuote: billryanRobert Horrey has more rings than Michael Jordan, Kareem, or LeBron.
My friend Danny Green won titles on three different teams. Bill Russell only won titles with one team.
If I tell you Frank Ramsey has seven rings, do you think he was a great player or that he played for Bill Russell's Celtics?
Play a game: You are an NBA GM with the first pick in the draft. Boston calls you and offers you Sam and K.C.Jones for it. While you are thinking it over, the Knicks call and offer Clyde and Earl the Pearl. Which offer do you accept?
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Give me players who will win me championships, each and every time.
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Championships have a lot more luck involved in them. In the case of baseball, you play 162 games in the regular season to determine who's the best team in the division, then they play a 5 game series to determine who is the better of two teams. That doesn't hold up to much mathematical scrutiny.
Then, especially when you have long seasons, the team in the postseason is not the same team that played all of those regular season games. You could be the team that was winning at a record setting pace until half your pitching staff goes down with Tommy John. Or that could be your opponent. Luck.
Quote: billryanI'm guessing AM isn't much of a baseball fan.
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On the contrary, it's the only sport I really follow! And I even have an autographed Larsen-Berra photo up on the wall.
But that just reminds me of the luck element, especially in the postseason. Don Larsen was by no means a great pitcher and had gotten shelled a few games before, couldn't keep the ball over the plate, and then pitched a perfect game against the same team a few days later. What is that, if not luck in the extreme?
Quote: billryanQuote: GenoDRPhQuote: billryanRobert Horrey has more rings than Michael Jordan, Kareem, or LeBron.
My friend Danny Green won titles on three different teams. Bill Russell only won titles with one team.
If I tell you Frank Ramsey has seven rings, do you think he was a great player or that he played for Bill Russell's Celtics?
Play a game: You are an NBA GM with the first pick in the draft. Boston calls you and offers you Sam and K.C.Jones for it. While you are thinking it over, the Knicks call and offer Clyde and Earl the Pearl. Which offer do you accept?
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Give me players who will win me championships, each and every time.
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I guess you weren't much of a Ted Williams fan. How sucky does one have to be to play 19 seasons and not manage to even sniff a title?
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On the contrary, we revere Williams. We named a tunnel after him even.But he never won a WS. Would we have supported his trade in exchange for a WS victory? In a heartbeat. Do you think anyone in Dallas regrets the Herschel Walker trade?
Quote: GenoDRPhGive me players who will win me championships, each and every time.
in 1966 the Celtics won the Championship
in that same year the Detroit Pistons were in last place in the Western Division with a record of 22-58
what chance do you think they would have had of winning a Championship if K.C. Jones and Sam Jones had been on that team - ?
slim and none
players such as K.C. Jones and Sam Jones who played on a great many Championship teams deserve a lot of credit
but much of the reason they got so many Championship rings was due to luck
they were lucky to be on the same team as Bill Russell
there are other NBA guards who could have done as well with the Celtics and Bill Russell as they did
they don't deserve to considered better or equal to some others who didn't have that kind of luck - such as Oscar Robertson and Jerry West
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