Cashiers dont stop problem gamblers from withdrawing $?

I was at Resorts World cashing a ticket. while waiting for the cashier to get approval from a supervisor because the payout was over $1000, i noticed the cashier in the next booth over. she was looking sad.

then i noticed all the atm and credit cards in front of her. a little old lady is trying to get more $ but apparently all her cards have been rejected.

i felt bad for both the old lady and the cashier.


edit:
when i left the cage, the old lady was looking in her bag for more cards to try to get $ from :(

I wish they made it illegal for a casino to have an ATM on its premises.

100xOdds,

How would you compare your winning % on the e-craps machines compared to the real craps table?

Unfortunately that is the bad side of gambling. When AC first opened I would imagine that scene was played over and over. All we can do is give our unconditional support to family members who fall pray to this.

i never even knew you can withdraw $ from atm/credit cards at the cage.

are fees waived? (ie: ATM charge, credit card not counted as cash withdraw?)

CrapsForever- win/lose is about the same. have had sessions where i more than double my $1000 bankroll, others where i lose it all. and some inbetween.

but i have more fun with e-craps mainly because i can bet how i want w/o the dealer misunderstanding.

Quote: 100xOdds

i neer even knew you can withdraw $ from atm/credit cards at the cage.

are fees waived? (ie: ATM charge, credit card not counted as cash withdraw?)

Pretty sure they charge even higher fees at the cage.

At the mohegansun the following applies to credit card advances: NO fees for


minimum amount
regular player $5000


wolf player $2000


sagamore $1000

I don't know the rules fo debit cards


Note: you still have to pay fees (charged) by your bank.

Quote: JimMorrison

Pretty sure they charge even higher fees at the cage.

Yes, and it might even be a good thing that they do that ... makes one stop and think no matter how plastered. Oh for that casino in Reno that operated for decades with no credit department at all. You brought your money with you and you gambled it. they never arranged for markers for you or did credit checks on you. It was a good system.

Quote: CrapsForever

I wish they made it illegal for a casino to have an ATM on its premises.

When AC first opened, it WAS illegal to have ATMs in the casino.

That changed after they started to get statistics about the number of muggings that occurred between the casinos and the ATMs located across the street.

Quote:

Cashiers dont stop problem gamblers from withdrawing $?

I've heard that problem gamblers might lose more.

Why stop your best customers?

Quote: DJTeddyBear

When AC first opened, it WAS illegal to have ATMs in the casino.

Boy have things changed. You can't walk more than 50 feet without seeing an atm at ms.

Quote: 100xOdds

I was at Resorts World cashing a ticket. while waiting for the cashier to get approval from a supervisor because the payout was over $1000, i noticed the cashier in the next booth over. she was looking sad.

then i noticed all the atm and credit cards in front of her. a little old lady is trying to get more $ but apparently all her cards have been rejected.

i felt bad for both the old lady and the cashier.


edit:
when i left the cage, the old lady was looking in her bag for more cards to try to get $ from :(

See similar things when cashing out at my home casino. I remember seeing that the fee was 6% or $16, whichever was less. Heard people yelling at the cashiers because their card won't let them withdraw more money.

Quote: only1choice

Boy have things changed. You can't walk more than 50 feet without seeing an atm at ms.

Last week an old friend of mine told me his wife produced
credit card records for the last 5 years that showed him
withdrawing over $60,000 from casino ATM's and gave
him the ultimatum: The casinos go or she goes. Because
he had no defense, the casinos went. Damn that paper trail..

Quote: EvenBob

Last week an old friend of mine told me his wife produced
credit card records for the last 5 years that showed him
withdrawing over $60,000 from casino ATM's and gave
him the ultimatum: The casinos go or she goes. Because
he had no defense, the casinos went. Damn that paper trail..

The 60k withdrawals aren't the issue.

My guess is that it's the lack of matching cash deposits.

I have no ATM fees with my bank, so I would completely be against limiting ATMs in casinos. The $500 daily limit my bank imposes
works perfectly for me. I brought $100 with me to Vegas, and took cash as I needed it. Worked perfectly.

What works best for me is:

*Cash only, no ATM cards. I used to leave half of my gambling bankroll in the car but that's not a safe move.

**Cashing in at the Cage EVERYTIME I make at least a $100 profit on a shooter (After the shooter 7's out).

***Having an emergency Credit Card in the car with just enough for gas, food, emergencies.

Quote: FinsRule

The 60k withdrawals aren't the issue. .

The issue was, he lied about how much he was losing.
She would see the CC withdrawals and he would say
he left the casino ahead and he never did, he always
gave his winnings back. When she finally sat down and
added up the numbers, thats when it hit the fan. And
that doesn't include the checks he wrote or the cash
he walked in with, which was always over $300. It
has to be over $100K for 5 years and he's been doing
it since the Indian casino's started opening in the
mid 90's.

Quote: EvenBob

The issue was, he lied

This is a guy who needed to quit being stupid alright. He was probably lying to himself too.

Problem Gambling is a public relations issue as far as opening and operating casinos. It is a nuisance issue. Sometimes there are start contrasts such as that between the woman who brought gambling to Biloxi and her sister who lost her house due to gambling debts. Sometimes the contrasts are muted, as in geographically remote suicides, alcoholism, wife-beating and the like. The brochures are there, but the gambler usually has to reach for them. The self ban procedures are there but it takes time and effort.

We've all seen situations where it was obvious someone should stop but no one intervenes. It happens. It will continue to happen.

By the way, there ain't much you can do about a problem gambler anyway, but its becoming a profitable field because casino-funding is easy to obtain despite lack of any accomplishments.

Quote: EvenBob

The issue was, he lied about how much he was losing.
She would see the CC withdrawals and he would say
he left the casino ahead and he never did, he always
gave his winnings back. When she finally sat down and
added up the numbers, thats when it hit the fan. And
that doesn't include the checks he wrote or the cash
he walked in with, which was always over $300. It
has to be over $100K for 5 years and he's been doing
it since the Indian casino's started opening in the
mid 90's.

Unless he played slots I don't see how someone can lose this much. If he played blackjack at $100 a hand he should have been losing less than 100 per hour. Did he really play for over a thousand hours at this level? If he bet half this amount then 2,000 hours? I just don't see how people possibly blow through so much. I have seen an asian man lose a 40,000$ marker at Baccarrat but he was also betting an orange or two a hand. What are people thinking?

Quote: winmonkeyspit3

Unless he played slots I don't see how someone can lose this much. If he played blackjack at $100 a hand he should have been losing less than 100 per hour. Did he really play for over a thousand hours at this level? If he bet half this amount then 2,000 hours? I just don't see how people possibly blow through so much. I have seen an asian man lose a 40,000$ marker at Baccarrat but he was also betting an orange or two a hand. What are people thinking?

I personally know a guy who lost over $50,000 in THREE months playing $5 Craps on a Casino Boat. He played 6 (4) hour sessions a week. He was an amazing shooter but he had horrible luck and was the most stubborn bettor I have ever met in my life. He ended up going bankrupt!

Quote: CrapsForever

I personally know a guy who lost over $50,000 in THREE months playing $5 Craps on a Casino Boat. He played 6 (4) hour sessions a week. He was an amazing shooter but he had horrible luck and was the most stubborn bettor I have ever met in my life. He ended up going bankrupt!

You say $5 craps but what kind of action was he giving them? How much in odds, how much across, many much on the hardways, any horns? See it really adds up. I just posted the other week about how I play $5 craps and I often end up with over 100$ on the felt on some rolls, and I consider myself a conservative bettor.

I mean there was this young guy who immigrated from Africa that I used to see playing blackjack 75% of my sessions and he had a very sad story about how his first trip to the casino he won $7,000 but he had now lost over $30,000 and was just trying to get it back. He played red chip blackjack but he would often get good sized stacks (50-60bucks) going with a progression.

Quote: winmonkeyspit3

You say $5 craps but what kind of action was he giving them? How much in odds, how much across, many much on the hardways, any horns? See it really adds up. I just posted the other week about how I play $5 craps and I often end up with over 100$ on the felt on some rolls, and I consider myself a conservative bettor.

He used to come with a $1,000 session bankroll playing $64 Across on every shooter when he was not playing the Pass Line. $5 Pass Line / $25 Odds. He did not play the Hardways/Horns but had an uncanny ability to throw them a lot. After numerous sessions of people 7ing out all day, he switched to the Dark Side which was his eventful downfall. There would be times a shooter would make 6 points in a row but he would continue doing a "Don't Martingale" that would cripple his bankroll. I advised him to visit a land based casino....he was really good throwing the dice...if he only made bets on his rolls, he would have made a lot of $$$$$.

He actually taught me a lot about "funny" things to look for while playing craps...it was amazing how he could tell me when a 7 was going to hit based on things that go on a table. The craziest thing he showed me was a specific shooter who on one session ALWAYS threw a HORN right before 7ing out on the very next throw. The shooter did it ELEVEN times in a row while he was shooting. After the 4th consecutive time the same shooter 7'ed out after throwing a horn, the entire table including the shooter started calling their bets "OFF" and hopping the 7's after the shooter threw a Horn. That is one of the most amazing things that I have ever seen in my life!

The casino boat based in Florida was a bit SHADY....the first time I went on the boat; the first 14 shooters 7'ed out within a couple of rolls after establishing the Point. We all switched to the Don't Pass Line after the 5th consecutive 7out. Everytime a player made 2 consecutive points, the Pit Boss started complaining about how the player was throwing the dice, every single time! The customer service was really bad. Craps is a negative expectation game but the things I saw there was ridiculous. The Pitboss threatened to ban me and the guy from playing there because we kept on calling our bets "OFF" when we saw "funny" stuff going on; we were usually right! The dealers also had a bad habit of sending the dice out with 7's on the Face of the Dice all the time; it caused a lot of controversies with Dice Shooters there.

A "Dice Setter" came on one of the casino cruises and kept on hitting hardways, the pitboss kept on watching him, waving his hands, trying to distract him, made fun of him (the player has a voice box), had another Casino Big Wig call the Pit's telephone on the table where the Dice Setter was rolling to try and distract him. It was one of the most disgusting displays I had ever seen in my 12 years of playing craps.

I could tell the guy was a Dice Setter by the way he threw the dice..he stood Stick Left...threw 3V, dice hit the same spot every single time on the felt, hit the back wall at the bottom and both dice died on the same spot virtually every roll. Every other roll he threw was a hardway. It was very impressive! He made about $2,000 in 1 hour and walked away from the table cursing at the Pit Boss for their bush league display. I spoke to him later in the day; he gave me some good dice setting tips but I need a lot more work.

I stopped going on the boat late last year after my guy went bankrupt. He had so much talent. I truly wished I could have convinced him to go to Vegas for a week...I really think it would have made a big difference. He saw this specific casino boat as a challenge...he made it a personal vendetta to make his money back and that was a huge mistake on his part. Sometimes you just have awful luck at a specific casino and it's best to just walk away and find a new casino to challenge. aceofspades...Stay away from REVEL!

It took me way too long to give up (10+ Sessions) playing there but I gave up because it wasn't worth it. They had me about to give up shooting the Dice permanently because of how bad things were going on that boat. Most of my bad streaks have occurred on Casino Boats/Cruises...need to stay away from ALL non-land based casinos.

By the way, this is the same Casino Boat who lost $30,000+ in one Craps session and the Casino's owner had the Craps table chopped up and thrown in the Ocean a few years ago. Players who were there during that HOT session and Casino Personnel confirmed this to me because when they came back the next day, the "Hot Craps" table was GONE!

Quote: CrapsForever

He used to come with a $1,000 session bankroll playing $64 Across on every shooter when he was not playing the Pass Line. $5 Pass Line / $25 Odds. He did not play the Hardways/Horns but had an uncanny ability to throw them a lot. After numerous sessions of people 7ing out all day, he switched to the Dark Side which was his eventful downfall. There would be times a shooter would make 6 points in a row but he would continue doing a "Don't Martingale" that would cripple his bankroll. I advised him to visit a land based casino....he was really good throwing the dice...if he only made bets on his rolls, he would have made a lot of $$$$$.

He actually taught me a lot about "funny" things to look for while playing craps...it was amazing how he could tell me when a 7 was going to hit based on things that go on a table. The craziest thing he showed me was a specific shooter who on one session ALWAYS threw a HORN right before 7ing out on the very next throw. The shooter did it ELEVEN times in a row while he was shooting. After the 4th consecutive time the same shooter 7'ed out after throwing a horn, the entire table including the shooter started calling their bets "OFF" and hopping the 7's after the shooter threw a Horn. That is one of the most amazing things that I have ever seen in my life!

The casino boat based in Florida was a bit SHADY....the first time I went on the boat; the first 14 shooters 7'ed out within a couple of rolls after establishing the Point. We all switched to the Don't Pass Line after the 5th consecutive 7out. Everytime a player made 2 consecutive points, the Pit Boss started complaining about how the player was throwing the dice, every single time! The customer service was really bad. Craps is a negative expectation game but the things I saw there was ridiculous. The Pitboss threatened to ban me and the guy from playing there because we kept on calling our bets "OFF" when we saw "funny" stuff going on; we were usually right! The dealers also had a bad habit of sending the dice out with 7's on the Face of the Dice all the time; it caused a lot of controversies with Dice Shooters there.

A "Dice Setter" came on one of the casino cruises and kept on hitting hardways, the pitboss kept on watching him, waving his hands, trying to distract him, made fun of him (the player has a voice box), had another Casino Big Wig call the Pit's telephone on the table where the Dice Setter was rolling to try and distract him. It was one of the most disgusting displays I had ever seen in my 12 years of playing craps.

I could tell the guy was a Dice Setter by the way he threw the dice..he stood Stick Left...threw 3V, dice hit the same spot every single time on the felt, hit the back wall at the bottom and both dice died on the same spot virtually every roll. Every other roll he threw was a hardway. It was very impressive! He made about $2,000 in 1 hour and walked away from the table cursing at the Pit Boss for their bush league display. I spoke to him later in the day; he gave me some good dice setting tips but I need a lot more work.

I stopped going on the boat late last year after my guy went bankrupt. He had so much talent. I truly wished I could have convinced him to go to Vegas for a week...I really think it would have made a big difference. He saw this specific casino boat as a challenge...he made it a personal vendetta to make his money back and that was a huge mistake on his part. Sometimes you just have awful luck at a specific casino and it's best to just walk away and find a new casino to challenge. aceofspades...Stay away from REVEL!

It took me way too long to give up (10+ Sessions) playing there but I gave up because it wasn't worth it. They had me about to give up shooting the Dice permanently because of how bad things were going on that boat. Most of my bad streaks have occurred on Casino Boats/Cruises...need to stay away from ALL non-land based casinos.

By the way, this is the same Casino Boat who lost $30,000+ in one Craps session and the Casino's owner had the Craps table chopped up and thrown in the Ocean a few years ago. Players who were there during that HOT session and Casino Personnel confirmed this to me because when they came back the next day, the "Hot Craps" table was GONE!

Sounds like a sketchy joint. And it sounds like he was severely overbetting, which I'm sure led to his demise.

Quote: CrapsForever

By the way, this is the same Casino Boat who lost $30,000+ in one Craps session and the Casino's owner had the Craps table chopped up and thrown in the Ocean a few years ago. Players who were there during that HOT session and Casino Personnel confirmed this to me because when they came back the next day, the "Hot Craps" table was GONE!

good story!

One of my best friends lost in excess of $270,000 between March of 2008 and the end of September 2008.

We still call it the Summer of (Insert his name), a la the Seinfeld episode.

And that does not count winnings, that is cash lost. Admittedly some was spent on booze, strippers, his rent, car payment, etc, but that could not have been more than $15k for the six month period.

The income was from wages, cash from the sale of his home which was forced due to a domestic issue, his IRA, and about $83,000 in credit cards.

Good news is he has a work ethic and makes good $$, along with a slick talking buddy ":)" who settled his credit cards for about $22k.

Bad news is, he still remembers the day he drove down to Mountaineer and actually left the place with $18,000. What he doesn't remember is losing $11,000 the very next day and the rest plus more the very next weekend.

Needless to say it is very easy to lose tons of $$ playing any game at a casino, just start betting stupid amounts compared to your bankroll, and never be up enough to leave the table.

Quote: Maverick17

One of my best friends lost in excess of $270,000 between March of 2008 and the end of September 2008.

We still call it the Summer of (Insert his name), a la the Seinfeld episode.

And that does not count winnings, that is cash lost. Admittedly some was spent on booze, strippers, his rent, car payment, etc, but that could not have been more than $15k for the six month period.

The income was from wages, cash from the sale of his home which was forced due to a domestic issue, his IRA, and about $83,000 in credit cards.

Good news is he has a work ethic and makes good $$, along with a slick talking buddy ":)" who settled his credit cards for about $22k.

Bad news is, he still remembers the day he drove down to Mountaineer and actually left the place with $18,000. What he doesn't remember is losing $11,000 the very next day and the rest plus more the very next weekend.

Needless to say it is very easy to lose tons of $$ playing any game at a casino, just start betting stupid amounts compared to your bankroll, and never be up enough to leave the table.

That's a crazy amount of money, what was he playing and how much was he betting?

Quote: winmonkeyspit3

That's a crazy amount of money, what was he playing and how much was he betting?

mostly Roulette, back in 2008 Mountaineer would let you put $200 on a number if you wanted, and he would get to that point regularly.

If he was up, time to up the bets and bring the house down!!

If he was down, time to up the bets and get it back!!

He also plays a mean game of Donkey Blackjack. (ie, he hits and stays based on his "feeling" rather than proper strategy) As an example, some guy he was playing with apparently NEVER hit a 6. whether it be A-5, 2-4, or 3-3, and regardless of what the dealer was showing, you ALWAYS wave it off. He liked the idea and it took months to convince him of the assinity of the play.

To this day he still plays blackjack like Corky Thatcher on a meth high.

Quote: Maverick17

mostly Roulette, back in 2008 Mountaineer would let you put $200 on a number if you wanted, and he would get to that point regularly.

If he was up, time to up the bets and bring the house down!!

If he was down, time to up the bets and get it back!!

He also plays a mean game of Donkey Blackjack. (ie, he hits and stays based on his "feeling" rather than proper strategy) As an example, some guy he was playing with apparently NEVER hit a 6. whether it be A-5, 2-4, or 3-3, and regardless of what the dealer was showing, you ALWAYS wave it off. He liked the idea and it took months to convince him of the assinity of the play.

To this day he still plays blackjack like Corky Thatcher on a meth high.

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Disgusting. What is that guy's name who says never hit a 12. Fool.

Quote: Maverick17

To this day he still plays blackjack like Corky Thatcher on a meth high.

I'm definitely stealing that line to describe the way a coworker reacts to discussions about sports betting...

Quote: winmonkeyspit3

Disgusting. What is that guy's name who says never hit a 12. Fool.

That's why Michael Jackson was banned from playing blackjack in the casino... he never hit on anything over 12.

Quote: Tiltpoul

That's why Michael Jackson was banned from playing blackjack in the casino... he never hit on anything over 12.

Why would they ban him? Sounds like he would be a valued customer with his wealth and stupidity during his prime.

Quote: FinsRule

The 60k withdrawals aren't the issue.

My guess is that it's the lack of matching cash deposits.
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I remember the first time my wife saw my Win/loss statement. It was for double my yearly salary. Took a few minutes for her to see my coin in was lower than my coin out. That and I asked her when was the last time she paid for a room or meal on vacation.

jackson was more likely banned for slow payment of markers than for stupid play

Quote: WongBo

jackson was more likely banned for slow payment of markers than for stupid play

Reread the line and think of it as joke... a tasteless joke perhaps, but it was joke nonetheless

oh ok, i havent heard any michael jackson as a pedophile jokes in a few years so i missed it.
is that like when he goes to the sale at walmart because he heard they had "boys' pants, half off"

Yeah, I haven't heard one in a while. He went from a guy who was so creepy that you were almost ostracized for listening to his music to a guy you couldn't make fun of overnight. The night he died. And it is a darn shame, he is a guy begging to be made fun of, dead or alive.

Quote: rdw4potus

I'm definitely stealing that line to describe the way a coworker reacts to discussions about sports betting...

I do believe I invented the line, but feel free to use it, with or without proper citation.