How many photo id's do you have?
1. DL
2. Medical card
3. credit card
4. casino players card
5. library card
6. prescription card
7. Bj's card
8. job id
9. passport
Really? What casino does photo player's cards?Quote: only1choice4. casino players card
I was gonna say two: Drivers license and passport (although I'm not entirely sure where that is). I forgot that my BJs card has a bad photo. So three for me.
Quote: DJTeddyBearReally? What casino does photo player's cards?
I was gonna say two: Drivers license and passport (although I'm not entirely sure where that is). I forgot that my BJs card has a bad photo. So three for me.
I've got a photo on a few casino cards including Motor City and The Seneca Casinos...
Quote: JBThe majority of the items in your list aren't really ID's, just single-purpose cards with your name and account/employee number. If you get carded at a liquor store, they aren't going to accept your library card as ID. If you go into a bank to open an account, they aren't going to accept your BJ's membership card as ID.
Last year I went to tahoe and I forgot my drivers license. They looked at my job id card I work for a municipality and my credit card. On the way back home thru Reno they asked for everything I had on me, job id card, bjs card , health card, prescription card and mohegansuncard. Just saying.
How do you forget a driver's license? Isn't it always in your wallet? Did you forget your bankroll too?Quote: only1choiceLast year I went to tahoe and I forgot my drivers license.
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2) State ID (In Illinois cops take your license on a speeding ticket)
3) Library Card
4) Job ID
Quote: JBThe majority of the items in your list aren't really ID's,.
They certainly are, they're ID's specific to a certain area. If
I go to Sams Club the won't accept my DL. When I go to
Windsor they need my passport ID, not my DL.
The point of this thread is saying having a voter ID is a
hardship is nonsense. We can't avoid photo ID's, they're
everywhere.
Quote: EvenBobThey certainly are, they're ID's specific to a certain area. If
I go to Sams Club the won't accept my DL. When I go to
Windsor they need my passport ID, not my DL.
The point of this thread is saying having a voter ID is a
hardship is nonsense. We can't avoid photo ID's, they're
everywhere.
Right, but not just any photo ID will do. you can't register to vote using your Sams Club card or your library card...
2) Passport
That's it, besides old expired stuff like high school and college student IDs. Currently I'm unemployed but usually my job ID card will have my photo, but no DOB so it wouldn't work even as a last resort if I were being carded for booze. WA state CPL doesn't have a photo.
What the hell is a BJs card? I've seen several people mention it and I'm at a loss.
Quote: EvenBobThey certainly are, they're ID's specific to a certain area.
No, they're specific to the issuing organization. You can't use your BJ's membership at Sam's, even if the two businesses are located across the street from each other. As I already said, these "ID's" are single-purpose. Government-issued driver's licenses, non-driver IDs, and passports are multi-purpose.
Quote: EvenBobWhen I go to Windsor they need my passport ID, not my DL.
That's not surprising since they're located in a different country.
Quote: EvenBobThe point of this thread is saying having a voter ID is a hardship is nonsense. We can't avoid photo ID's, they're everywhere.
I don't disagree with that. What I do disagree with is the notion that a library card would be considered an acceptable ID for a liquor purchase from someone who appears underage, for example.
Quote: JBNo, they're specific to the issuing organization. You can't use your BJ's membership at Sam's, even if the two businesses are located across the street from each other. As I already said, these "ID's" are single-purpose. Government-issued driver's licenses, non-driver IDs, and passports are multi-purpose.
Some places require more than one photo ID, even if one of them
is a DL. So what. Again, the point is photo ID's are everywhere,
they aren't a hardship on any CITIZEN, just non citizens. Saying
black and Latino citizens have a harder time getting them is just
nonsense.
Quote: EvenBobSaying black and Latino citizens have a harder time getting them is just nonsense.
I never said it was difficult for any citizen to obtain a government-issued ID.
Quote: EvenBobAgain, the point is photo ID's are everywhere,
they aren't a hardship on any CITIZEN, just non citizens. Saying
black and Latino citizens have a harder time getting them is just
nonsense.
I'm not sure that color matters, except for the correlation to socio-economic standing. It's absolutely harder for someone with no car and $20 to their name to get to the DMV and pay $17 to get an ID than it is for someone with vehicular mobility and a higher ability to pay. But polling places are usually no more than a few blocks from home in urban areas, and voting is free. So getting to the ballot box is a lot easier than getting an ID for some people.
(1) Passport (but no address to be useful for voting eligibility in any precinct)
(2) Driver's License
Other photo IDs:
(3) Employee/retiree ID (no address)
(4) Bank credit card (no address)
(5) Bank ATM card (no address)
Considering the considerable effort that people in some countries go to in order to exercise their right to vote, I have some difficulty really believing that it is an overwhelming burden for an American citizen to obtain a government-issued ID. I do accept that the typical costs could be inconvenient for some very-low-income folks. If the people who oppose voter IDs would agree that assuring a valid voting process is important to the country, I suspect those folks who demand voter IDs would agree that government financial support going to the indigent could be applied to eliminate the ID fees for those who are truly needy.
Quote: rdw4potusI'm not sure that color matters, except for the correlation to socio-economic standing. It's absolutely harder for someone with no car and $20 to their name to get to the DMV and pay $17 to get an ID than it is for someone with vehicular mobility and a higher ability to pay. But polling places are usually no more than a few blocks from home in urban areas, and voting is free. So getting to the ballot box is a lot easier than getting an ID for some people.
Horse hockey. You cannot be employed legally without Id. The only reason to say you should need no Id to vote is to allow for voter fraud. Any adult in the USA has easy access to get an Id.
Quote: AZDuffmanHorse hockey. You cannot be employed legally without Id. The only reason to say you should need no Id to vote is to allow for voter fraud. Any adult in the USA has easy access to get an Id.
So this was a voter ID thread? Since it is, I guess I will state my opinion. If you cannot prove who you are, you cannot prove you get to vote or have not already voted. You cannot do a lot of things government related without an ID. How are these otherwise poor people that cannot afford a state ID card getting their social security, food debit cards, welfare, tax refunds, unemployment etc?
There are certainly some people that fall under no category where they would have to have an ID, but qualify to vote (high school seniors without a car maybe), but you really cannot do anything without an ID. If someone truly proves a hardship in getting an ID (like said poor high school seniors needing it to vote), then I see no reason to force them to have to pay for it. A vast majority of people 18+ can afford an ID, or are on government assistance where they would have to prove their identity. Comparing a necessity to be a functional person in society to a poll tax is just an excuse to create voter fraud.
Quote: AZDuffmanHorse hockey. You cannot be employed legally without Id. The only reason to say you should need no Id to vote is to allow for voter fraud. Any adult in the USA has easy access to get an Id.
It seems like you're assuming that all adults can/do work outside the home. I know plenty of people, mostly women, who don't have employment and never have. Many of them also don't drive. Somewhat ironically, most of them are Mormon.
If someone establishes a debit card, you can use it without id, and renew it without much effort too.
As long as you don't move, you could have had an id once but expired. Long as you don't move or open new accounts you may not need it.
Quote: rxwineCan the government force you to pay for a photo id in order to vote?
The state that issued more 9/11 hijackers' drivers' licenses than any other now posts these rules:
Any New Jersey resident age 17 or older who does not drive may apply for a nondriver photo identification card, which is issued solely for the purpose of providing identification. This card can be used to board an airplane, cash checks, check into a hotel, enter a bar, and anything else where state photo ID is requested.
To apply for a nondriver photo ID card from the New Jersey Motor Vehicle Commission (MVC), take the following steps:
Visit your local MVC Agency.
Fill in the front side of a nondriver ID application form.
Provide proof of age, identity, and Social Security number according to the state's six-point verification system.
Handicapped ID Card
Any New Jersey resident age 17 or older who has a disability may apply for a nondriver handicapped ID card. You can call the MVC at (609) 292-6500 or (888) 486-3339 to be sent a nondriver ID application form, or you may pick one up at the MVC Agency.
To apply for a nondriver handicapped ID card:
Fill in the front side of the nondriver ID application form.
Have your physician complete the certification portion on the back.
Visit your local MVC Agency.
Provide proof of age, identity, and Social Security number according to the state's six-point verification system.
Fees
The fee for the nondriver ID card or nondriver handicapped ID card is $24, payable by cash, check, or money order. Other fees include $24 for renewal and $11 for a duplicate or changes.
Renewing Your ID Card
New Jersey ID cards are issued for a period of four years, with an expiration date of the cardholder's birthday.
Quote: rxwineYou could be dependent spouse getting an allowance, where you take the bus instead of driving, or live so near to the store you walk (visit some neighborhoods poor enough and you see shopping cart roundup from the neighborhood)
If someone establishes a debit card, you can use it without id, and renew it without much effort too.
As long as you don't move, you could have had an id once but expired. Long as you don't move or open new accounts you may not need it.
Well you need it to vote. You cannot demand elections be more suceptable to fraud because you are too cheap and lazy to get an I'd. Funny thing is no liberal has ever produced a person who cannot get Id. They just make up these stories that people can't. P
Quote: calwatchActually I know of two people who don't have ID. One was my former next door neighbor, because I was corralled by the notary next door to vouch for her identity. I basically signed an attestation saying that I knew who she was. She was in her 70's at the time and they were trying to get a reverse mortgage on their home. The other is a friend of mine who chooses not to carry ID. He owns a successful comic book stall at a local collectibles swap meet. The last time we went to the East Coast, he brought his birth certificate and social security card to ride Amtrak. They accepted the ID in order to ride the train.
If you choose to live that way, fine. Just don't expect us to change the rules so you can vote.
The ID thing is just the latest---liberals will not be satisfied unless "minorities" get a voting precinct in their own living rooms.
Quote: AZDuffmanIf you choose to live that way, fine. Just don't expect us to change the rules so you can vote.
The ID thing is just the latest---liberals will not be satisfied unless "minorities" get a voting precinct in their own living rooms.
No the rules have just been changed so they can't vote. Good job twisting the truth.
Regressives are scared sh1tless that they will be the "minorities" in the next few decades.
As a sidebar, I couldn't care less who can vote and who can't.
No one really worth voting for anyway.
Seems that more and more Americans are starting to think that the Soviets were right.
The whole "the ID must be free or it's a poll tax" issue notwithstanding.
Just implant the RFID at birth against the parents wishes (well, the ones stupid enough to vocalize a complaint) and be done with it.
Where freedom dwells, there be my country.
Ron Paul 2012
Quote: AZDuffmanIf you choose to live that way, fine. Just don't expect us to change the rules so you can vote.
You're trying to change the laws so that they *can't* vote. The proposed changes would require ID where none is currently required...
Quote: Wavy70No the rules have just been changed so they can't vote. Good job twisting the truth.
Regressives are scared sh1tless that they will be the "minorities" in the next few decades.
Quote: rdw4potusYou're trying to change the laws so that they *can't* vote. The proposed changes would require ID where none is currently required...
No, we are trying to insure the integrity of elections and make them more tamper-proof. You have always been required to be who you are to vote, ID just brings that law into the 20th century--we should have been asking for ID 40+ years ago. That it lasted this long without such a law is amazing.
As to Wavy's racist-hate rant, please notice that it is liberals who are fascinated with grouping people by skin color, not conservatives. And in reality, nobody will be a "minority" at that time, just a pluarality. Can you lefties make a point without brining up race??
Quote: AZDuffmanCan you lefties make a point without brining up race??
I did, when I pointed out that it's not the left who is trying to change the laws:-)
In Mexico the electoral rolls are handled by a federal agency knwons as Instituto Federal electoral (Federal Electoral Institute), IFE for short. They also manage Federal elections, that is those for president, deputies (the equivalent of the US House of Representatives) and senators.
There is an ID card issued by the IFE called "Credencial de Elector," or "Voter Credential" (more or less). This contians a photo, address, electoral info (district, state, etc), and a fingerprint. You cannot vote without it in any kind of election, be it local, state or federal. The ID is free of charge.
It has also become the ID of choice for most purposes, such as cashing checks, baording airplanes, obtaining apssports, etc etc. Many banks won't accept a DL as valid ID anymore (this goes back to some ridiculous incident in the 90s), though they will accept a passport, Military Service card (it's still supposed to be mandatory), and other less well-known forms of ID.
Further, in the back there are some squares marked "local" and "federal" with smaller squares marking off years. The cards issued int he 90s wnet up to "03," so around 2010, the IFE annoucned these were no longer vlaid and had to be replaced (I'd replaced mine in 08 when I moved). There were extensions, estensions to the extensions, long story short by late 2011 the "03" cards were no longer valid.
So how prevalent is vote fraud in mexico today?
Not very, surprisingly enough. Lopez Obrador claimed fraud in the 06 election, but he knew he'd lost and he was merely making noise and agitating for his side. In some small vilalges in the hinterlands of Oaxaca, guerrero and other of the mroe backwards, more corrupt states, they use a system of "usages and customs" which pretty much strips voters fo all rights as far as elections are concerned. That's fraud, yes, but done quite openly.
Quote: Gabes22There is no legitimate reason whatsoever for you not to prove who you are when going to the polls. Heck, having a Voter ID could protect YOUR right to vote.
Just see the video where the woman at the polls was willing to give Eric Holder's right to vote to a random guy who walked up and said he was Eric Holder.
Note the stats they give about 25% of black having no government ID. That one really does not pass the smell test. It is saying 25% of blacks do not drive a car; do not work as a W-2 employee; do not reveive government benefits; were never in the military; OR any other of the host of other easy ways to get one. Do they just make these things up, or did they just ask 4 blacks if they had an ID, then one said they didn't, so they say, "See, 25% of blacks do not have a government ID--demanding one to vote is racist!"
Quote: WizardNareed was nice enough to give me some of his old ones at WoVcon-2.
C'mon, Wiz! Nareed was nice enough to do that, and you won't even use the name that he created? It was WoVCon ][.
Quote: AZDuffmanWell, well, well, looks like the liberals realized requiring ID to vote IS important. It is just that it is only important in their internal elections, not the public ones!
Note the stats they give about 25% of black having no government ID. That one really does not pass the smell test. It is saying 25% of blacks do not drive a car; do not work as a W-2 employee; do not reveive government benefits; were never in the military; OR any other of the host of other easy ways to get one. Do they just make these things up, or did they just ask 4 blacks if they had an ID, then one said they didn't, so they say, "See, 25% of blacks do not have a government ID--demanding one to vote is racist!"
Super detective work, great article.
Quote: only1choiceSuper detective work, great article.
I think the author had Nareed transcribe the article for him:
Quote:With so much at state, Democrats have decided ....
When their own party is at state, it seems their priorities are ....
Actually, Nareed generally uses all the correct letters, just in a more creative sequence than the rest of us.
Quote: AZDuffman
Note the stats they give about 25% of black having no government ID.
How do they do anything without ID? You can't get gas or electric, food stamps,
welfare, rent an apartment, open a bank account, get a credit card, buy booze,
drive or own a car, have a job, and a dozen other things without ID. The people
who write this stuff think we're stupid.
Quote: EvenBobHow do they do anything without ID? You can't get gas or electric, food stamps,
welfare, rent an apartment, open a bank account, get a credit card, buy booze,
drive or own a car, have a job, and a dozen other things without ID. The people
who write this stuff think we're stupid.
What galls me is when they say it is 25%. I can believe there are 1-3% of the population that has no ID and wants it that way. They want to live off the grid. Like Henry Hill who claimed his Social Security card and drivers license were phony and he never voted; paid taxes; or had anything in his name besides his yellow sheets.
Lets take just two things you need ID for: driving a car and having a W-2 job. The statement that "25% of blacks do not have photo ID" means that 25% of blacks have neither driven a car legally nor have they ever had a legit job. I will leave it to the math people here to say if there is an algorithm for that, but such a statement staggers the mind. Even if you accept that blacks drive at lower rates than whites, which they probably do what with living in denser areas, is it 25%? But it has to be higher, much higher, because they are claiming that they never, ever held a job, either. The two populations would never be congruent since many working blacks take the bus to work. I have known a few who didn't drive but knew them at work. Then flip it, there is some unknown but positive number who drive but do not work. This could be legitimate like a stay-at-home mom or retired person.
And yet the media and liberal folks believe this "they don't have ID" nonsense.
I figure it this way:
1-2% of blacks have no ID.
1-2% of whites have no ID.
100% of dead people have no ID.
