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treetopbuddy
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February 8th, 2014 at 10:34:16 AM permalink
Something is not right with the poll results.
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Nareed
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February 8th, 2014 at 10:55:47 AM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

Something is not right with the poll results.



Too many people voted "No"?
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treetopbuddy
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February 9th, 2014 at 7:10:07 AM permalink
Quote: Nareed

Too many people voted "No"?



38 voted "yes", more than double the naysayers. A silent majority is lurking? The principles have been clear on this matter.
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February 11th, 2014 at 11:41:38 AM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

38 voted "yes", more than double the naysayers. A silent majority is lurking? The principles have been clear on this matter.


Not really surprising on controversial issues. Many people may support it, but may not want to publicly state their opinion for fear of stigma.
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February 11th, 2014 at 12:30:08 PM permalink
" It meth wasn't illicit it wouldn't be cooked in neighborhoods next to elementary schools but in industrial districts with proper safety controls. "

wtf ?
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February 11th, 2014 at 12:34:56 PM permalink
Quote: Gandler

Not really surprising on controversial issues. Many people may support it, but may not want to publicly state their opinion for fear of stigma.



Or maybe they don't want to waste their time arguing with people who want to dictate to the rest of the world how to live their lives?
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February 21st, 2014 at 10:06:52 AM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

" It meth wasn't illicit it wouldn't be cooked in neighborhoods next to elementary schools but in industrial districts with proper safety controls. "

wtf ?



I cracked up when I came to the 'wtf' lol
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February 21st, 2014 at 10:44:28 AM permalink
Quote: BizzyB

Heroin selling and using is generally not punished in some countries. This is bad. I'd agree with you on most drugs, but not ones that cause unbeatable addictions and financial ruin.



If we're going with one or the other of those two, we have to take cigarettes off the legal list, because those are a bitch to quit. Of course, we could do the same for alcohol as well, knowing how many lives it has taken.

Or we could just educate people from the ground up how to be responsible with alcohol, pot, etc. and fund universal rehab for people with addictions. Nah, that's crazy. Tossing people in prison for a small amount of pot and turning them into hardened criminals so the prisons and police departments can rake in insane amounts in money and stuff is so much better.
reno
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February 21st, 2014 at 5:10:22 PM permalink
Jacob Sullum attempts to debunk some meth myths.

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Despite all the talk of a “meth epidemic,” the drug has never been very popular. “At the height of methamphetamine’s popularity,” Hart et al. write, “there were never more than a million current users of the drug in the United States. This number is considerably lower than the 2.5 million cocaine users, the 4.4 million illegal prescription opioid users, or the 15 million marijuana smokers during the same period.” Furthermore, illicit methamphetamine use had been waning for years at the point when Newsweek identified “The Meth Epidemic” as “America’s New Drug Crisis.”



So is methamphetamine unpopular because it's illegal? Or is methamphetamine unpopular because everyone knows it's dangerous? Personally, I wouldn't touch that nasty stuff regardless of its legal status.

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I'm unpersuaded by Sullum's argument that the health hazards of meth are greatly exagerated:

Quote: Sullum

Laboratory research also has found that “d-amphetamine and methamphetamine produce nearly identical physiological and behavioral effects,” Hart et al. write. “They both increase blood pressure, pulse, euphoria, and desire to take the drug in a dose-dependent manner. Essentially, they are the same drug.” That observation helps put methamphetamine’s risks in perspective, since d-amphetamine, a.k.a. dextroamphetamine, is one of the main ingredients in Adderall, a stimulant widely prescribed for ADHD. Hart et al. note that methamphetamine, like dextroamphetamine, increases heart rate and blood pressure, but “well below levels obtained when engaged in a rigorous physical exercise.” When given to research subjects, “the drug didn’t keep people up for consecutive days, it didn’t dangerously elevate their vital signs, nor did it impair their judgment.” Contrary to tales of meth-induced murder and mayhem, “There is no empirical evidence that suggests that even long-term users of methamphetamine pose a threat to those around them.”



I'm skeptical. Perhaps Adderall produces euphoria, but still less euphoria than street meth. Perhaps Adderall's active ingredient is less concentrated than meth on the street. Perhaps street meth users have access to enormous quantities of cheap meth, whereas Adderall users are limited by their prescription.

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Sullum questions meth's addictiveness by pointing to this study:

Quote: Hart, et al

Under one condition, methamphetamine-dependent individuals were given a choice between taking a big hit of methamphetamine (50 mg) or $5 in cash. They chose the drug on about half of the opportunities. But when we increased the amount of money to $20, they almost never chose the drug.



This is also unpersuasive. Perhaps even a hardcore meth user would still choose the $20 because they know they can purchase a greater quantity of meth than the "hit" the researchers were offering. And if the user already has a closet full of meth at home, perhaps the $20 cash would be more useful.
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February 21st, 2014 at 8:18:02 PM permalink
Quote: reno

This is also unpersuasive. Perhaps even a hardcore meth user would still choose the $20 because they know they can purchase a greater quantity of meth than the "hit" the researchers were offering.


After a bit of net research and Lord knows that could be worthless. It looks like introductory hits might be about 5-10mg. The street price of meth might be near $80 per gram. So, on that basis it seems like the meth would be the better EV (in the weirdest sense possible) choice. However we know nothing about purity or other additives which could effect "customer choice"

Quote: reno

And if the user already has a closet full of meth at home, perhaps the $20 cash would be more useful.


I think this would be interesting to speak to the researchers about. I'm curious because I think you might be onto something.

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