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October 30th, 2014 at 10:50:44 AM permalink
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Are we related?

Brothers in arms.

Refresh mine - why do some threads not appear in recents? Is it the category "Free Speech Zone"?
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October 30th, 2014 at 11:48:46 AM permalink
I believe so. The Wizard was so repulsed by this thread that he put it in the Free Speech Zone.
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October 31st, 2014 at 1:31:58 AM permalink
Got it
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October 31st, 2014 at 10:24:41 AM permalink
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I am none of the things that I have been falsely accused of. I harbor no vendettas and I hate no one past or present.



I wouldn't worry about it.

Everyone has a "thing". Mine is hockey and guns. Mention them and I can't help but post. Yours seems to be rules. I'd bet you have more responses to rules than anyone. And who cares? You have opinions, you have questions, and you air them. That's kind of the point of a forum. I wish I could find more people to be critical of me.

I think this is just a case of Letter of the Law vs Spirit of the Law. The spam rule came because many were multi-posting nonsense. Some easy to find question, or easily answerable question, or outright spam of outside products and/or services. Obviously, we didn't want that here. Babs' however dealt with a forum friend, one whose services are used by many here. One who went through some deal that might make him hard to find. The multi-post wasn't only beneficial to him, but to any member in the distant future who might have a need of his services. Looking at it, I can see the benefit of having it in more than one place.

I will admit it kind of caught me off guard, and had it been anyone else, I might have hastily nuked one thread and reminded them of the spam rule. But both the content and the author made me think about it, and after doing so I don't see a problem with it.

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Now everyone do a good deed or a random act of kindness today. It will feel good. I promise.



I got the croup but am gonna suck it up and take my boy trick or treating. That will have to do for today =p
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October 31st, 2014 at 11:28:32 AM permalink
Thanks for responding, Face. Other than the age difference, you and I are probably more alike than either of us realize. Now who's insulted? :-)

It's not the rules, of which many are vague, it's the uneven administering of them as well as the appearance of favoritism that concerns me.

Nothing against Attorney Newman. In fact, if he says the word I'll be happy to put his information in my signature for the month of November. It has to come from him directly or through an administrator.
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October 31st, 2014 at 12:34:42 PM permalink
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It's not the rules, of which many are vague, it's the uneven administering of them as well as the appearance of favoritism that concerns me.



I understand, and I don't think anyone took it as a jab at Mr. Newman. I just don't think there's a better way.

As it stands, we all work autonomously. It's been like that since the jump. In the two years I've been modding, I can think of maybe two incidents we handled as a group; both involved an intended harsh punishment of a long time member which garnered a lot of member responses. All others we just digest and react upon individually.

This of course creates "unfairness", as we all have different personalities. Wiz seems to be touchy about profanity, whereas I both hear and use it all day long. Say "shit" in front of Wiz and you'll likely get a break. Say it in front of me and I'll just hope you stop, maybe with a request to tone it down. This, of course, is unfair.

But I hate authoritarianism, I hate censorship, I hate punishment for punishment's sake. And the only way I can think to make things "fair" is to take all thought out of punishment. Petroglyph just now referred to something political as "bullshit". When Buzz returned from his last break, he appeared to be poking the dragon what with his constant ads about sporting apparel. Nearly everyone in a political or world events based conversation quotes and links without giving credit to the original author. In order to make things "fair", I presume the only course would be to nail everyone for everything. Not only that, but what about those who purposely skirt that line to inflame others? If there's no rule broken, and we're not allowed to think, they have free reign to disrupt to their heart's content. I posit that that type of atmosphere would be far, far worse than what we have now.

But, of course, this again is my own personal opinion based on my own personality. Maybe you feel differently or have an idea that I'd have never thought of. If you do, I'd hear it. If not... how would you make it better? How do you raise the fairness without also raising the number of mindless punishments?
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November 1st, 2014 at 4:59:36 AM permalink
I just love the Free Speech Zone and I love Forum Rule 9. Ready? Here we go.

Why aren't blondes good at robbing banks?

Because they tie up the safe and blow the guards.

Surely no one is offended by a joke that has an offhand reference to fellatio, especially in a thread where the first post calls for the slaughter of innocent pregnant women and their infants.
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November 3rd, 2014 at 5:47:27 PM permalink
Are racial epithets and hate speech directed at other forum members allowed in the FREE SPEECH zone? Or is it more like the content-regulated, 1st Amendment doesn't really exist zone?
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November 3rd, 2014 at 10:18:39 PM permalink
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Are racial epithets and hate speech directed at other forum members allowed in the FREE SPEECH zone? Or is it more like the content-regulated, 1st Amendment doesn't really exist zone?



Mike is probably best suited to answer this, but I think this was an attempt to corral the hot-button topics like politics and such before DT was created. Personally, I would admin it as a place where obscenities, fringe ideas and ugly speech would be tolerated, but personal insults towards members would still be subject to suspensions.
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November 4th, 2014 at 10:14:46 AM permalink
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Or is it more like the content-regulated, 1st Amendment doesn't really exist zone?



This, mostly.

The FSZ was created before we had rules, mods, or an offshoot "anything goes" forum called DT. Wiz wished for WoV to remain gaming and Vegas, but is ever reluctant to silence people or otherwise censor their thoughts. The FSZ came about as an outlet for topics like religion, politics, and sex to land.

Over time it got a little too filled with conspiracy theories, a little too heated for what he was trying to accomplish. It was removed from Recent Threads to sort of draw attention away from it, to little avail. A dust up resulted in Wiz closing the sub-forum to new posts.

So no. It wasn't created to serve as a cesspool of hate. And now, it is all but dead.

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