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Croupier
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February 17th, 2011 at 6:22:07 PM permalink
Go for it, Ive got nothing but time tonight.
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Nareed
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February 18th, 2011 at 7:19:00 AM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

You last line is a sign of what little respect you have for the transgendered community. Which suggest you have some issue that you need to work through with it, and you find trans-gendered people a threat of some sort.(*) Such displaced anger. Who'd have thought it?
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(*) I don't know if that sentence is true. I thought I'd try a little psycho-babble myself.



Oh, I don't think the Lord High Panjandrum mkl whatsisnumber has any specific issues towards transgendred people. I agree it's all psycho babble, but turnabout is fair play (isn't it?). So My UNprofessional opinion is that mkl is a narcissist who suffers from the need to be recognized as being right all the time. This time the subject were TG people. It could have been something else, like cheating by casinos, tax policy, social studies, owning a trucking company, anythign at all.

Then again he may have some TG issues regarding his nephew. I'd sympathize, except it's mkl we're talking about. Transmen have it rough, and the results of transition are, as I understand, highly unsatisfactory. Many opt out of full SRS altogether because it does little for them. But I don't know enough about the subject, and have only known a couple of female-to-male transsexuals. In any case, I'll cover some of those details in the GLBT section.
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mkl654321
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February 18th, 2011 at 4:55:42 PM permalink
Quote: Croupier

MKL, can you not think of other peoples feelings, and Nareed, can you not either block mkl, or use your patented write, wait, post method to avoid jumping in.

In the words of President Dale "Why can't we work out our differences? Why can't we work things out? Little people, why can't we all just get along?"



I do think of other people's feelings. In Nareed's case, I truly feel sorry for him, and I certainly understand where his paranoia, his hypersensitivity, and his drastically defensive attitude comes from. He feels he's been picked on all his life. No doubt most people he floated his transgender desires past didn't receive the news well. In his mind, he's conflating me with all those people who heaped scorn on him all his life, simply because I pointed out that a sex change operation is a practical impossibility. To him, that makes me an LBGT-hater. His eyes-bugged-out, insult-laden tirades at me have been puzzling in the sheer magnitude of rage aimed my way.

So I'm not dealing with a rational person, at least not when he is immersed in this topic, and the best way to "work out my differences" with Nareed is to gently acknowledge, then step carefully around, his pathology.
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
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February 18th, 2011 at 5:17:47 PM permalink
Quote: mkl654321


So I'm not dealing with a rational person, at least not when he is immersed in this topic, and the best way to "work out my differences" with Nareed is to gently acknowledge, then step carefully around, his pathology.



I think its the gentle that has been lacking. As you probably know, you come across pretty abrasively at times. Im not saying Nareed is completely blameless, as her closeness to the subject matter clouds her judgement and colours her responses. Maybe you could do slightly more to tone down your responses, as could Nareed.
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Nareed
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February 18th, 2011 at 5:46:00 PM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

I do think of other people's feelings.



I agree. 100% you do need to think of other people's feelings when pondering how to squish them flat.

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In Nareed's case, I truly feel sorry for him, and I certainly understand where his paranoia, his hypersensitivity, and his drastically defensive attitude comes from.



Do you understand where your projection is coming from?

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In his mind, he's conflating me with all those people who heaped scorn on him all his life,



Get this through your thick skull: I'm not conflating anyone. I dislike YOU personally. I have since you came in the forum. if you don't believe anyone could possibly dislike you, that you need to make excuses even for your enemies, then you're the one who's sick.

I'll prove it, too.
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boymimbo
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February 19th, 2011 at 7:38:00 AM permalink
Just thought I would weigh in without trying to offend anyone. In my personal experience my best friend's "sister" is now a "brother". The girl just never felt right in her own body and she underwent the process to become a man.

Personally, I don't get it. What drives someone to make a decision to become TG? What drives someone to spend the money, effort, and therapies to change their sexual identity? What drives one to look at oneself and say, "I should be a man", or "I should be a woman". Is there deep unhappiness with who they are, so much so, that they believe that the only way they will be happy is to become TG? Do people who make the choice to become TG do so, only to find out that they are no happier after making the choice and undergoing all of the things that make them into the opposite gender? I wonder.

In the case of my best friend, both he and his "brother" (in my opinion) have mental issues... nothing serious enough to send them to a mental hospital, but both have enough hangups and issues to prevent them from finding meaningful relationships with those that attract them (they are in their 40s). Knowing their parents quite well, I understand why they turned out the way they did.

I'm with MKL, ONLY in the simple truth that you can't change a man completely into a woman and vice versa. I know that you argue, Nareed that women without part of their reproductive system are still women and that there are HRTs available to simulate the sex hormones, but still, don't you think there's something missing?

And, I don't understand the reasoning behind making the choice to change sex. That's my ignorance. Weirdly enough, I've asked a bunch of questions to my best friend, and he doesn't have the answers either. He can't even answer the question "what sex is your brother attracted to?".
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Nareed
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February 19th, 2011 at 7:50:52 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

Personally, I don't get it. What drives someone to make a decision to become TG?



One reason you don't get it is the way you're looking at it. Ask yourself "what drove me not to be TG?" The question is meaningless, but so is yours. It's something you are, not something you choose to be.

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don't you think there's something missing?



Yes, there's something missing. The error here is to think sex reassignment surgery is what makes someone a given gender. There's a lot more to being a woman, or a man, than what your genitals look like and what organs are inside you.

I suggest, though, that if you want to discuss this topic you post on the GLBT section.
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October 30th, 2014 at 4:31:59 AM permalink
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They should be passing PRO nuclear power and PRO nuclear war laws, the way some towns passed mandatory gun ownership laws when some group clamored to ban firearms.

All this makes as much sense as the law that makes it a misdemeanor to kick, carry, punt, throw or any manner convey or cause to be conveyed an inflated pigskin across the goal line of the Tuscon Badgers and is prominently posted in the visiting teams locker room.

Smuggling hugely pregnant women across the border so they deliver in the USA and the brat has citizenship does take place. The law SHOULD be that the Coyote, the woman and the little brat get shot on sight and their corpses left to rot right where they are found.

I'm tired of tax money going to pass laws trying to restrict violence in video games or laws that require teaching certain subjects in a school such as evolution, creationism or holocaust biases. I'm tired of new laws. Legislatures been passing laws for darn near two hundred years and they still ain't got it right yet. The best states are the ones who run occasional sessions of the legislature on a part-time non-salaried basis. Its a free country is simply a slogan that is inapplicable in any nation that passes more than five laws a year.

Texas wanted an English Only law... yet entire areas of Texas spoke Russian and German, not English or Spanish when Texas was being settled. Legislators are opposed to laborers riding the rails from farm to farm mainly because such laborers are viewed as ethnically undesirable but until 1910 the highest migrant laboring groups in this country were the Germans and Irish.

Schools are major circulators of pathogens and are a net loss to societal productivity and SHOULD be illegal but any politician who tries to force parents to school their children would be hanged from the nearest lamp post by marauding mobs of enraged mothers.

Stop looking for common sense, truth or a sense of values in politics! It ain't never been there and it ain't never gonna be there. We fought a revolution partly to be free of citizens having to support all those Crown officials yet we as a nation now support more federal, state and local officials than was ever contemplated by the Founding Fathers.



In the Rich Newman Patent Attorney Info Thread I have been vilified and insulted multiple times for pointing out a rules violation. Since that thread has been closed I'll use this space to rebut the vicious, unwarranted character assassination that I suffered as a result.

I merely pointed out a violation just as all the little tattlers do here every day. The difference is that I didn't slink around behind the scenes. I rocked the boat in full view of everyone. Transparency. For that I have been insulted multiple times and falsely accused of some very vile, ugly things. All for rocking the boat. One person started and others piled on. One went so far as to tell me how to address another forum member. Others have implied that it's perfectly acceptable to break the rules. Who knew?

I have been falsely and maliciously accused of spewing hate, an unfounded allegation that I find particularly vicious and insulting. I've been falsely accused of having a vendetta. If you look up vendetta you can see that the word is really misused here although it could be spun to fit. I've been told in front of the entire forum that my posts are a waste of time, another awful, dare I say hateful, insult. All for rocking the boat.

I am none of the things that I have been falsely accused of. I harbor no vendettas and I hate no one past or present. Hate only consumes the vessel that contains it. Some here should really take that to heart. I'm a big boy so I'll survive these spiteful attacks perpetrated on an anonymous internet. People who know me in real life are the ones who count and who know what I'm about and what I stand for. If anyone on this forum feels the need to validate themselves or make up for their shortcomings by insulting me, be my guest and have at it. I can take it.

Oh, I almost forgot. If you want to see what I consider hate, read the third paragraph of the quoted post above and pay particular attention to the second sentence. Sorry to bring up such a horrific image but, unlike pointing out a rule violation, this is something that should not be swept under the rug.

Now everyone do a good deed or a random act of kindness today. It will feel good. I promise.
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October 30th, 2014 at 9:24:51 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB

In the Rich Newman Patent Attorney Info Thread I have been vilified and insulted multiple times for pointing out a rules violation. Since that thread has been closed I'll use this space to rebut the vicious, unwarranted character assassination that I suffered as a result.

I merely pointed out a violation just as all the little tattlers do here every day. The difference is that I didn't slink around behind the scenes. I rocked the boat in full view of everyone. Transparency. For that I have been insulted multiple times and falsely accused of some very vile, ugly things. All for rocking the boat. One person started and others piled on. One went so far as to tell me how to address another forum member. Others have implied that it's perfectly acceptable to break the rules. Who knew?

I have been falsely and maliciously accused of spewing hate, an unfounded allegation that I find particularly vicious and insulting. I've been falsely accused of having a vendetta. If you look up vendetta you can see that the word is really misused here although it could be spun to fit. I've been told in front of the entire forum that my posts are a waste of time, another awful, dare I say hateful, insult. All for rocking the boat.

I am none of the things that I have been falsely accused of. I harbor no vendettas and I hate no one past or present. Hate only consumes the vessel that contains it. Some here should really take that to heart. I'm a big boy so I'll survive these spiteful attacks perpetrated on an anonymous internet. People who know me in real life are the ones who count and who know what I'm about and what I stand for. If anyone on this forum feels the need to validate themselves or make up for their shortcomings by insulting me, be my guest and have at it. I can take it.

Oh, I almost forgot. If you want to see what I consider hate, read the third paragraph of the quoted post above and pay particular attention to the second sentence. Sorry to bring up such a horrific image but, unlike pointing out a rule violation, this is something that should not be swept under the rug.

Now everyone do a good deed or a random act of kindness today. It will feel good. I promise.

+100,000

And, good deed done.
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October 30th, 2014 at 10:41:47 AM permalink
Thanks, chickenman. You're one of the good guys here. Are we related? :-)

Narragansett Bay is fairly calm right now so.......don't.......rock........the........boat!

Too bad this thread is partially hidden. Everyone should see it without stumbling upon it.
Many people, especially ignorant people, want to punish you for speaking the truth. - Mahatma Ghandi

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