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I wouldn't advocate banning him just on his illogic, his disgusting racism, homophobia, and misogyny; nor would I advocate banning him based on his childish tendency to nitpick details and hijack threads. Nor would I advocate banning him based on his penchant for personal attacks, even for those ones that make no real sense ("You're from Oregon where the women don't shave their legs!!!! Nyahh nyahh neener neener!!!").
I realize that I have largely responded in kind, but it should be noted that three times recently, I have offered the peace pipe to Jerry, and promised him that I would cease all attacks on him if he promised to cease his attacks on me in return. He pissed on all three offers. That is because, AS HE HIMSELF SAYS, he enjoys making people angry, and that is his primary reason for being on this board.
So I'd like everyone to decide whether they enjoy having a member on this board who contributes nothing but bragging and insults, and DELIBERATELY STARTS ARGUMENTS FOR HIS OWN SICK AMUSEMENT. Do we need people like JerryLogan on this board, or in this world, for that matter? People who deliberately sow discord, and start fights for their own gratification?
So please vote for whether I should leave, or Jerry should. If I get more votes than Jerry, I'll leave. If Jerry gets more votes than me, he won't leave, but we'll at least know how many people WANT him to. (I will, as a matter of fairness, not vote, and will disregard Jerry's vote, even if he votes to ban himself.)
Quote: mkl654321
So please vote for whether I should leave, or Jerry should. If I get more votes than Jerry, I'll leave.
Good grief, do you have any conception how self serving and immature a thread like this is? Having a popularity contest about yourself is about as low as you can go on the 'hey, look at me' meter.
Quote: TheNightflyYou have put this to a vote. You have said you'd leave if you receive more votes than Jerry. Setting aside any opinion regarding either of you personally (as I know neither of you personally), in my opinion you both bring discord to this site and regardless of the different ways in which you both do this I feel that this site would benefit by saying a permanent goodbye to both of you. You have both broken the Wizard's rules on numerous occasions. I wouldn't have mentioned this had you not started this thread but as you have started the thread and have asked to be judged, that's my opinion. I hope others agree with it and I hope the result is that you both disappear. For the record, I voted for both.
Well, I respect your honest opinion, and accept it, since I asked for it. For what it's worth, though, if others agree with you, neither one of us will wind up leaving. (And I realize that Jerry won't be leaving as a result of this vote regardless of how it goes.)
I do think that an absence of JerryLogan would result in much less of the discord that you mentioned, but an absence of myself wouldn't accomplish that, since Jerry would just single out someone else to attack--he already has flung stinkbombs at several other posters.
Quote: EvenBobGood grief, do you have any conception how self serving and immature a thread like this is? Having a popularity contest about yourself is about as low as you can go on the 'hey, look at me' meter.
It's not how you paint it, Bob. In any case, please vote. I know that you and I have clashed on many occasions, so I expect you to vote against me. I have factored that in.
Quote: mkl654321
I do think that an absence of JerryLogan would result in much less of the discord .
LOL! No, the absence of Jerry would mean one less person calling you on the carpet when you make up 'facts' to support your arguments. Thats what this is really about, you want free reign to be the resident know it all with no opposition. Sorry, real life isn't quite that easy.
Quote: mkl654321It's not how you paint it, Bob.
Its not how I paint what? Whats next, who has bigger equipment, you or Jerry? We already know who has the biggest ego.
Quote: EvenBobLOL! No, the absence of Jerry would mean one less person calling you on the carpet when you make up 'facts' to support your arguments. Thats what this is really about, you want free reign to be the resident know it all with no opposition. Sorry, real life isn't quite that easy.
Well, perhaps we should consider the question of whether YOU should stick around...since your two posts on this thread have been for the sole purpose of starting an argument...
And Bob, despite what you say, I don't care that he disagrees with me; I care HOW he does that.
What a waste of a thread.
Quote: mkl654321
I don't care that he disagrees with me; I care HOW he does that.
So because you can't control that, your answer is to get rid of him. Uh Huh. I've been on forums of one kind or another since 1992 and have made hundreds of thousands of posts. In all that time it has never occurred to me to try and get rid of another poster. Not once. I feel they have just as much of a right to post as I do, who am I to be the judge of who stays and who goes. Of course, I'm not a control freak, that might have something to do with it.
Quote: JerryLoganFour words: Grow up/Wise up.
What a waste of a thread.
Five words: Your vote doesn't count, Jerry.
What a waste of a post.
As far as this 'vote', to me it has little value, really. This is the Wiz's site, and he has set up rules, and I am happy to have him as the judge and jury. I would offer that both of you have broken his newly imposed rules many times, but if he does not agree with me then I am happy to live with it.
I think you would have much to offer here if you would just stick to the facts.
I think JL would have much to offer, too. His perspective is a refreshing change, if he would just omit the personal attacks, too.
mkl- as a fellow professor, I think you can rise above the negative comments and think what you would want your students to do if presented with someone with some illogical point.
Quote: SOOPOOmkl- perhaps you can take this as a learning experience. As of now 11 out of 17 voters want you gone. I can assure you that on every 'math based' argument with JL I have agreed with you, but after a simple post stating the facts, I let it go. The number of threads you have hijacked is extremely high. And if you feel that JL has disparaged you, then you should just let it go. The recent 'yes you are, no I'm not, yes you are' type arguments you have had remind me of two pre teens fighting.
As far as this 'vote', to me it has little value, really. This is the Wiz's site, and he has set up rules, and I am happy to have him as the judge and jury. I would offer that both of you have broken his newly imposed rules many times, but if he does not agree with me then I am happy to live with it.
I think you would have much to offer here if you would just stick to the facts.
I think JL would have much to offer, too. His perspective is a refreshing change, if he would just omit the personal attacks, too.
mkl- as a fellow professor, I think you can rise above the negative comments and think what you would want your students to do if presented with someone with some illogical point.
I guess I'm reacting to the fact that the first thing JL did when he returned from his ban was crap on me--and that ban was for doing exactly that. He just recently implied that I was a member of the "National Man-Boy Love Association" (and is now trying to weasel out of it). I have also offered repeatedly to strike a truce with him, and he has nastily refused each time.
So I don't think he and I are on the same level AT ALL. I would also note, in response to your comment, that 13 out of 17 voters (Jerry's vote doesn't count) want HIM gone, with or without me.
Let me ask you this--do you think Jerry would start to behave if I left?
If nobody "wins", I'll probably stick around, and just resume blocking Jerry. I've tried appealing to his better nature (how stupid of me), I've tried getting him banned for his racism, misogyny, homophobia, and just general nastiness, and I guess the remaining option is to tolerate him or leave. To use the professor analogy, if I was FORCED to have a student like him in my class--one who was loud, disruptive, kept throwing things, hitting other students, peeing in the corner, etc.--I would probably have to resign my job rather than putting up with such an unruly child.
Now we know what a buck ninety's worth!
Quote: JerryLoganwaaa....waaa....waaa....
Now we know what a buck ninety's worth!
Your post exemplifies why 14 out of 18 responders so far want to see you leave.
Quote: SOOPOONow it is 13 out of 19 who want you gone. That more want JL gone is not relevant to how people feel about YOU. The math says that 68.42% want you gone. All the drivel in your last post does not obviate that fact. I suggest you re-read my last post and TRY to learn from it. I believe that you are salvagable. If you want to be.
Do you consider anything about the tone of your post to be inappropriate? If not, I suggest a little introspection would be in order.
-B
Quote: mkl654321
So please vote for whether I should leave, or Jerry should.
Nah. It will work itself out eventually.
I still vote for the system where when enough users have flagged a user's post, an auto-24 hour ban or something similar goes into effect.
Quote: mkl654321Do you consider anything about the tone of your post to be inappropriate? If not, I suggest a little introspection would be in order.
Just to be clear here...SOOPOO's post reads a LOT like one of yours, MKL. If you have a problem with that tone, STOP WRITING LIKE THAT.
Quote: mkl654321Well, I respect your honest opinion, and accept it, since I asked for it. For what it's worth, though, if others agree with you, neither one of us will wind up leaving. (And I realize that Jerry won't be leaving as a result of this vote regardless of how it goes.)
I do think that an absence of JerryLogan would result in much less of the discord that you mentioned, but an absence of myself wouldn't accomplish that, since Jerry would just single out someone else to attack--he already has flung stinkbombs at several other posters.
But those other posters (myself included) don't allow themselves to get troll-baited. It takes two to tango - don't dance with a troll and you won't get your toes stepped on.
In short, I dislike both and feel that neither brings more to the table than they take away (with the conflict, childish behavior, insults, unnecessary drama, and rudeness they've displayed). I've always thought the forums are best run with intelligent debate. It's great to disagree with someone and argue points back & forth. But if you can't do it without including personal attacks, high-jacking threads, and having a holier than thou attitude, you shouldn't be posting. (Let's use some manners and talk about people behind their backs like polite people do!)
I voted for both to go. At the time I'm posting this, the voting shows:
MKL leaves - 6
Jerry Logan leaves - 7
Neither leaves - 1
Both leave - 19
That means that about 76% of the voters want MKL to leave and 79% want Jerry Logan to leave. I think the consensus is fairly clear on this. I'm curious to see what (if anything) happens.
Quote: rdw4potusJust to be clear here...SOOPOO's post reads a LOT like one of yours, MKL. If you have a problem with that tone, STOP WRITING LIKE THAT.
Just to be clear..I wasn't objecting to his tone per se, rather, that a post complaining about someone else's tone, that USES THAT VERY SAME TONE ITSELF, is a bit...dare I say...hypocritical? In other words, what you just said applies to SOOPOO, too (I hope you somehow fathom this).
Quote: Toes14It's great to disagree with someone and argue points back & forth.
I voted for both to go. At the time I'm posting this, the voting shows:
MKL leaves - 6
Jerry Logan leaves - 7
Neither leaves - 1
Both leave - 19
That means that about 76% of the voters want MKL to leave and 79% want Jerry Logan to leave. I think the consensus is fairly clear on this. I'm curious to see what (if anything) happens.
I (slightly) disagree with your interpretation. In this particular poll, a person can vote for more than one outcome. For example, I voted for MKL leaving, Jerry leaving, and both of them leaving. My reasoning is that I'd consider any of the 3 events to be a win for the board. Since it's possible to vote for more than one outcome, the whole % thing is very hard to sort through. But, I'd bet that a higher percentage of people than it appears have voted for one or both of them to leave.
Quote: rdw4potusI (slightly) disagree with your interpretation. In this particular poll, a person can vote for more than one outcome. For example, I voted for MKL leaving, Jerry leaving, and both of them leaving. My reasoning is that I'd consider any of the 3 events to be a win for the board. Since it's possible to vote for more than one outcome, the whole % thing is very hard to sort through. But, I'd bet that a higher percentage of people than it appears have voted for one or both of them to leave.
Ahh - my bad. I didn't notice that you could vote for more than one option. That does change the percentages.
My goodness, if I were to leave then how would anyone know the Jerry Logan sure-thing NFL lock each week?? I don't sell picks, I bet and share them.
Jerry = Money
MKL = ummm....ummm....I give up!
When mkl first started posting on the board I probably would have agreed that he should leave. The tone of his posts seemed as full of anger and scorn as anything that had been previously posted by Jerry (If better written and with arguments seemingly more thought out).
My opinion has slowly changed because as posters seemed to become accustomed to mkl's attitude and vice-versa, his posts trended toward improving and evolving discussions instead of derailing or ruining them.
My opinion of Jerry however is that he has not added a single post of quality since he signed up on the board and that the board was at it's best during the period that Jerry was unable to post while away on work.
Looks more like a campaign to be elected 7th grade class president.
Quote: Thoughtcast
My opinion of Jerry however is that he has not added a single post of quality.
I'm glad you said its your opinion, because I've learned a lot from some of Jerry's posts. And Jerry doesn't correct every spelling and punctuation error like MKL does. When somebody does that what they're really saying is 'Woo Hoo, look how smart I am!' Who asked you, I didn't know we were being graded.
I'd refuse to vote anyways, as I wasn't aware we were playing Betting Forum Idol around here anyways.
Quote: AussieA 190 (lol) IQ and this is the rubbish you come up with? .
Truly smart people never reveal their IQ's on a public forum, it gives their detractors too much ammo.
Quote: EvenBobTruly smart people never reveal their IQ's on a public forum, it gives their detractors too much ammo.
That's because Smart and IQ are two different things... and Smart can take on many different facets too...
It's definitely more work for the Wizard for both of them to be around, though.
Woo hoo!Quote: WizardBased on mutual personal insults in the second stone cold lock thread, I suspended both of them for five days. See this post for more information. Enjoy the peace while it lasts.
And I guess that explains why their names show up in brown.
Quote: EvenBobTruly smart people never reveal their IQ's on a public forum, it gives their detractors too much ammo.
I can't help but wonder what that says about Mensans ;)
My prediction: within 2 days both MKL and JL will create alternate aliases using gmail accounts and be right back here doing their thing again.
WIZ, get ready for IP blocking and proxy servers ...
--Ms. D
Can we all at least agree that the Wizard's time shouldn't have to be wasted monitoring
posts for violations and then suspending members, now that we all know the rules ?
So maybe a 3 strikes and you're out rule would be in order ?
Just to remind everyone of exactly how stupid this thread is, and not lose sight of that fact when the temporary bans expire.
And the fact that its SO much nicer here without them taking over every thread.Quote: ItsCalledSoccerBump.
Just to remind everyone of exactly how stupid this thread is, and not lose sight of that fact when the temporary bans expire.
It's been like a breath of fresh air.
How long do we have until someone farts?
Quote: DJTeddyBearHow long do we have until someone farts?
About three more days, no?
Quote: AussieI agree. Much better without know alls derailing discussions.
QFT!
I am actually enjoying reading the threads here again... yes, I hope they are gone for good ...Quote: AussieI agree. Much better without know alls derailing discussions.
Hear that Mr. W? I said, "I hope they are gone for good."
BTW, I hope some of you caught the "Wizard of Oz" on TBS last week ... I was featured ... it's so amazing someone made a movie about a dream I had ...
Last night I had a dream that the earth was being taken over by aliens, but they were incompetent aliens. They tried to poison us, but their poison wasn't very good, so people just got a little sick then got better. Then they tried to spread a disease, but it wasn't communicable by humans, so they had to get people to take pills to give themselves the disease. Then they tried to use guns to kill us, but the guns jammed, and people just got out of the way anyway, so no one was hurt ...
Incompetent aliens ... wow ... there must be a movie there somewhere ... at any rate, I'd like to star in it please ...
--Dorothy Gale of Kansas