Do You Believe in Luck
Quote: EvenBobDo you believe luck is a force in the universe, or is it just a word we use to describe events that go or don't go our way. Not a bad question, you'd be surprised at the number of people who've never contemplated this before.
There is no such thing as "luck", in the way most people use the term: some sort of guiding/malicious/fickle force that changes the course of otherwise random events.
But, thankfully not the foulest: - work.
Quote: EvenBobDo you believe luck is a force in the universe, or is it just a word we use to describe events that go or don't go our way. Not a bad question, you'd be surprised at the number of people who've never contemplated this before.
There is the purely factual observation that the distribution of random events can be expected to be skewed. Thus on a given night, you might do well at a game where there is a House Edge. Etc. Etc.
Since life often means doing well at critical moments, you can have bad or good luck at those critical moments. There is the U.S. Grant phenomenon, for example, a failure in life who will be able to shine in the right circumstance [leading troops, but must be given second chances at that too] and along comes a long war.
Currently, there is a certain debate about good and bad years to be born. Now that is luck. See links.
http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/2008/11/18/colbert-malcolm-gladwell-reveals-the-secret-to-becoming-rich/
http://www.patricktaylor.com/1351
Unfortunately, it exists in two forms: Good and bad. It is always balanced, and you never know which side of the balance sheet you're standing on...
Quote: dwheatleyLuck only exists in hindsight.
Agreed, or in your imagination as hope.
It helps to understand that it can be seen as a secondary value, as an artifact of the human mind. It is used to make sense of a world that can often defy understanding. It refers not to events, but to our relationship with events.
I think it was Pittsburgh Phil who said that you should double your bets when winning and halve them when losing.
What happened to the first $55? Or does 3 of a kind pay 29 to 1 at your casino?Quote: rudeboyoii guess the luckiest thing that ever happened to me in a casino was when i was heading to the cage to cash $55 in chips but the line was too long and i didnt feel like waiting around. there was a 3card poker table near the cage and i never play the game but decided to plop $55 down on pairplus and i get dealt 999. with the $1650 i had now, it was definitely worth waiting in that line.
Personally, I may be a reluctant Determinist. It seems that the philosophical arguments for determinism are beginning to be backed up by science, especially in the fields of neurology, but I think it is best for me to act as if free will was real (I may be determined to think this, however). I feel the same way about Karma...I don't really think it exists but I find it best to act as if it does.
So I guess in conclusion, I may or may not believe in luck?
Quote: progrockerSo I guess in conclusion, I may or may not believe in luck?
So, do you believe in luck only when the cat's dead, or when it is alive?
My point is that it doesn't matter whether or not luck exists because the way I act is not predicated upon its (non)existence.
Unless you consider that he was put in the box in the first place. That's bad luck.
Quote: dwheatleySchrodinger's cat in a box. The quantumly dead cat. I guess the poor cat has both good and bad luck at the same time. *snicker*
Unless you consider that he was put in the box in the first place. That's bad luck.
Ah! Progress! We can determine luck is not a quantum state!
Unless the cat wanted to be in the box, of course.
Quote: NareedAh! Progress! We can determine luck is not a quantum state!
This Deep Space Nine episode disagrees with that statement: http://www.startrek.com/database_article/rivals
It's all about the solar neutrinos, apparently.
Quote: progrockerThis Deep Space Nine episode disagrees with that statement: http://www.startrek.com/database_article/rivals
It's all about the solar neutrinos, apparently.
It's hard to take technobabble seriously.
Remember when Voyager found an element with an extremely high atomic number? it was produced by decaying alien corpses of all things.
because sometimes luck failed and hardworking deserves.....
thank,
A lot of science is said to be luck. They found "X" and it was lucky. I can't see this. Sure, they did everything wrong and got the right answer, but that's not luck. They got the right answer because everything was in proper order to come to the correct answer.
Is Reality Real? Our eyes can only see so much and we require tools to see farther and as far as I know, luck like karma has never been discovered in a physical, measurable state.
This means that the more you gamble the farther and farther you expect your results to deviate from EV, in real dollars not percentages. At the end of their lifetime some gamblers will be millions of dollars ahead of their lifetime EV, I dont know what else to call them but lucky.
Quote: TortoiseYes, definitely. I think this is where a lot of gambling authors and conventional wisdom drops the ball. The standard line is that luck evens in the long run and ultimately converges to your EV, but this simply isnt true. Your actual results diverge from expectation the more you play, they just diverge at a slower rate and the ratio of actual results to EV converges to one.
This means that the more you gamble the farther and farther you expect your results to deviate from EV, in real dollars not percentages. At the end of their lifetime some gamblers will be millions of dollars ahead of their lifetime EV, I dont know what else to call them but lucky.
Statistical outliers.
Quote: AcesAndEightsQuote: TortoiseI dont know what else to call them but lucky.
Statistical outliers.
Tomato, tomato.
Quote: DieterQuote: AcesAndEightsQuote: TortoiseI dont know what else to call them but lucky.
Statistical outliers.
Tomato, tomato.
Potato, potato.
Now, luck may come into play if you drove down a section of road at 100mph and I did the same. A police officer sitting on the side of the road would choose who to attempt to pull over himself. If he went after you then I was lucky and you were not.
Quote: Baccaratfrom79you can win. Does not matter the amount, small or large. Does not matter the game. You can label it anything you really desire but it is not luck.
Good luck with that.
In math terms, that means that the variance of a sum of events increases, while the variance of the average decreases. And what you look at in your wallet is the SUM of your earnings/losses.Quote: TortoiseThe standard line is that luck evens in the long run and ultimately converges to your EV, but this simply isnt true. Your actual results diverge from expectation the more you play, they just diverge at a slower rate and the ratio of actual results to EV converges to one. This means that the more you gamble the farther and farther you expect your results to deviate from EV, in real dollars not percentages.
In my eye, luck implies some sort of unfrequentness. Which is not the case here: deviations from the mean are frequent and expected.Quote: TortoiseAt the end of their lifetime some gamblers will be millions of dollars ahead of their lifetime EV, I dont know what else to call them but lucky.
On the other hand, if by "luck" you simply mean a happy event happening, then OK. As in "Oh! the sun shines on our weddingday, we have luck." Or "It was a fifty-fifty chance affair. I have had luck."
Quote: davidebertYes. I believe in luck, and i can sum them up Success = Effort + Luck. If you have the luck but you fail to do your homework, then there is no success in you story.
I absolutely agree with Davidebert. From my own experience I can add that some people are just born lucky. Unfortunately, I'm not. And it concerns not only gambling. Things don't come easy to me, I always have to work hard to achieve something, but I know some people who get everything they want easily and almost without putting in any effort.
The luck is driven by forces we still don't know or/and don't understand.
Quote: Thervid
The luck is driven by forces we still don't know or/and don't understand.
There is no luck, it's not driven by anything.
My brother lost his wallet at a gas station
yesterday. Today, when he was talked down
from the ledge he was going to jump from,
he went back there and somebody had
turned it in. He's a truck driver and it had
his CDL and he would have been out of work
till he got it replaced. Everything was in
the wallet, nothing gone.
Good luck? Nope, just coincidence, like everything
in life.
Why can't you just say luck=good coincidence, so therefore luck exists? I understand luck is a description, not a determination, but just a word.Quote: EvenBobThere is no luck, it's not driven by anything.
My brother lost his wallet at a gas station
yesterday. Today, when he was talked down
from the ledge he was going to jump from,
he went back there and somebody had
turned it in. He's a truck driver and it had
his CDL and he would have been out of work
till he got it replaced. Everything was in
the wallet, nothing gone.
Good luck? Nope, just coincidence, like everything
in life.
Luck didn't take a touchdown away from Pittsburgh and didn't make Big Ben throw an interception, but the Patriots seemed lucky to beat Pittsburgh.
Do I not understand the debate? Or is there not a debate and is there just a disagreement about what the word means?
Quote: EvenBobThere is no luck, it's not driven by anything.
My brother lost his wallet at a gas station
yesterday. Today, when he was talked down
from the ledge he was going to jump from,
he went back there and somebody had
turned it in. He's a truck driver and it had
his CDL and he would have been out of work
till he got it replaced. Everything was in
the wallet, nothing gone.
Good luck? Nope, just coincidence, like everything
in life.
We agree.
Thats stressful. If luck truly meant anything, and it doesnt, seems like hed have been more, Lucky, to just have a typical day in which he didnt lose his wallet at all.
Case closed.
Case closed.
Quote: KatrinaEspinalSurely, yes. Luck is the one that must be applied almost for every event. First of all, you need to find out, if you want to win or just to take part. If the second variant, you will have no need for luck. Even to find more info about any point of view is not OK without the luck. If the first, you can just ask this part to be on the edge of the event further.
I believe that luck could be just a social construct, but you never know it might actually exist!
