Thread Rating:

EvenBob
EvenBob
  • Threads: 442
  • Posts: 29379
Joined: Jul 18, 2010
Thanked by
onenickelmiracle
September 2nd, 2010 at 11:35:28 PM permalink
Do you believe luck is a force in the universe, or is it just a word we use to describe events that go or don't go our way. Not a bad question, you'd be surprised at the number of people who've never contemplated this before.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
mkl654321
mkl654321
  • Threads: 65
  • Posts: 3412
Joined: Aug 8, 2010
Thanked by
NSKelis
September 2nd, 2010 at 11:38:06 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Do you believe luck is a force in the universe, or is it just a word we use to describe events that go or don't go our way. Not a bad question, you'd be surprised at the number of people who've never contemplated this before.



There is no such thing as "luck", in the way most people use the term: some sort of guiding/malicious/fickle force that changes the course of otherwise random events.
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw
chook
chook
  • Threads: 5
  • Posts: 113
Joined: Jul 5, 2010
September 2nd, 2010 at 11:49:17 PM permalink
It's just another four letter word.
But, thankfully not the foulest: - work.
You can't trust a dog to mind your food.
odiousgambit
odiousgambit
  • Threads: 327
  • Posts: 9707
Joined: Nov 9, 2009
September 3rd, 2010 at 5:04:19 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Do you believe luck is a force in the universe, or is it just a word we use to describe events that go or don't go our way. Not a bad question, you'd be surprised at the number of people who've never contemplated this before.



There is the purely factual observation that the distribution of random events can be expected to be skewed. Thus on a given night, you might do well at a game where there is a House Edge. Etc. Etc.

Since life often means doing well at critical moments, you can have bad or good luck at those critical moments. There is the U.S. Grant phenomenon, for example, a failure in life who will be able to shine in the right circumstance [leading troops, but must be given second chances at that too] and along comes a long war.

Currently, there is a certain debate about good and bad years to be born. Now that is luck. See links.



http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/2008/11/18/colbert-malcolm-gladwell-reveals-the-secret-to-becoming-rich/

http://www.patricktaylor.com/1351
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!”   She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
DJTeddyBear
DJTeddyBear
  • Threads: 209
  • Posts: 11050
Joined: Nov 2, 2009
September 3rd, 2010 at 5:09:48 AM permalink
Luck absolutely DOES exist.

Unfortunately, it exists in two forms: Good and bad. It is always balanced, and you never know which side of the balance sheet you're standing on...
I invented a few casino games. Info: http://www.DaveMillerGaming.com/ ————————————————————————————————————— Superstitions are silly, childish, irrational rituals, born out of fear of the unknown. But how much does it cost to knock on wood? 😁
dwheatley
dwheatley
  • Threads: 25
  • Posts: 1246
Joined: Nov 16, 2009
September 3rd, 2010 at 6:38:28 AM permalink
Luck only exists in hindsight.
Wisdom is the quality that keeps you out of situations where you would otherwise need it
Mosca
Mosca
  • Threads: 191
  • Posts: 4141
Joined: Dec 14, 2009
September 3rd, 2010 at 6:43:59 AM permalink
Quote: dwheatley

Luck only exists in hindsight.



Agreed, or in your imagination as hope.

It helps to understand that it can be seen as a secondary value, as an artifact of the human mind. It is used to make sense of a world that can often defy understanding. It refers not to events, but to our relationship with events.
A falling knife has no handle.
Nareed
Nareed
  • Threads: 373
  • Posts: 11413
Joined: Nov 11, 2009
September 3rd, 2010 at 6:49:42 AM permalink
Nareed's 12th Law: There's no such thing as luck.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
dm
dm
  • Threads: 14
  • Posts: 699
Joined: Apr 29, 2010
September 3rd, 2010 at 8:49:32 AM permalink
Jim's 13th Law: There is such a thing as luck.
chook
chook
  • Threads: 5
  • Posts: 113
Joined: Jul 5, 2010
September 3rd, 2010 at 1:57:53 PM permalink
I don't know if it's just my imagination but I seems to run in cycles.
I think it was Pittsburgh Phil who said that you should double your bets when winning and halve them when losing.
You can't trust a dog to mind your food.
rudeboyoi
rudeboyoi
  • Threads: 27
  • Posts: 2001
Joined: Mar 28, 2010
September 3rd, 2010 at 2:25:33 PM permalink
i guess the luckiest thing that ever happened to me in a casino was when i was heading to the cage to cash $55 in chips but the line was too long and i didnt feel like waiting around. there was a 3card poker table near the cage and i never play the game but decided to plop $55 down on pairplus and i get dealt 999. with the $1650 i had now, it was definitely worth waiting in that line.
Doc
Doc
  • Threads: 46
  • Posts: 7287
Joined: Feb 27, 2010
September 3rd, 2010 at 2:31:50 PM permalink
Quote: rudeboyoi

i guess the luckiest thing that ever happened to me in a casino was when i was heading to the cage to cash $55 in chips but the line was too long and i didnt feel like waiting around. there was a 3card poker table near the cage and i never play the game but decided to plop $55 down on pairplus and i get dealt 999. with the $1650 i had now, it was definitely worth waiting in that line.

What happened to the first $55? Or does 3 of a kind pay 29 to 1 at your casino?
progrocker
progrocker
  • Threads: 4
  • Posts: 303
Joined: Feb 21, 2010
September 3rd, 2010 at 2:43:22 PM permalink
It seems that if one talks of a person being lucky or unlucky, either for just a short period of time or inherently throughout that person's life, then what we are really talking about is the concept of fate. Then, if we take all the romantic, literary, religious and etc. connotations away from the concept of fate what we are really talking about is the philosophical concept of Determinism. Determinism is still a hot topic amongst philosophers in Academia, so it is definitely not a close book issue. It seems that if one believes in Determinism then they would also believe in luck, as a person could be determined to have either a great or terrible life and one would be lucky to have the former and unlucky to have the latter. Then it follows that one who believe in Compatibilism may or may not also believe in luck, and that one who believes in free will should not also believe in luck.

Personally, I may be a reluctant Determinist. It seems that the philosophical arguments for determinism are beginning to be backed up by science, especially in the fields of neurology, but I think it is best for me to act as if free will was real (I may be determined to think this, however). I feel the same way about Karma...I don't really think it exists but I find it best to act as if it does.

So I guess in conclusion, I may or may not believe in luck?
Solo venimos, solo nos vamos. Y aqui nos juntamos, juntos que estamos.
Nareed
Nareed
  • Threads: 373
  • Posts: 11413
Joined: Nov 11, 2009
September 3rd, 2010 at 3:12:31 PM permalink
Quote: progrocker

So I guess in conclusion, I may or may not believe in luck?



So, do you believe in luck only when the cat's dead, or when it is alive?
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
progrocker
progrocker
  • Threads: 4
  • Posts: 303
Joined: Feb 21, 2010
September 3rd, 2010 at 3:19:22 PM permalink
I believe that we would all be lucky if all cats were dead, although I admit I do not understand your reference.

My point is that it doesn't matter whether or not luck exists because the way I act is not predicated upon its (non)existence.
Solo venimos, solo nos vamos. Y aqui nos juntamos, juntos que estamos.
dwheatley
dwheatley
  • Threads: 25
  • Posts: 1246
Joined: Nov 16, 2009
September 3rd, 2010 at 3:58:59 PM permalink
Schrodinger's cat in a box. The quantumly dead cat. I guess the poor cat has both good and bad luck at the same time. *snicker*

Unless you consider that he was put in the box in the first place. That's bad luck.
Wisdom is the quality that keeps you out of situations where you would otherwise need it
Nareed
Nareed
  • Threads: 373
  • Posts: 11413
Joined: Nov 11, 2009
September 3rd, 2010 at 4:04:52 PM permalink
Quote: dwheatley

Schrodinger's cat in a box. The quantumly dead cat. I guess the poor cat has both good and bad luck at the same time. *snicker*

Unless you consider that he was put in the box in the first place. That's bad luck.



Ah! Progress! We can determine luck is not a quantum state!

Unless the cat wanted to be in the box, of course.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
progrocker
progrocker
  • Threads: 4
  • Posts: 303
Joined: Feb 21, 2010
September 3rd, 2010 at 4:11:39 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

Ah! Progress! We can determine luck is not a quantum state!



This Deep Space Nine episode disagrees with that statement: http://www.startrek.com/database_article/rivals
It's all about the solar neutrinos, apparently.
Solo venimos, solo nos vamos. Y aqui nos juntamos, juntos que estamos.
Nareed
Nareed
  • Threads: 373
  • Posts: 11413
Joined: Nov 11, 2009
September 3rd, 2010 at 4:18:59 PM permalink
Quote: progrocker

This Deep Space Nine episode disagrees with that statement: http://www.startrek.com/database_article/rivals
It's all about the solar neutrinos, apparently.



It's hard to take technobabble seriously.

Remember when Voyager found an element with an extremely high atomic number? it was produced by decaying alien corpses of all things.
Donald Trump is a fucking criminal
andre1234
andre1234
  • Threads: 0
  • Posts: 1
Joined: Dec 21, 2012
December 21st, 2012 at 2:43:27 AM permalink
i believe in luck but some times........
because sometimes luck failed and hardworking deserves.....
thank,
www.casinosalary.com for Online Free Gambling and www.casinosalary.info for All Kind of Online casinos Information.
wroberson
wroberson
  • Threads: 19
  • Posts: 426
Joined: May 11, 2011
July 22nd, 2013 at 9:33:00 AM permalink
Sorry. No luck. It wasn't luck that kept me out of jail in the 80's and it wasn't luck that caused a 40k windfall after a false arrest in 2003.

A lot of science is said to be luck. They found "X" and it was lucky. I can't see this. Sure, they did everything wrong and got the right answer, but that's not luck. They got the right answer because everything was in proper order to come to the correct answer.

Is Reality Real? Our eyes can only see so much and we require tools to see farther and as far as I know, luck like karma has never been discovered in a physical, measurable state.
Buffering...
davidebert
davidebert
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 2
Joined: Dec 4, 2014
December 4th, 2014 at 2:21:39 AM permalink
Yes. I believe in luck, and i can sum them up Success = Effort + Luck. If you have the luck but you fail to do your homework, then there is no success in you story.
Tortoise
Tortoise
  • Threads: 4
  • Posts: 39
Joined: Mar 7, 2012
January 8th, 2015 at 12:48:17 PM permalink
Yes, definitely. I think this is where a lot of gambling authors and conventional wisdom drops the ball. The standard line is that luck evens in the long run and ultimately converges to your EV, but this simply isn’t true. Your actual results diverge from expectation the more you play, they just diverge at a slower rate and the ratio of actual results to EV converges to one.

This means that the more you gamble the farther and farther you expect your results to deviate from EV, in real dollars not percentages. At the end of their lifetime some gamblers will be millions of dollars ahead of their lifetime EV, I don’t know what else to call them but lucky.
AcesAndEights
AcesAndEights
  • Threads: 67
  • Posts: 4300
Joined: Jan 5, 2012
January 8th, 2015 at 1:52:57 PM permalink
Quote: Tortoise

Yes, definitely. I think this is where a lot of gambling authors and conventional wisdom drops the ball. The standard line is that luck evens in the long run and ultimately converges to your EV, but this simply isn’t true. Your actual results diverge from expectation the more you play, they just diverge at a slower rate and the ratio of actual results to EV converges to one.

This means that the more you gamble the farther and farther you expect your results to deviate from EV, in real dollars not percentages. At the end of their lifetime some gamblers will be millions of dollars ahead of their lifetime EV, I don’t know what else to call them but lucky.


Statistical outliers.
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
Dieter
Administrator
Dieter
  • Threads: 16
  • Posts: 5890
Joined: Jul 23, 2014
January 8th, 2015 at 2:03:48 PM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

Quote: Tortoise

I don’t know what else to call them but lucky.


Statistical outliers.



Tomato, tomato.
May the cards fall in your favor.
AcesAndEights
AcesAndEights
  • Threads: 67
  • Posts: 4300
Joined: Jan 5, 2012
January 8th, 2015 at 3:22:45 PM permalink
Quote: Dieter

Quote: AcesAndEights

Quote: Tortoise

I don’t know what else to call them but lucky.


Statistical outliers.



Tomato, tomato.


Potato, potato.
"So drink gamble eat f***, because one day you will be dust." -ontariodealer
Baccaratfrom79
Baccaratfrom79
  • Threads: 58
  • Posts: 741
Joined: Jan 12, 2015
January 20th, 2015 at 6:26:53 AM permalink
It is really not 'luck' in winning at the casino. At least at the table games. It is taking advantage of a situation that presents itself to you. If you have the knowledge, a bankroll to survive, the guts and the willpower you can win. Does not matter the amount, small or large. Does not matter the game. You can label it anything you really desire but it is not luck. The situation at any given table at any given game will be the same no matter if it's me or you or a dead monkey with stings attached to his paws. If we all made the same decisions, the results would not change.

Now, luck may come into play if you drove down a section of road at 100mph and I did the same. A police officer sitting on the side of the road would choose who to attempt to pull over himself. If he went after you then I was lucky and you were not.
Bac79=Hazardous Material and Chemical person correcting other's mistakes. Non AP'er, I can't count cards, low intelligence. Sprinkles magical dust on the cards. Has a lucky monkey. Baby also has a green one. Sum it up: "It's okay just blame me, it's all my fault"! ( No one believes me--so I chose to stop posting)
Dieter
Administrator
Dieter
  • Threads: 16
  • Posts: 5890
Joined: Jul 23, 2014
January 20th, 2015 at 8:06:37 AM permalink
Quote: Baccaratfrom79

you can win. Does not matter the amount, small or large. Does not matter the game. You can label it anything you really desire but it is not luck.



Good luck with that.
May the cards fall in your favor.
kubikulann
kubikulann
  • Threads: 27
  • Posts: 905
Joined: Jun 28, 2011
February 7th, 2015 at 7:36:19 PM permalink
Quote: Tortoise

The standard line is that luck evens in the long run and ultimately converges to your EV, but this simply isn’t true. Your actual results diverge from expectation the more you play, they just diverge at a slower rate and the ratio of actual results to EV converges to one. This means that the more you gamble the farther and farther you expect your results to deviate from EV, in real dollars not percentages.

In math terms, that means that the variance of a sum of events increases, while the variance of the average decreases. And what you look at in your wallet is the SUM of your earnings/losses.

Quote: Tortoise

At the end of their lifetime some gamblers will be millions of dollars ahead of their lifetime EV, I don’t know what else to call them but lucky.

In my eye, luck implies some sort of unfrequentness. Which is not the case here: deviations from the mean are frequent and expected.

On the other hand, if by "luck" you simply mean a happy event happening, then OK. As in "Oh! the sun shines on our weddingday, we have luck." Or "It was a fifty-fifty chance affair. I have had luck."
Reperiet qui quaesiverit
Entirele
Entirele
  • Threads: 0
  • Posts: 41
Joined: Oct 28, 2015
November 5th, 2015 at 3:34:00 AM permalink
"I am a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it." Thomas Jefferson)
“Well-behaved women seldom make history.” ― Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
amoser
amoser
  • Threads: 4
  • Posts: 16
Joined: Feb 7, 2017
Thanked by
TropicalElectri
February 20th, 2017 at 4:19:46 AM permalink
Quote: davidebert

Yes. I believe in luck, and i can sum them up Success = Effort + Luck. If you have the luck but you fail to do your homework, then there is no success in you story.


I absolutely agree with Davidebert. From my own experience I can add that some people are just born lucky. Unfortunately, I'm not. And it concerns not only gambling. Things don't come easy to me, I always have to work hard to achieve something, but I know some people who get everything they want easily and almost without putting in any effort.
onenickelmiracle
onenickelmiracle
  • Threads: 212
  • Posts: 8277
Joined: Jan 26, 2012
February 20th, 2017 at 10:44:15 PM permalink
Luck is a word, but a good word. Technically there may not be such a thing as randomness either. That's just theoretical, involves leaving the universe to be able to understand the entire universe you left, as it can't be done from within. I sound like a nut, the possibilities are endless or impossible. Love this stuff, hologram universe, simulation universe, etc., etc. If this is not reality, where is reality, etc. Elan Musk talks like me all the time. I find it funny.
I am a robot.
BarbFrie
BarbFrie
  • Threads: 0
  • Posts: 10
Joined: May 4, 2017
May 12th, 2017 at 4:23:22 PM permalink
I believe in luck and so with unlucky.
Thervid
Thervid
  • Threads: 0
  • Posts: 13
Joined: Feb 26, 2017
May 15th, 2017 at 12:26:32 AM permalink
I believe in luck, but in a little different meaning of it.
The luck is driven by forces we still don't know or/and don't understand.
AnGurman12
AnGurman12
  • Threads: 0
  • Posts: 9
Joined: May 4, 2017
May 17th, 2017 at 11:22:36 PM permalink
i dont believe in luck that's my grandma says its evil.
OpenJo
OpenJo
  • Threads: 0
  • Posts: 3
Joined: Dec 11, 2017
December 11th, 2017 at 6:27:01 AM permalink
Unfortunately I do not believe
EvenBob
EvenBob
  • Threads: 442
  • Posts: 29379
Joined: Jul 18, 2010
December 19th, 2017 at 10:07:55 PM permalink
Quote: Thervid


The luck is driven by forces we still don't know or/and don't understand.



There is no luck, it's not driven by anything.
My brother lost his wallet at a gas station
yesterday. Today, when he was talked down
from the ledge he was going to jump from,
he went back there and somebody had
turned it in. He's a truck driver and it had
his CDL and he would have been out of work
till he got it replaced. Everything was in
the wallet, nothing gone.

Good luck? Nope, just coincidence, like everything
in life.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
onenickelmiracle
onenickelmiracle
  • Threads: 212
  • Posts: 8277
Joined: Jan 26, 2012
December 20th, 2017 at 2:02:28 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

There is no luck, it's not driven by anything.
My brother lost his wallet at a gas station
yesterday. Today, when he was talked down
from the ledge he was going to jump from,
he went back there and somebody had
turned it in. He's a truck driver and it had
his CDL and he would have been out of work
till he got it replaced. Everything was in
the wallet, nothing gone.

Good luck? Nope, just coincidence, like everything
in life.

Why can't you just say luck=good coincidence, so therefore luck exists? I understand luck is a description, not a determination, but just a word.

Luck didn't take a touchdown away from Pittsburgh and didn't make Big Ben throw an interception, but the Patriots seemed lucky to beat Pittsburgh.

Do I not understand the debate? Or is there not a debate and is there just a disagreement about what the word means?
I am a robot.
Mission146
Mission146
  • Threads: 142
  • Posts: 16832
Joined: May 15, 2012
December 20th, 2017 at 8:06:39 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

There is no luck, it's not driven by anything.
My brother lost his wallet at a gas station
yesterday. Today, when he was talked down
from the ledge he was going to jump from,
he went back there and somebody had
turned it in. He's a truck driver and it had
his CDL and he would have been out of work
till he got it replaced. Everything was in
the wallet, nothing gone.

Good luck? Nope, just coincidence, like everything
in life.



We agree.

That’s stressful. If luck truly meant anything, and it doesn’t, seems like he’d have been more, ‘Lucky,’ to just have a typical day in which he didn’t lose his wallet at all.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
pauldeaver
pauldeaver
  • Threads: 0
  • Posts: 1
Joined: Jul 6, 2018
July 9th, 2018 at 12:44:28 AM permalink
Thus the idiomatic expression born under a lucky star.
KatrinaEspinal
KatrinaEspinal
  • Threads: 0
  • Posts: 4
Joined: Mar 21, 2019
March 21st, 2019 at 6:02:45 PM permalink
Surely, yes. Luck is the one that must be applied almost for every event. First of all, you need to find out, if you want to win or just to take part. If the second variant, you will have no need for luck. Even to find more info about any point of view is not OK without the luck. If the first, you can just ask this part to be on the edge of the event further.
KatrinaEspinal
KatrinaEspinal
  • Threads: 0
  • Posts: 4
Joined: Mar 21, 2019
March 21st, 2019 at 6:03:53 PM permalink
Thanks.
Lovecomps
Lovecomps
  • Threads: 79
  • Posts: 427
Joined: Aug 12, 2018
March 22nd, 2019 at 9:27:10 AM permalink
Anyone who doesn't believe in luck has never been in combat where something just misses you but for an inch or two.

Case closed.
The best things in life are not free.
Lovecomps
Lovecomps
  • Threads: 79
  • Posts: 427
Joined: Aug 12, 2018
March 22nd, 2019 at 9:37:41 AM permalink
Anyone who doesn't believe in luck has never been in combat where something just misses you but for an inch or two.

Case closed.
The best things in life are not free.
Nordamad
Nordamad
  • Threads: 0
  • Posts: 3
Joined: May 29, 2019
May 29th, 2019 at 1:11:39 AM permalink
You are right about it. But not just luck, also intellect, logic, hard work.
logandwilliams
logandwilliams
  • Threads: 0
  • Posts: 15
Joined: Jun 21, 2019
June 25th, 2019 at 1:05:25 AM permalink
Good form of luck and bad form clearly exist
jason123
jason123
  • Threads: 1
  • Posts: 5
Joined: Aug 14, 2019
August 14th, 2019 at 5:45:00 AM permalink
Quote: KatrinaEspinal

Surely, yes. Luck is the one that must be applied almost for every event. First of all, you need to find out, if you want to win or just to take part. If the second variant, you will have no need for luck. Even to find more info about any point of view is not OK without the luck. If the first, you can just ask this part to be on the edge of the event further.



I believe that luck could be just a social construct, but you never know it might actually exist!
“Losing feels worse than winning feels good.” - Vin Scully
Kenneth
Kenneth
  • Threads: 0
  • Posts: 7
Joined: Dec 20, 2019
December 20th, 2019 at 5:42:37 AM permalink
No, I believe only in calculation, this is what can guarantee success.
Xanderex
Xanderex
  • Threads: 0
  • Posts: 5
Joined: Apr 23, 2020
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:16:27 AM permalink
Actually, the chinese say that luck doesn't exist, is just training that works. So you may be right
frenk5
frenk5
  • Threads: 0
  • Posts: 2
Joined: Nov 9, 2020
November 9th, 2020 at 11:07:32 AM permalink
I believe in luck
  • Jump to: