Has this forum become too negative?

Having looked through a number of threads and posts on this site, I have noticed an increasing trend towards negative comments on a number of topics.

Is this a reflection on the current attitude towards Vegas itself, and an expression of the frustration felt by many members at lousy rules and harrah's expasion amongst other things?

Is this a reflection on the members themselves? Are we becoming more hostile towards each other?

Or are we sharing a simultanious collective bad mood?

Or maybe I'm reading too deep into things and am personally over sensitive to subtexts that are figments of my imagination. Or maybe I'm just reading the wrong threads.

What do you think?

Quote: Croupier

Having looked through a number of threads and posts on this site, I have noticed an increasing trend towards negative comments on a number of topics.

Is this a reflection on the current attitude towards Vegas itself, and an expression of the frustration felt by many members at lousy rules and harrah's expasion amongst other things?

Is this a reflection on the members themselves? Are we becoming more hostile towards each other?

Or are we sharing a simultanious collective bad mood?

Or maybe I'm reading too deep into things and am personally over sensitive to subtexts that are figments of my imagination.

What do you think?

I haven't noticed the negativity myself. Maybe because this site attracts advantage players who know the odds are usually stacked against us we will always have a risk-management persona?

My theory: Confirmation Bias.

If you mean internet demeanor that is less than stellar at times, this site has seemed to me to have avoided most of the problems that potentially could beset it.

There's certainly a whole new language that has sprung up to describe what the worst sites experience: Troll, Astroturfer, Gadfly, Griefer, Heckler, Hit-and-run poster, Ostracizer, Sockpuppeter, to name a few.

I wasn't familiar with all these terms necessarily, see LINK

Quote: Croupier

Has this forum become too negative?

No.

Quote: Croupier

Having looked through a number of threads and posts on this site, I have noticed an increasing trend towards negative comments on a number of topics.

My word -- haven't you ever been on a forum that's fully ripened before? It always starts with idiots who say idiotic things and try and defend them even though they're idiots (a couple recent threads here are point on, no doubt the seeds for the rest of the process). Then come the trolls who say idiotic things just to annoy people who can't stand idiots. Then come the flames -- nice and toasty roasty -- usually flaming the trolls who the flamers mistake for the idiots -- that's when the fun starts. It's the legal threats that really get it going big time, they're mainly serious and from the idiots, though trolls toss them in for good fun. Throw in a couple of "Hitlers" and you've got yourself one fine forum.

--Dorothy

I've only seen a couple of "nastys" and I've been on the end (kicking or receiving) of a couple of them. It's because I don't understand where people actually think that they can beat the odds, or beat down pure math with anecdotes and systems. Both sevenshooter (who is probably a successful controlled shooter but isn't as successful as he thinks he is, but wants people to sign up for his courses) and tuttigym (who really doesn't understand what odds and probability mean, but is trying to market a book on how to beat craps anyway) are probably well meaning, but seemingly stubborn folk. I've got nothing against them -- I would love to hang out at the River Rock next time I'm in Richmond and see what seven's got, and I would like to see tutti have some success at his system.

However, I am equally stubborn in the opposite direction: the casino has you pretty much beat when you walk in the door. There are a few long-termed exceptions: good controlled shooting, undetected card-counting, a positive expectation VP machine, and some good sports betting. And there are a few short-term exceptions too like the patron who will let you buy a double or will let you buy don't pass odds, or the casino with a short-term giveaway or jackpot that makes things favorable for the player. You can't win at craps by using a betting system, period.

I don't think it's necessarily negative. The topic of "dice setting" is a very polarizing issue and was the most controversial thread on this forum. Also blackjack advantage players (as smart as they may be) have never been known for their great social skills. That (in addition to their bet spreads) is often what brings them unwanted attention lol. I know that's stereotyping, but I find that to be true. I'm glad the advantage players post here, though.

i did make an unnecesary flame thread toward S__________R. web forums are usually so bad and im glad this one isnt.i dont want this forum to turn into 4chan. sorry to those who clicked on the thread. i will not post such materials even if i think the person is an...

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My word -- haven't you ever been on a forum that's fully ripened before? It always starts with idiots who say idiotic things and try and defend them even though they're idiots (a couple recent threads here are point on, no doubt the seeds for the rest of the process). Then come the trolls who say idiotic things just to annoy people who can't stand idiots. Then come the flames -- nice and toasty roasty -- usually flaming the trolls who the flamers mistake for the idiots -- that's when the fun starts. It's the legal threats that really get it going big time, they're mainly serious and from the idiots, though trolls toss them in for good fun. Throw in a couple of "Hitlers" and you've got yourself one fine forum.

Holy crap! That's some funny / dead on observations there Dorothy!

But back to the original question: No. There's not too much negativity on the board. Oh, sure, there's PLENTY in a couple threads. But those threads / posters kinda deserved it.

Quote: DorothyGale

My word -- haven't you ever been on a forum that's fully ripened before? It always starts with idiots who say idiotic things and try and defend them even though they're idiots (a couple recent threads here are point on, no doubt the seeds for the rest of the process). Then come the trolls who say idiotic things just to annoy people who can't stand idiots. Then come the flames -- nice and toasty roasty -- usually flaming the trolls who the flamers mistake for the idiots -- that's when the fun starts. It's the legal threats that really get it going big time, they're mainly serious and from the idiots, though trolls toss them in for good fun. Throw in a couple of "Hitlers" and you've got yourself one fine forum.

--Dorothy

In other words, call it "diversity." :-)

Glad to know it was just me, as most of the regulars disagree. Although I'm still waiting for a thread here to reach a point where it conforms to Godwins Law

Quote: Croupier

Godwins Law

surely the "hoax that is the 1.41 % " thread will soon satisfy the conditions if it has not already

Quote: Croupier

Glad to know it was just me, as most of the regulars disagree. Although I'm still waiting for a thread here to reach a point where it conforms to Godwins Law

I just read the intro on that page.

You're a sick puppy.

Is that negative enough for ya? :)

On a plus side, you're my kind of sick. I'd love to hang in a casino with you sometime!

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Then I read more of that page.

Did you want to end this conversation, but lack the power to lock the thread?

... And then I read the entire Wikipedia page.

And noticed an interesting external link:
"I Seem to be a Verb"; Mike Godwin's commentary on the 18th anniversary of Godwin's Law

I just got done reading that commentary.

And now I have to thank you for mentioning it. Food for thought and all that.

Quote: Croupier

Glad to know it was just me, as most of the regulars disagree. Although I'm still waiting for a thread here to reach a point where it conforms to Godwins Law

"Godwin's Law" was why I referenced "Hitler" in my commentary above. Thanks for the link.

--Dorothy

Quote: DorothyGale

"Godwin's Law" was why I referenced "Hitler" in my commentary above. Thanks for the link.

--Dorothy

yeah, I guessed, so thought I'd enlighten people to my favourite law since the second law of thermodynamics.

Quote: DJTeddybear

You're a sick puppy.

Is that negative enough for ya? :)

On a plus side, you're my kind of sick. I'd love to hang in a casino with you sometime!

Nice to know Im appreciated. If youre in Vegas in june maybe it could be arranged.

Better to blow off some steam on a message board instead of doing something stupid outside of cyber space and paying for it one way or another.

In all fairness, this thread is kinda negative, too.