Where to get more than a hand job?
Quote: beachbumbabsYou're making my case for me; women were property, to be owned, to be used, to be put on the shelf when the man who "owned" them wasn't using them. Men invented marriage as legalized slavery; women were objects. Men didn't even try to be chaste or faithful; there were whorehouses everywhere in those times, and it was expected that men would use them. Women, including queens (who you'd think would have some power or autonomy), were and are still being put to death for adultery, proven or just suspected. Many men still don't want partners; they want "wives", and by the definition they're using (which is similar to the one implied in this thread, like June Cleaver), I'd like one myself. :)
I wanted a partner. Interestingly enough, when I was looking for her (I'm 59 now, she's 57, so that would be mostly the 1970s), all I found were women who wanted to be wives. We met (and married) in our mid 30s. I suppose we'd both become used to independence, so it worked out.
I grew up with four sisters who are strong women, and my mother was also very intelligent and opinionated. I got used to being equal to them. All of my sisters hold important positions in their fields. All of them married, but none of them chose to have children. I have the only child, a daughter. And she is very strong.
Regarding sex workers: I'm without opinion. Some of them control their own lives, but far, far more of them are out of control or exploited. In an ideal world there are logical answers, but it is not logical to think of answers for an ideal world.
Quote: MoscaI wanted a partner. Interestingly enough, when I was looking for her (I'm 59 now, she's 57, so that would be mostly the 1970s), all I found were women who wanted to be wives. We met (and married) in our mid 30s. I suppose we'd both become used to independence, so it worked out.
I grew up with four sisters who are strong women, and my mother was also very intelligent and opinionated. I got used to being equal to them. All of my sisters hold important positions in their fields. All of them married, but none of them chose to have children. I have the only child, a daughter. And she is very strong.
Regarding sex workers: I'm without opinion. Some of them control their own lives, but far, far more of them are out of control or exploited. In an ideal world there are logical answers, but it is not logical to think of answers for an ideal world.
Well said, Mosca; Mrs. Mosca is a very lucky woman.
Quote: petroglyphYou say this like there is something wrong with it?
Sorry Babs, I couldn't help myself, just some misogynist humor.
I'm good with it, petro. Certainly made me smile. No idea why women buy into the "wives" thing as opposed to being partners. Ask aceofspades how many of them go for it in their twenties, then wake up in their forties.
I would think a "wife" would be a disappointment to a man of substance, but I'm not a man, so I guess it depends on the person.
Quote: EvenBobCharlton Heston had it right when he said the key
to a happy marriage is just agree with whatever
your wife says, never make waves, and apologize
constantly. Yes dear, I was wrong. I'm so sorry,
of course you're right. You were right, please forgive
me. Etc.
There should be an additional statement in there where the guy does all that then does what he wants anyway :)
Quote: beachbumbabsI'm good with it, petro. Certainly made me smile. No idea why women buy into the "wives" thing as opposed to being partners. Ask aceofspades how many of them go for it in their twenties, then wake up in their forties.
I would think a "wife" would be a disappointment to a man of substance, but I'm not a man, so I guess it depends on the person.
To paraphrase Beyonce...I will never "put on a ring on it"
Which, as I type that, makes me think that Beyonce herself is describing women as property by saying "put a ring on IT"
Quote: aceofspadesThere should be an additional statement in there where the guy does all that then does what he wants anyway :)
Well, yeah. Goes without saying..
Quote: EvenBobWomen are governed by their
emotions, men aren't. It's really that simple.
Pshaw.
Balderdash.
What a bunch of hooey.
Quote: beachbumbabsWell said, Mosca; Mrs. Mosca is a very lucky woman.
We are both lucky. We've made it through some hairy shit together.
Alot of this "Men" and "Women" terminology can be confusing. There is always a range.Quote: beachbumbabsI'd like one myself. :)
Some women don't even have "relationships" since all they want is to "use men for sex". Some women have lots of sex, but only one or two dates per month. Women often adopt a "life is more than housework" attitude and expect a life of "bon bons" but while doing something more interesting than watching Soaps all day.
Many women DO have wives: the titles change: Execututive Assistant, Nanny, Au Pair, ... and often its clear that "additional duties" were contemplated right from the start.
Many men have wives with whom they are quite happy and wives who are happy with them. Its not always a battle.
Some wives are active in a joint business as well as in a marriage whereas some wives really believe in the "for better or worse, but not for lunch" lifestyle.
Some sweet young things take a man away from a wife and an impending pension...and then drop him. Some stay with him. It depends on many things. Alot of women who make choices based on finances don't regret them at all.
The world is full of examples of virtually every permutation and combination imaginable.
Quote: FleaStiffAlot of this "Men" and "Women" terminology can be confusing. There is always a range.
Some women don't even have "relationships" since all they want is to "use men for sex". Some women have lots of sex, but only one or two dates per month. Women often adopt a "life is more than housework" attitude and expect a life of "bon bons" but while doing something more interesting than watching Soaps all day.
Many women DO have wives: the titles change: Execututive Assistant, Nanny, Au Pair, ... and often its clear that "additional duties" were contemplated right from the start.
Many men have wives with whom they are quite happy and wives who are happy with them. Its not always a battle.
Some wives are active in a joint business as well as in a marriage whereas some wives really believe in the "for better or worse, but not for lunch" lifestyle.
Some sweet young things take a man away from a wife and an impending pension...and then drop him. Some stay with him. It depends on many things. Alot of women who make choices based on finances don't regret them at all.
The world is full of examples of virtually every permutation and combination imaginable.
All true, and more my general POV than what I said above in taking an argumentative stance.
case closed.
As to sexual stereotypes see today's NYTimes piece on Shotgun Virginity: When Pellegrini, a friend from Wellesley College who lives in Austin, Tex., mentioned that she’d be running one of her periodic Girl Hunter Adventure Getaways — a “Thelma and Louise”-ish weekend of fly-fishing, horseback riding, falconry, A.T.V. outings, pheasant hunts and s’mores, with a squadron of a dozen or so women in Big Sky country — Reibstein wanted in.
I think the popularity of women's Boxing Gyms and Boxing Bars as well as the overwhelming popularity of female gun classes illustrates the same phenomenon: females now have the financial and social ability to engage in a wide variety of activities thought to be "masculine" but which historically were probably not so exclusive. Of course one might add that perhaps they now have the necessity for it as well.
Many women find happiness in the Gay at Fifty movement. Many women retire at 50 with the man they married at 18.
I know one stripper who was with her husband all day and night ... seven days a week. She was a furniture stripper! They were in business together and truly shared each others lives. Locating pieces, stripping them, selling them... the business in front, their home in the rear. Truly a partnership.
Looks like $300 for a massage, but your $30,000 Rolex gets snatched if you want a little more...
Quote: ontariodealer99% of women put cocks in their mouths............99% of men don't put cocks in their mouths.
case closed.
I realize this part of thread is a few months old, but I am pretty sure neither of these numbers are correct.
Quote: ontariodealer99% of women put cocks in their mouths............99% of men don't put cocks in their mouths.
case closed.
The latter might be close to 99%...
Quote: BozAnd they say it's great to be married to a 1%er!
Now that there is funny, I don't care who you are. :D
Quote: BuzzardSam Kinison preachers son and divinity school dropout. Dead at 38 when drunk 17 year old kid in pick up truck crossed yellow line, head on collision, torn aorta, dead in minutes. Kid got 1 year probation.
Great scene with Rodney and Sam. A classic !
Just a few miles outside of Laughlin very sad indeed....
On a lighter note very funny thread i thought, I think Backpage or Craigslist still offer the better deals on sex rentals just saying. =)Not the first time ive heard that today....
Quote: ontariodealer99% of women put cocks in their mouths............99% of men don't put cocks in their mouths.
case closed.
True AP BJ...busting is a win. Would requesting a buffet voucher be over the line?
Quote:Where to get more than a hand job?
I just realized I've never seen a sign associated with a place of prostitution that had a disclaimer: "Sorry, hand jobs only".
In Bobs youth I'm sure just kissing was a big deal. In my generation high school girls had the attitude, if they stuck to handy's they weren't considered to slutty, it didn't take much convincing. Nowadays I hear it's BJ's(lucky bastards). I think girl on girl experimenting is considered cool now as well. Where do they go from there, first date Anal?Quote: rxwineI just realized I've never seen a sign associated with a place of prostitution that had a disclaimer: "Sorry, hand jobs only".
Quote: AxelWolfIn Bobs youth I'm sure just kissing was a big deal. In my generation high school girls had the attitude, if they stuck to handy's they weren't considered to slutty, it didn't take much convincing. Nowadays I hear it's BJ's(lucky bastards). I think girl on girl experimenting is considered cool now as well. Where do they go from there, first date Anal?
Actually, not necessarily on the first date, but I've heard some girls tend to think of anal as a way to bypass losing their "virginity" and also an easier way to deter pregnancy.
Quote: wudgedActually, not necessarily on the first date, but I've heard some girls tend to think of anal as a way to bypass losing their "virginity" and also an easier way to deter pregnancy.
I think that's about 20 years out of fashion at this point (at least, around here - anywhere they're holding purity balls, that idea might still be popular).
For a lot of people, virginity is no longer a big deal.
Ya, I hear a few basement dwellers around here still have it(no big deal for them).Quote: Dieter
For a lot of people, virginity is no longer a big deal.
You can usually spot them easily
their posts might look much like
this. Not sure why, probably to
broke to buy a computer that's
not from a second-hand store.
Betting systems can do that to a
guy.
Quote: AxelWolfYa, I hear a few basement dwellers around here still have it(no big deal for them).
You can usually spot them easily
their posts might look much like
this. Not sure why, probably to
broke to buy a computer that's
not from a second-hand store.
Betting systems can do that to a
guy.
On virginity: I am a virgin by the wiki definition (no sexual intercourse). Probably TMI :/
On basement dwelling: I tried hard to find a home with a basement. They are rare in the desert. I had plans for my a 'kewl' man-cave area, that I would have practically lived in. :)
Quote: kewljOn virginity: I am a virgin by the wiki definition (no sexual intercourse).
... but are you happy?
Quote: AxelWolfYa, I hear a few basement dwellers around here still have it(no big deal for them).
You can usually spot them easily
their posts might look much like
this. Not sure why, probably to
broke to buy a computer that's
not from a second-hand store.
Betting systems can do that to a
guy.
Lol. "The 80-Year Old Virgin"? I haven't seen it, but it sounds like a real yawner. Btw, getting a "handy" in 8th grade Earth Science, during some boring ass [projector]film we had to watch, is a fond memory. The worst part about getting older is becoming jaded. But, as a man, nothing compares to tightening of the stomach muscles and tingles one gets when a new hand goes down your pants for the 1st time.
Quote: Dieter... but are you happy?
Damn KJ, you could start a new thread, DT of course, on this subject. You're like a friggin' unicorn!
I always wondered when maintaining ones virginity went from endearing to sad.
Yeah, this is a DT thread. Lol. I was only going by the wiki (first that 'popped' up when I googled) definition. And by that definition, I would assume, most gay men fall into the adult virgin category. No?
What was HIS name?Quote: MaxSwelle. Btw, getting a "handy" in 8th grade Earth Science, during some boring ass [projector]film we had to watch, is a fond memory. .
Quote: AxelWolfWhat was HIS name?Quote: MaxSwelle. Btw, getting a "handy" in 8th grade Earth Science, during some boring ass [projector]film we had to watch, is a fond memory. .
Maybe a selfie?
Quote: MaxSwelleBut, as a man, nothing compares to tightening of the stomach muscles and tingles one gets when a new hand goes down your pants for the 1st time.
Own left hand instead of the usual right?
Quote: kewljTingling and tightening of stomach muscles....must have made you swell to the max, MaxSwelle. Sorry, couldn't resist.
Yeah, this is a DT thread. Lol. I was only going by the wiki (first that 'popped' up when I googled) definition. And by that definition, I would assume, most gay men fall into the adult virgin category. No?
Funny. There are a lot of older "hold outs"-gay and straight. I'd say more straight though.
wait a minute hold the phone, Gay's have man caves?Quote: kewljOn virginity: I am a virgin by the wiki definition (no sexual intercourse). Probably TMI :/
On basement dwelling: I tried hard to find a home with a basement. They are rare in the desert. I had plans for my a 'kewl' man-cave area, that I would have practically lived in. :)
Quote: AxelWolfWhat was HIS name?Quote: MaxSwelle. Btw, getting a "handy" in 8th grade Earth Science, during some boring ass [projector]film we had to watch, is a fond memory. .
Ha, you got me. I didn't specify the gender of the person, and you, being the quick witted type, asked the name of the person, with the presupposition of a male counterpart. In doing so you insinuated that I'm a homosexual, or at the very least, bisexual. Thusly, you find "boy on boy" sexual encounters entertaining. A brilliantly constructed quip, AxelWolf. You're a funny guy.
Quote: AxelWolfwait a minute hold the phone, Gay's have man caves?
They have to keep their shoes somewhere...
Quote: petroglyphQuote: AxelWolfWhat was HIS name?Quote: MaxSwelle. Btw, getting a "handy" in 8th grade Earth Science, during some boring ass [projector]film we had to watch, is a fond memory. .
Maybe a selfie?
Quote: kewlj...made you swell to the max, MaxSwelle. Sorry, couldn't resist.
Sorry lover, I couldn't resist. So Ax, are you done with hatchets and looking for another place to work the wood? Man, gay humor is the best! I get it now!
Quote: AxelWolfwait a minute hold the phone, Gay's have man caves?
Why not?
Quote: AxelWolfGay's have man caves?
Quote: kewljWhy not?
I hear they're fabulous.
☺♂Quote: DieterI hear they're fabulous.
Quote: AxelWolfYa, I hear a few basement dwellers around here still have it(no big deal for them).
You can usually spot them easily
their posts might look much like
this. Not sure why, probably to
broke to buy a computer that's
not from a second-hand store.
Betting systems can do that to a
guy.
LOL. Got a good chuckle.
