Craps at 100x: Rampart v. Eastside Cannery

Okay. I've just learned that Rampart and Eastside Cannery share the same management company.
Rampart offers 100x odds at craps and seems to be a more upscale place than the Eastside Cannery with its 100x at craps but I'm undecided.

Rampart casino is at a Marriott resort but is not managed by Marriott and therefore Comps for the Room are not likely to take place. Eastside Cannery might well comp, but 29.00 for the room seems reasonable. One person described the restaurants at the Eastside A poster had mentioned in passing that the restaurants "were crappy" but that usually means he lost at the gambling pit.

Any advice?

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Any preferences??

The Eastside Cannery is relatively new, so the rooms are bound to be clean. The whole place was done on the cheap in a down economy, but you would never know it from the outside. It looks better than anything else on the Boulder Strip, with lots of glass, a cool architectural design and LED-looking lights. Inside, you can tell they cut some corners in terms of decor, but it has all the basics.

The property's diner and buffet are nothing special; in fact, I'd stay away from the buffet. However, the steakhouse Carved is top-notch, and a great bargain at $18-30 a plate. I ate there with my girlfriend a few days after taking her to Bobby Flay's place in Caesar's, and guess which was better? Carve by a mile. After dinner it is fun to grab a cocktail in the bar/lounge on the property's top floor, which has an amazing view of Henderson below and the Strip off in the distance. Just beware of the pit bosses, who can be surly and unaccommodating (discussed in previous post). That's my 10 second review of the E. Cannery.

I've been to the Rampart only once, but was quite impressed. It is a small casino, roughly the size of the Hard Rock floor pre-renovation, with a similar circular layout. The clientele here is a bit more upscale than that of the E. Cannery -- it's the kind of crowd you might see at a Jimmy Buffet concert rather than one from a NASCAR bar. The buffet here is a good middle-of-the-road spread and dirt-cheap if memory serves. My favorite feature was the self-serve Douwe Egberts coffee machine with to-go cups to take on the casino floor.

ive never been to rampart but have been to the eastside canery. its a pretty nice place compared to other places on boulder highway.

We stopped at Eastside Cannery on a weekday evening during the holidays last year. Ate in the diner/coffee shop and we enjoyed it very much. Good food and service. Our experience visiting Eastside Cannery and Sam's Town was so pleasant that I think we're going to stay out there instead of downtown on our next trip.

We also visited the Rampart at mid-day the next day. It was not worth the trip, except for the long-sleeved tee's we got for joining the slot club. We had a very hard time even finding the place, there is no sign for the casino, you have to just sort of know where it is. The casino was very slow at the time that we were there, and most of the BJ tables were 6:5.

Quote: FleaStiff

Rampart casino is at a Marriott resort but is not managed by Marriott and therefore Comps for the Room are not likely to take place.

Don't assume. Often in this type of situation, there will be procedures and discounts in place, and/or wholesale blocks of rooms that have been paid for whether they get guests or not.

I'm not saying that your wrong, but there's at least a reasonable chance that you could be.

Now, if I'm right, you still might not qualify...

Cannery Resorts owns two properties in Vegas and manages Rampart Casino at Summerlin. They also manage a racino outside of Pittsburgh PA. Rampart/Marriot is a four diamond property, while Eastside Cannery is high class blue collar.

Cannery offers 100X odds at all three of their Vegas properties. When table games are legal in PA, they may do it there as well.

Since Rampart and Cannery are so different I would think the choice would be easy. Eastside Cannery only cost $200 million to build (probably what Wynn spends on a hallway, but I find it very attractive. It has a club with a great view on the roof.

Quote: pacomartin

Eastside Cannery is high class blue collar.

Meaning... what?

Eastside Cannery is near the working class neighborhoods of Vegas. I suppose blue collar and Vegas don't go together very well since the city has so few manufacturing jobs. The marketing image is of highly idealized manufacturing images from the 40's and 50's. Food is steak, Mexican, diner food, and buffet.

Rampart is part of a development with multi-million dollar penthouse apartments. It was built as an ambitious attempt by European gaming companies to try and crack the highest end of the Vegas market. Golf is an important part of the development. The Badlands Golf Course has some of the priciest mansions in the city, including Frank Fertita's mansion .

I've been to both. Everything everybody else says is true. I don't think you will get any comps if you play strictly odds. My friends play at Eastside and they don't get squat. And they play heavy action on the odds. (Actually they play as a team, one line bet and pool their bankroll on the odds). Cannery is not going to be a dummy and comp you extensively for making 100 $5 line bets an hour.

So, to sum up: Play Cannery if you are looking to maybe get some low level comps. Play Rampart if you like being in a fancy atmosphere. I prefer Cannery. Rampart always seems kind of old/dead to me. Last time I was at Cannery there were some lively Mexicans playing at the craps game, and that was fun.

Quote: teddys

Rampart always seems kind of old/dead to me.

Then Fleastiff would fit right in.
Thanks. It sounds like Eastside Cannery is preferable and if I ever do get to do 100x odds, it will be at Eastside Cannery rather than Ramparts. Nice idea that pooling of odds money but its all I can do to keep track of whats trump than to figure out who shares what. When I go to Vegas its with my companion and pooling of funds is a more simple concept: I give her money with which to gamble and she keeps the winnings. If I have any winnings with my gambling, she keeps those too.

Quote: FleaStiff

...she keeps the winnings. If I have any winnings with my gambling, she keeps those too.

what's the old saying? "In our Household, the money I make is *our* money. But the money my wife makes is *her* money. "

Quote: FleaStiff

Okay. I've just learned that Rampart offers 100x odds at craps and seems to be a more upscale place than the Eastside Cannery with its 100x at craps but I'm undecided.

Just for the record,
The Eastside Cannery is now at only 20x odds on their craps tables.

Cannery-Original Recipe is still at 100x. This was confirmed by phone call to their table games pit on 12/24/10.

Quote: teddys

Cannery-Original Recipe is still at 100x. This was confirmed by phone call to their table games pit on 12/24/10.

The websites specifically say 10X for original Cannery, 20X for Eastside cannery, and 100x Odds ($5,000 maximum) at Rampart. This policy appears to be in flux, since they stated different odds last week.

Eastside Cannery has quite a few low cost dining options within a few miles. You can walk to Sam's Town next door as well. But it is a decidedly low cost area compared to Rampart and the Resort at Summerlin (which is considered one of the best areas in Vegas).

The Resort at Summerlin started out trying to be the finest resort in all of Vegas when it was built by a Swiss company. They lost their shirt and eventually sold out. Under Marriot management it is still a 4 diamond resort, but the grounds are very luxurious.

I've been told that there is a distinct wall between the hotel and the casino operations so the Rampart is not likely to issue Comps.

Anyway, its nice to learn that casino policies are in flux because that atleast shows they are trying to fine tune their operations in hard times.

Quote: pacomartin

The websites specifically say 10X for original Cannery, 20X for Eastside cannery, and 100x Odds ($5,000 maximum) at Rampart. This policy appears to be in flux, since they stated different odds last week..

They probably changed it since I called then. They may be trying to funnel serious craps players to Rampart, or, alternatively, hedging their bets that no serious craps players will venture out there.

Quote: teddys

They probably changed it since I called then. They may be trying to funnel serious craps players to Rampart, or, alternatively, hedging their bets that no serious craps players will venture out there.

At one point it was 100X at all three casinos.

Even with 100x odds, how many people will really put $500 odds on your $5 line bet?

Quote: NicksGamingStuff

Even with 100x odds, how many people will really put $500 odds on your $5 line bet?

I think we all agree that the huge free odds are mostly advertising. If players in the off-strip locations were relentlessly taking advantage of free odds, you would expect to see lower win percentages from the craps tables since much of the drop would be gambled at no advantage to the casino.

Just the opposite is true, the win percentage at craps is lower on the strip then elsewhere. That would imply one of two things:
1) the off strip players are more naive and taking more proposition bets
2) the strip players don't spend as much time at the tables as the "off strip" players

Personally, I would guess that hypothesis #1 is the dominant reason.

Las Vegas Strip 11.59%
Balance of county 15.26%
Boulder strip 14.77%
Mesquite 17.91%
Laughlin 16.21%
North Las Vegas 19.14%


However, as I said before, these baccarat players that are risking thousands of dollars per hand would be a whole lot better off playing free odds at craps.

My guess is that the off strip casinos advertize the huge odds, since they attract gamers with some money. They have a bad run at playing max free odds, get frustrated, and try their luck at proposition bets.

Quote: NicksGamingStuff

Even with 100x odds, how many people will really put $500 odds on your $5 line bet?

I wouldn't, because one bet would then eat up 5/6ths of my bankroll.

But I would bet 10x odds on a hot shooter, maybe as much as 20x if I'm winning. Or lay odds if playing the don't. I'd also like to hang around the Rampart's craps tables one day and see if someone makes a 100x bet. For a high roller making, say, $500 line bets with 3,4,5x odds, it would make more sense to bet $10 to $25 with 100x odds.

Quote: NicksGamingStuff

Even with 100x odds, how many people will really put $500 odds on your $5 line bet?

Or $1,000 against a $5 don't number.