AxelWolf
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April 15th, 2016 at 8:03:05 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Its funny because you just answered the point of why to spread the (nationally distributed) info. People like Mike did not hear about it.

Your anger comes only from the fact that you knew about it previously. Had you not known about it, like Mike, then you would be thanking me for pointing you to a valuable promotion that you had missed all the announcements on.

In the end, your views are not supported by the management here at WOV. This is and has always been a website dedicated to gambling odds, strategy and AP opportunities. Mike still sees it that way! I see it that way.

Mission, has stated numerous times, he knows plays which he is privy to but committed to not outing. I, too, am in this position. But not mentioning a play that is directly advertised by the casino, the newspapers and other gambling sites is not something that the mods, the Wizard or myself can make any sense out of.

you didn't answer my real question. Did you complain your post got flagged down even after a few AP's asked you not to post it? Could you have perhaps asked them more as to why they didn't think it was a good Idea beyond the obvious, or did you run and complain to Mike?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Wizard
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April 15th, 2016 at 8:21:48 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I didn't mean any disrespect to the site or Mike by flagging it was not out of greed or selfishness it was out of trying preserving something.



Thank you for your confession. Normally I think seven days would be appropriate for inappropriately flagging a post with useful and truthful information. However, since you confessed, I'll make it only three.

I'm working on trying to determine who else may have flagged it. Confessions are still being accepted and in return will receive lighter sentences.

To address the topic at hand, I concur 100% with darkoz. This was not some obscure opportunity but one the casino is trying to draw as much attention to as possible. With any lucrative promotion, drawing attention to it always can do no benefit to those who already knew about it, and those people always complain loudly. However, it can do no harm to those who didn't.

My general philosophy is that truthful information is a good thing. If somebody wants to share a play here, then he is welcome to. As far as I know, the three big controversial threads were all about plays that were no big secret anyway (Mohegan Sun triple down, Revel 100% loss rebate, and this). Even for those who don't play them, learning about strategies about how to play them can be educational. It all boils down to my philosophy that if there were unfettered access to truthful information, then the world would be a better place.
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TwoFeathersATL
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April 15th, 2016 at 8:39:46 PM permalink
No joke.
I will now be hesitant to flag any post.
I do not understand the rules as well as I thought I did yesterday.
BTW, that is not a confession.
Been a week or more since I flagged anything.
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RS
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April 15th, 2016 at 8:39:58 PM permalink
Maybe some people thought "flag as inappropriate" means something that they think is inappropriate and shouldn't be posted on the forum -- a matter of opinion, whether something is appropriate or not.
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April 15th, 2016 at 8:41:59 PM permalink
I just got word from somebody I was going to play this with that all the $5 games are gone. The best one for this promotion is $2 9-6 Double Double Bonus. I show that has a return of 101.70%.

Hand Pays Combinations Probability Return
Royal flush 1024 46,925,024 0.000028 0.028927
Straight flush 50 184,157,518 0.000111 0.005543
Four aces + 2-4 512 102,704,558 0.000062 0.031657
Four 2-4 + A-4 204.8 237,941,055 0.000143 0.029336
Four aces + 5-K 204.8 289,567,285 0.000174 0.035701
Four 2-4 + 5-K 80 638,537,018 0.000384 0.030752
Four 5-K 50 2,696,447,999 0.001623 0.081164
Full house 9 18,006,710,343 0.010840 0.097562
Flush 6 18,635,694,348 0.011219 0.067313
Straight 4 21,145,118,110 0.012730 0.050918
3 of a kind 3 124,693,726,702 0.075067 0.225201
Two pair 1 204,075,123,732 0.122855 0.122855
Jacks or better 1 348,909,575,262 0.210047 0.210047
Nothing 0 921,440,314,146 0.554716 0.000000
Total 1,661,102,543,100 1.000000 1.016977
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April 15th, 2016 at 8:47:08 PM permalink
Quote: RS

Maybe some people thought "flag as inappropriate" means something that they think is inappropriate and shouldn't be posted on the forum -- a matter of opinion, whether something is appropriate or not.



I have a different opinion. Would you like a team of members following you around and flagging all of your posts because it was their personal opinion that all of your posts were inappropriate.

The fact of the matter is that 99% of the reason for the flag feature is to bust spam.
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RS
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April 15th, 2016 at 9:09:23 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I have a different opinion. Would you like a team of members following you around and flagging all of your posts because it was their personal opinion that all of your posts were inappropriate.

The fact of the matter is that 99% of the reason for the flag feature is to bust spam.



No group is going around following someone flagging all of their posts. It appears this isn't some on-going thing....happened once to a post which you admit is controversial. If Axel et al thought it was inappropriate.....maybe there's a chance it actually IS inappropriate.


How does the benefit outweigh the negative, here? Bunch of people learn about a play that they never knew about and likely wouldn't have ever played (if they would have played it, they would have known about it).
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teddys
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April 15th, 2016 at 9:16:40 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I just got word from somebody I was going to play this with that all the $5 games are gone.

I am just about 0% shocked.
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Wizardofnothing
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April 15th, 2016 at 9:43:01 PM permalink
The d got killed on it last yearninthink and ended it or maybe it was golden gate... I thought flagging was based on opinion, I think it should be more of a warning then suspension and maybe an explanation of what you intend flagging to be use for, because on other site you can flag for a variety of things .
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Wizard
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April 15th, 2016 at 10:05:24 PM permalink
The results of the flagging investigation are in. Those who flagged the darkoz post were RS, AxelWolf, djatc, and Wizardofnothing. Here is what I'm going to do:

RS, djatc, Wizardofnothing: Seven-day suspension.
AxelWolf: As already stated, three-day suspension. The leniency is in return for the confession.

Edit I earlier incorrectly accused djatc for making a duplicate account to complain and gave him 14 days. In the heat of battle, I incorrectly confused him with someone else who did do this. For that, I have lowered his suspension back to seven days and I issue a public apology for the accusation and owe him 50 push-ups or one beer -- his choice.
Last edited by: Wizard on Apr 15, 2016
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