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11 votes (40.74%)
2 votes (7.4%)
10 votes (37.03%)
1 vote (3.7%)
3 votes (11.11%)

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joenunz
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November 27th, 2013 at 7:26:19 AM permalink
We love The Mirage, always have a great time there during our annual weekend in Vegas. We always spent some time there and stayed there the last two years. We love the staff, the vibe, the restaurants, but.... they have turned all the under $25 blackjack to 6/5.

The two pit bosses I talked to about it were sympathetic, but I got the same reality check from both, essentially, "People don't know, don't understand or don't care"

Fare thee well Mirage, it was nice knowing you!
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1BB
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November 27th, 2013 at 8:20:38 AM permalink
Maybe it's wishful thinking but I'm down for never. I think there will always be at least one rebel in the bunch, even within the same chain.
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98Clubs
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November 30th, 2013 at 8:38:17 AM permalink
Probably aa lot sooner than I think... 2 years. Skipped right over 7/5 (-0.46%).
Some people need to reimagine their thinking.
Paradigm
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November 30th, 2013 at 10:10:42 AM permalink
With the other normal rules for a low limit BJ game giving you a 0.62% HE, installing the 6/5 BJ rule makes the HE right around 1.99% I believe.

That should be a big boost to the carnival game pit as suddenly UTH, Crazy Four Poker & even TCP with it low 2%+ EOR become better options for the players and provide a much more volatile experience for the player. For most recreational gambler's, more volatility equals more fun. Why would you even play BJ if the game offered no significant math advantage over games that provide multi-unit pay out events and normally are easier to play optimal strategy.

My guess is that Bally's, Galaxy & DEQ are all rooting for 6/5 to become the standard in BJ sooner vs. later and the casino's better said aside some of those "extra winnings" off the 6/5 BJ tables to spend on leasing fees for additional proprietary games! They are going to need the seats!!
Buzzard
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November 30th, 2013 at 10:24:24 AM permalink
Who didn't see this coming ? DUH Slots are king and BJ has become a loss leader when offered at 3/2 and under $25. Let alone at $5.
Think about it , say full table 7 players and 350 hands an hour even. One or 2 play basic close to 1%, 5 play at 1 and a half percent.
I mean hard to go above 1.5%. House would make a grand total of $23.75 per hour.

Yeah I know some bet more than $5, but still ? And with a flat rate of 2% on a 6/5 game still hard for accountants to approve any $5 game on weekends or week night NO WAY

And for the house to get that abysmal 00.62 edge, it's gotta be a 6 deck shoe and hit 17.

There is a reason Josie calles BJ GRIND.

" Why would you even play BJ if the game offered no significant math advantage over games that provide multi-unit pay out events and normally are easier to play optimal strategy."

Because they saw the movie Rainman or just like the game. Why the hell does anyone play craps ? Especially betting against the low edge by spreading out bets all over the place ?
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FleaStiff
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November 30th, 2013 at 12:13:53 PM permalink
Heck, with skilled players sitting their half the night some of them counting... it doesn't take the computers long to spit out spreadsheets of whats happening at the decent tables. Sure there are nearby casinos but eventually they will just put up a large sign Now offering 6:5 and go with the flow.

It will take some time but it will happen.

Its getting crowded on the Strip and pedestrian traffic crawls between posers and beggars... time for tightening up all "leaks".
Paradigm
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November 30th, 2013 at 1:43:03 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

Why the hell does anyone play craps ? Especially betting against the low edge by spreading out bets all over the place ?


Craps has way more juice and action than BJ....with odds bets, prop bets, every roll you can light up another number.....I bet Josie has never said "Craps is a grind" :-).

Of course there are all kinds of other reasons craps is losing its luster, but it isn't because players standing around the table think its a grind!

And BJ is a grind, but at 0.62% or less, it may be worth it for some.....at 1.99% it isn't worth it for anyone when other options with more action are available.
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November 30th, 2013 at 2:32:46 PM permalink
Quote: Paradigm

Craps has way more juice and action than BJ....with odds bets, prop bets, every roll you can light up another number.....I bet Josie has never said "Craps is a grind" :-).

Of course there are all kinds of other reasons craps is losing its luster, but it isn't because players standing around the table think its a grind!

And BJ is a grind, but at 0.62% or less, it may be worth it for some.....at 1.99% it isn't worth it for anyone when other options with more action are available.



People don't care because 6 is more than 3 and they don't understand fractions or ratios any more. They don't know what they're giving up, and don't care to find out. They just know that they want to keep their hand below 21, to which they have to open their zipper to count. I voted end of 2014: I can definitely see, once 6/5 gets established, a wave of advertising "7/5 BJ HERE!" coming, like it's a huge improvement on other places. Because 7 is more than 6, you see.
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ThatDonGuy
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November 30th, 2013 at 3:33:48 PM permalink
You left an option off of the poll:

"They still have under $25 blackjack on The Strip?"
ThatDonGuy
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November 30th, 2013 at 3:36:25 PM permalink
Quote: joenunz

The two pit bosses I talked to about it were sympathetic, but I got the same reality check from both, essentially, "People don't know, don't understand or don't care"


Or option #4: they think that their counting ability can beat a 6/5 game.

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