Hard Rock soon to be Virgin Las Vegas?
January 24th, 2018 at 5:41:04 PM
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January 24th, 2018 at 7:58:59 PM
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There’s a little matter of a background check that may keep a gaming license out of Branson’s pocket.
If the sale goes through, does it include all the memorabilia?
If the sale goes through, does it include all the memorabilia?
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January 24th, 2018 at 8:14:19 PM
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Quote: AyecarumbaThere’s a little matter of a background check that may keep a gaming license out of Branson’s pocket.
My, how provocative.
What dirt are you aware of with Sir Richard Branson, other than the recent "motorboating" allegation?
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January 25th, 2018 at 8:42:17 AM
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Quote: AyecarumbaThere’s a little matter of a background check that may keep a gaming license out of Branson’s pocket.
If the sale goes through, does it include all the memorabilia?
Doubtful, and besides, I think that it would clash with the "Virgin Hotel" branding (there's one in Chicago, and one opening soon in San Francisco near the convention center).
As for a gaming license, I wouldn't be surprised if it is reopened without a casino. It is off-strip, after all.
January 25th, 2018 at 8:52:39 AM
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since Hard Rock bought the Taj Mahal in atlantic city, does that mean sir Richard will own it?
and who did he motorboat?
and who did he motorboat?
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January 25th, 2018 at 9:58:49 AM
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So it's JUST the Las Vegas property? Not all the Hard Rocks in the US?
January 25th, 2018 at 11:25:53 AM
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Quote: TigerWuSo it's JUST the Las Vegas property? Not all the Hard Rocks in the US?
Based on what it says in the article, just the Vegas one.
At least, for now. Who knows what the next move will be? Are the other Hard Rock Hotels in bad shape, financially?
January 25th, 2018 at 1:40:09 PM
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Not sure, but not surprising when the one in vegas keeps getting in lawsuits for treating counters illegally =D.Quote: ThatDonGuy...Are the other Hard Rock Hotels in bad shape, financially?
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January 25th, 2018 at 1:56:23 PM
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I did walk by the one in downtown Chicago this week. It was shuttered. But it wasn't a casino, just a hotel.Quote: ThatDonGuyAre the other Hard Rock Hotels in bad shape, financially?
There seem to be many Hard Rock casino/hotels around the world, apparently with different companies that own them. Google says the LV Hard Rock is owned by an outfit called Brookfield Asset Management.
I know the ones in Florida are owned by the Seminole Indian tribe, and they appear to be doing just fine. (As any monopoly should!)
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January 25th, 2018 at 3:27:45 PM
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Seems kind of foolish/wasteful to me. Isn't the Hard Rock pretty successful? Especially being off the strip and competing with the big guys.
On the other hand, he's a billionaire and I'm just another schmuck.
Maybe he figures Virgin and HRC are going for the same audience and he's more likely to succeed by replacing them, rather than competing.
However, I think the Hard Rock is much more distinctive. One of the few places that doesn't play the worst of the worst, mindless top 40 music and fake country. It's cool to see old videos by people like Prince, but they mix in some new stuff too. I could be wrong, but the music selection might be an underrated element in appealing to customers. If you really like music, there's such a big difference between listening to song after song that you hate (at Ceasar's, say) compared to a good mix, with a few songs you really like. My mom, who has pretty different taste than me, likes HRC for that reason. Yet they still bring in a pretty young crowd.
I'm not big on memorabilia personally, but I'm sure a lot of people like seeing Slipknot's underwear and Keith Richards' discarded syringes. They also have a nice little niche in boxing and MMA.
I feel like the Virgin brand of hip and cool is pretty much the same as many strip properties. Bad pop music. Pricey. Whatever is in at the moment. What would be the difference between Virgin and The SLS?
On the other hand, he's a billionaire and I'm just another schmuck.
Maybe he figures Virgin and HRC are going for the same audience and he's more likely to succeed by replacing them, rather than competing.
However, I think the Hard Rock is much more distinctive. One of the few places that doesn't play the worst of the worst, mindless top 40 music and fake country. It's cool to see old videos by people like Prince, but they mix in some new stuff too. I could be wrong, but the music selection might be an underrated element in appealing to customers. If you really like music, there's such a big difference between listening to song after song that you hate (at Ceasar's, say) compared to a good mix, with a few songs you really like. My mom, who has pretty different taste than me, likes HRC for that reason. Yet they still bring in a pretty young crowd.
I'm not big on memorabilia personally, but I'm sure a lot of people like seeing Slipknot's underwear and Keith Richards' discarded syringes. They also have a nice little niche in boxing and MMA.
I feel like the Virgin brand of hip and cool is pretty much the same as many strip properties. Bad pop music. Pricey. Whatever is in at the moment. What would be the difference between Virgin and The SLS?
January 25th, 2018 at 3:58:49 PM
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Well, for me the big difference (assuming that the "Virgin" includes a casino) is that one would offer the opportunity for adding a new chip to my collection, likely followed by not returning to the establishment for maybe a decade.Quote: RigondeauxWhat would be the difference between Virgin and The SLS?
January 25th, 2018 at 5:33:00 PM
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Quote: 100xOddsand who did he motorboat?
motorboating article
Really?
C'mon Richard, you're a billionaire, you can do better than that.
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January 25th, 2018 at 5:56:14 PM
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What's she complaining about? I'd have to be paid to motorboat her.Quote: MrVmotorboating article
Really?
C'mon Richard, you're a billionaire, you can do better than that.
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August 25th, 2018 at 11:44:26 AM
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Quote: ThatDonGuyDoubtful, and besides, I think that it would clash with the "Virgin Hotel" branding (there's one in Chicago, and one opening soon in San Francisco near the convention center).
As for a gaming license, I wouldn't be surprised if it is reopened without a casino. It is off-strip, after all.
According to this interview, the hotel will not only still have a casino, but it will be keeping the existing rock & roll memorabilia.
August 25th, 2018 at 12:42:55 PM
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So is Hard Rock like a franchise or something?
They're all over the place, but they each seem to do their own thing, unlike a lot of other casino properties.
They're all over the place, but they each seem to do their own thing, unlike a lot of other casino properties.
August 25th, 2018 at 1:47:34 PM
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Quote: ThatDonGuyAccording to this interview, the hotel will not only still have a casino, but it will be keeping the existing rock & roll memorabilia.
According to several employees, the casino stays and all employees will be interviewed for their jobs. Biggest differences seem to be the pool party is going to end.
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August 25th, 2018 at 1:58:38 PM
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Quote: billryanall employees will be interviewed for their jobs.
October 10th, 2018 at 1:10:36 PM
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Big changes, none good.
10X points on Monday and 20X on Thursdays are gone.
Drinks at the bar go like this. Bartender looks to see at least $20 in machine for your first drink.
Now the computer takes over. After X amount of play, a drink ticket pops out of the cash out slot. Coupon is good for 48 hours. If you go ten minutes without playing, the meter resets to zero. Guy next to me was playing video poker for $10 a hand and seemed to get a ticket every few minutes. I was playing $2 $VBJ and got a coupon after about $200 in. I like to switch machines every few minutes, just to get my legs some circulation, so I'll have to adjust my style a bit.
Bartender told me they currently have some discrimination as far as giving drinks but they don't seem happy. Saw a loud argument between a guy and the barkeep. He insisted he and his friends should be grandfathered in under the old rules.
10X points on Monday and 20X on Thursdays are gone.
Drinks at the bar go like this. Bartender looks to see at least $20 in machine for your first drink.
Now the computer takes over. After X amount of play, a drink ticket pops out of the cash out slot. Coupon is good for 48 hours. If you go ten minutes without playing, the meter resets to zero. Guy next to me was playing video poker for $10 a hand and seemed to get a ticket every few minutes. I was playing $2 $VBJ and got a coupon after about $200 in. I like to switch machines every few minutes, just to get my legs some circulation, so I'll have to adjust my style a bit.
Bartender told me they currently have some discrimination as far as giving drinks but they don't seem happy. Saw a loud argument between a guy and the barkeep. He insisted he and his friends should be grandfathered in under the old rules.
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October 10th, 2018 at 5:00:13 PM
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I don't drink, but I think that, I would be less inclined to tip at all for a drink under these new voucher rules. Why should a person? After all you earned it and the casino says they owe it to you. Let the casino pay the server a living wage or find some robot to deliver the drink. Do you tip the workers at the rewards center when they give you some salad bowl you earned?
October 11th, 2018 at 1:11:00 AM
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The problem is that it's too ambigious and not transparent as to what's required at each casino bar. I was killing some time at the sportsbook bar at Paris and the bartender got me a drink right away, with me playing a single hand. Meanwhile at Caesars I put in a decent amount of coin in before I was offered a drink. Doesn't make any sense.
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October 11th, 2018 at 1:40:05 AM
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Quote: MaxPenI don't drink, but I think that, I would be less inclined to tip at all for a drink under these new voucher rules. Why should a person? After all you earned it and the casino says they owe it to you. Let the casino pay the server a living wage or find some robot to deliver the drink. Do you tip the workers at the rewards center when they give you some salad bowl you earned?
I tip the servers when enjoying a free meal that I earned. I'll still tip my $1 a drink but would think more people will tip less
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October 11th, 2018 at 2:27:57 AM
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Court ordered probably. (-xQuote: MaxPenI don't drink
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
October 11th, 2018 at 5:38:14 AM
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Quote: djatcThe problem is that it's too ambigious and not transparent as to what's required at each casino bar. I was killing some time at the sportsbook bar at Paris and the bartender got me a drink right away, with me playing a single hand. Meanwhile at Caesars I put in a decent amount of coin in before I was offered a drink. Doesn't make any sense.
One time a bartender at Caesars AC told me I couldn’t play at the bar unless I was Diamond, which is illegal in NJ.
I tried paying for a drink and he ignored me until I got off the machine.
October 28th, 2018 at 6:58:50 PM
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Drink tickets now good for six hours. Bartender thinks they'll eventually go down to three hours.
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March 29th, 2019 at 1:44:48 PM
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Remodeling, rebranding:
https://www.reviewjournal.com/entertainment/entertainment-columns/kats/las-vegas-hard-rock-hotel-to-go-dark-for-4-months-in-virgin-renovations-1555298/
the rebranding reminds me somewhat of the shifts and changes the Aladdin / Planet Hollywood went through. I think what saved P. Hollywood though is that it's on the Strip (even though it doesn't even have a drive up Strip entrance, and people sometimes pull into Paris by mistake and miss P. Hollywood entirely).
I used to stay at the Hard Rock a lot, my player card there has only four digits I practically opened the place. When their limits were $5K due to my credit line they used to allow me to play to $10K. At the time I was a big player at Harvey's Tahoe, and Harvey's was the initial backer of Peter Morton's Hard Rock Vegas, until Morton sold off all his cafes and used the money to buy out Harvey's, and Harvey's is why I was invited to the Hard Rock opening.
The H.R. Vegas was never player friendly. They sweated any kind of card counter at BJ, they were very stingy with the free hands at Baccarat, and they imposed strict limits on how much you could tip dealers (partly due to celebrity tippers like Matt Damon). You used to see a lot of celebrities there; before Dennis Rodham went bust he used to sit at the BJ tables with a pyramidal stack of purple Jimmy Hendrix $500. chips, with Carmen Electra. I once played BJ with Pink's (Alecia Moore) entourage, and Baccarat more than a few times with Joe Viterelli. I watched Matt Damon get carried to his room in a drunken stupor. Many other celebrities were around too.
I mention the celebrities to emphasize how happening it once was (no celebrities there these days, I don't think).
The casino itself is circular, and relatively dark; my Dad said it reminded him of a bus terminal.
But still, there was the atmosphere, the great music, and the girls who flocked to the place that made it a fun casino and resort.
The Hard Rock Vegas had its heyday, but I haven't even stepped foot in the place for many years. It reminds me of the Palms, that was also super hot for some years and is now not even thought of much. In the end, maybe it has to do with that anyplace too far off the strip (other than downtown, that has its own following), has a hard time making it.
For the most part the spot that the Hard Rock and Palms occupied, at their heights, has been overtaken by the Cosmopolitan. Even the Cosmo has cooled somewhat in terms of crowds, but it's still busy.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/entertainment/entertainment-columns/kats/las-vegas-hard-rock-hotel-to-go-dark-for-4-months-in-virgin-renovations-1555298/
the rebranding reminds me somewhat of the shifts and changes the Aladdin / Planet Hollywood went through. I think what saved P. Hollywood though is that it's on the Strip (even though it doesn't even have a drive up Strip entrance, and people sometimes pull into Paris by mistake and miss P. Hollywood entirely).
I used to stay at the Hard Rock a lot, my player card there has only four digits I practically opened the place. When their limits were $5K due to my credit line they used to allow me to play to $10K. At the time I was a big player at Harvey's Tahoe, and Harvey's was the initial backer of Peter Morton's Hard Rock Vegas, until Morton sold off all his cafes and used the money to buy out Harvey's, and Harvey's is why I was invited to the Hard Rock opening.
The H.R. Vegas was never player friendly. They sweated any kind of card counter at BJ, they were very stingy with the free hands at Baccarat, and they imposed strict limits on how much you could tip dealers (partly due to celebrity tippers like Matt Damon). You used to see a lot of celebrities there; before Dennis Rodham went bust he used to sit at the BJ tables with a pyramidal stack of purple Jimmy Hendrix $500. chips, with Carmen Electra. I once played BJ with Pink's (Alecia Moore) entourage, and Baccarat more than a few times with Joe Viterelli. I watched Matt Damon get carried to his room in a drunken stupor. Many other celebrities were around too.
I mention the celebrities to emphasize how happening it once was (no celebrities there these days, I don't think).
The casino itself is circular, and relatively dark; my Dad said it reminded him of a bus terminal.
But still, there was the atmosphere, the great music, and the girls who flocked to the place that made it a fun casino and resort.
The Hard Rock Vegas had its heyday, but I haven't even stepped foot in the place for many years. It reminds me of the Palms, that was also super hot for some years and is now not even thought of much. In the end, maybe it has to do with that anyplace too far off the strip (other than downtown, that has its own following), has a hard time making it.
For the most part the spot that the Hard Rock and Palms occupied, at their heights, has been overtaken by the Cosmopolitan. Even the Cosmo has cooled somewhat in terms of crowds, but it's still busy.
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March 29th, 2019 at 2:53:02 PM
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Quote: djatcThe problem is that it's too ambigious and not transparent as to what's required at each casino bar. I was killing some time at the sportsbook bar at Paris and the bartender got me a drink right away, with me playing a single hand. Meanwhile at Caesars I put in a decent amount of coin in before I was offered a drink. Doesn't make any sense.
I am very familiar with the system Caesars properties use for drinks, It is recommended to the casino to give a drink to the patron as soon as they insert money and start playing. A light goes on telling the bartender you just inserted money. They can configure the minimum bet amount but most casinos seem to use the default of $1. When you reach a configured amount of coin in the system will turn the light on telling the bartender that you are eligible for another drink. The light will then stay on as long as you keep playing at the desired pace.
https://www.ardentgaming.com/gaming-products/complimentary-validation/
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