So Easy to get Comps at the D!

I have always supposed that it would be pretty easy to get comps from the D, but I had no idea HOW EASY!

On Oct 31, 2014 I played $1 a spin on a slot machine from 2 pm till 6 pm....got a handpay and came out way ahead.

I just got a flyer in the mail today from them offering...

8 free nights (4 in Feb 4 in March)
$150 in freeplay ($75 each month)
$100 in free food ( $50 each month)
2 free show tix to F. Scinta
2 $50 match plays
2 $ 25 match plays
(And I won't even use those last two)

(If only i were going in Feb or March...)

Quote: Blonde4ever

I have always supposed that it would be pretty easy to get comps from the D, but I had no idea HOW EASY!

On Oct 31, 2014 I played $1 a spin on a slot machine from 2 pm till 6 pm....got a handpay and came out way ahead.

I just got a flyer in the mail today from them offering...

8 free nights (4 in Feb 4 in March)
$150 in freeplay ($75 each month)
$100 in free food ( $50 each month)
2 free show tix to F. Scinta
2 $50 match plays
2 $ 25 match plays
(And I won't even use those last two)

(If only i were going in Feb or March...)

Why wouldn't you use the last two? The casino is giving you free money. I don't play slots, but if the casino gives me freeplay, I will play slots.

All you need to do is go to the Baccarat table and sit there for 4 hands. Place your bet with the match play on the Player's circle. Alternatively, you can go to the Roulette table and bet on black for 4 spins or go to a Craps table that is not too crowded and ask the dealer how to place a Pass Line bet. I personally would use the match play on Blackjack, but you probably don't want to go through the hassle of learning the strategy.

I might use them...but I would likely need coaching...lol
I think roulette would be easiest for a non table game player, right?
I just play VP and slots.

You will like the Scinta show. It is very good.

Strangely enough I bought tickets from Ebay for his show for that October trip, but I got so busy gambling that I blew it off.
I shouldn't have done that!

Quote: Blonde4ever

I might use them...but I would likely need coaching...lol
I think roulette would be easiest for a non table game player, right?
I just play VP and slots.

No coaching, your best bet, if you are restricted to Even Money bets (I know my Match Plays at The D were) is to bet Player on Baccarat. Just put the Match Play and the same amount in chips on Player and the dealer will take care of the rest, there's nothing to know how to do.

In terms of EV, Pass or Don't Pass in Craps are also close, and require no knowledge.

EDIT: Downtown or Off-Strip casinos will also usually comp better than Strip casinos, as you probably already know. I'm not very surprised by these comps from The D, at 1000 spins/hour, you would have spun 4,000 times.

According to:

http://www.americancasinoguide.com/slot-machine-payback-statistics.html#Nevada

Downtown Las Vegas averages 95.2% return on dollar slots (and you might have been playing $1/spin at a lower denomination, you didn't specify) which would be an expected loss of $192 on $4,000 coin-in.

An expected loss of $48/hour looks REALLY good to Downtown casinos, good enough to try to compel you to stay there, certainly.

Thanks for the advice!

Quote: Blonde4ever

Thanks for the advice!

You're welcome, and I Edited and added a bit into my post after you read it, btw.

I was playing a Buffalo Deluxe...a penny machine...not even close to the max bet.
I was pretty pleased with the outcome when I got a $1500 handpay.

Quote: Blonde4ever

I was playing a Buffalo Deluxe...a penny machine...not even close to the max bet.
I was pretty pleased with the outcome when I got a $1500 handpay.

That's definitely a good result, and I am REALLY not surprised now if their PC system can differentiate between slot denominations. (I don't know if it can or not).

The Downtown LV penny machine return (same link as post above) returns an average of 88.83%, which means you would have had an expected loss of .1117 * 4000 = $446.80 (Again, assuming 1000 spins/hour) and the result is losing about $111.70/hour, per expectation.

I don't know if they would go as far to assume that your Free Play will be used on penny slots rather than VP, but if they did, let's break down the values, by offer, per month.

$75 Free Play = 75 * .8883 = $66.62

$75 Match Plays per Month (Craps-Pass Line): (.5071 * -75) + (.4929 * 150) = 35.9025

Four Nights @ Cost to the D: $20-$50 total

$50 in Food at Cost: $15-$25 total

Two Free show Tickets @ cost to The D: ???

We'll say they are giving you anywhere from about $150-$190 in terms of what this total offer costs them in cash and prizes. As you can see, if you play just four hours in addition to the free play and match play at a penny machine, spinning at 1000 games/hour, your expected loss is going to be more than double the sum of the value of your offers in terms of cost to The D.

Of course, there are the free drinks and taxes they have to pay on the revenue of your losses (theoretically, if you lose) and this and that, but overall, based on just that same four hours of action happening again, they'll come out ahead on it.

Although, if you take them up on the offers, I'm sure they anticipate you'll play more than that!

You guys sure talk a lot of math around here!

I understand that last part...and yes...you are right...I would be playing more than that most likely.

Quote: Mission146

No coaching, your best bet, if you are restricted to Even Money bets (I know my Match Plays at The D were) is to bet Player on Baccarat. Just put the Match Play and the same amount in chips on Player and the dealer will take care of the rest, there's nothing to know how to do.

In terms of EV, Pass or Don't Pass in Craps are also close, and require no knowledge.

EDIT: Downtown or Off-Strip casinos will also usually comp better than Strip casinos, as you probably already know. I'm not very surprised by these comps from The D, at 1000 spins/hour, you would have spun 4,000 times.

According to:

http://www.americancasinoguide.com/slot-machine-payback-statistics.html#Nevada

Downtown Las Vegas averages 95.2% return on dollar slots (and you might have been playing $1/spin at a lower denomination, you didn't specify) which would be an expected loss of $192 on $4,000 coin-in.

An expected loss of $48/hour looks REALLY good to Downtown casinos, good enough to try to compel you to stay there, certainly.

NO F*ING way its 95%.(unless he/she was playing something like DD) Ill bet it was -10% . I Don't care what the (BS) numbers say. We have to much experience in Downtown slots. Only a few $1 denominations are above 92%. Imagine .25 or lower denominations

minus over $300 TO $400 in EV. assuming 1k spins per HR.

Quote: AxelWolf

NO F*ING way its 95%.(unless he/she was playing something like DD) Ill bet it was -10% . I Don't care what the (BS) numbers say. We have to much experience in Downtown slots. Only a few $1 denominations are above 92%. Imagine .25 or lower denominations

minus over $300 TO $400 in EV. assuming 1k spins per HR.

you guys have me checking out the Wizard's Guide.

Quote: guide

Granted, it has become somewhat dated, but I think it still makes for a rough guideline

For some reason unexplained, the guide is for nickel play. What kind of change happenes when you go to $1?

It was pennies, just a $1 total bet. I redid it in a later post.

1k spins per hour in slots -- is that realistic? It seems like the reels spin for 10 seconds, you get a typical 40 to 60 cent win (on average per spin, which is actually a loss since you bet 100 cents), the machine takes 10 seconds to pay you. Player spins again and repeats process.

Maybe I exaggerated.

But I say 8 seconds average per spin, perhaps more (remember bonus rounds don't count for coin-in / spins).

At 10 spins a minute (that's one every 6 seconds), you'll get 600 spins an hour.

I think 1k spins an hour is more accurate if you're playing at max speed by smashing the button (ie: +EV progressive).


Maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps I am. But intuitively I think 1k/hr is quite high for slots.

Quote: AxelWolf

NO F*ING way its 95%.(unless he/she was playing something like DD) Ill bet it was -10% . I Don't care what the (BS) numbers say. We have to much experience in Downtown slots. Only a few $1 denominations are above 92%. Imagine .25 or lower denominations

minus over $300 TO $400 in EV. assuming 1k spins per HR.

Yeah those numbers in the guide are skewed by VP...the slots are definitely lower. But I agree with others...are many people playing 1k spins per hour? I thought it was closer to 600 per hour for most players.

Quote: tringlomane

Yeah those numbers in the guide are skewed by VP...the slots are definitely lower. But I agree with others...are many people playing 1k spins per hour? I thought it was closer to 600 per hour for most players.

Maybe more like 600, then. I wasn't considering that, in the rare event I play slot machines, I'm button mashing because I'm at some kind of advantage.

Either way, it holds up because they're expecting to get more theo on the action than the value of the comps.

The D is a pretty cool place. Dancing girls on the first floor, and Vintage Vegas on the second. Many good games to be played, and very low roller friendly. One guy I know loves the coney dogs, so he enjoys the comps. The rooms are pretty basic, make sure as well as many other places to get a high floor so you don't hear the Fremont Begging for Dollars Experience.

It will all comendown to the type of slot you are playing. Bonus rounds? Outo stop etc etc. Ill test a single line double Dimond slot and see what the avrage is on that. Then ill playba Auto stop and see. I have some auto stop slot with bonus rounds. Tracked I though I coukd get out 1300 spins an hr but ill have to recheck.

Hmmm, so it seems there's a bump up between $3k C/I and $4k C/I, because last year I put in around $3k C/I and my offers are 3 nights with $50 in FP and $50 in MP, plus a $25 in F&B and BOGO show ticket. Although it could also be that I was playing VP. . .

Quote: Harv29

Hmmm, so it seems there's a bump up between $3k C/I and $4k C/I, because last year I put in around $3k C/I and my offers are 3 nights with $50 in FP and $50 in MP, plus a $25 in F&B and BOGO show ticket. Although it could also be that I was playing VP. . .

VP play definitely earns you less mail offers than slot. I am also guessing from the $50 MP offer that you played some table games too. If you play both table and machines at the same location, your offers are usually divided like this and the total is lower than if you had just played one or the other. To maximize offers, you should have certain stores where you play tables and certain stores where you play machines, but of course that is hard to do if you are from out of town and staying at the property, as naturally you want to play at that property.

There are sweet spots for every location, as far as amount of coin-in and such. It's not proportional. Maybe $4K coin in earns you x amount of free play, and only a bit more say, $5K coin in will earn twice that. The trick is to find the sweet spot, maximizing return for minimum amount of play. This is mostly trial and error, with some info sharing also helpful. But just when you think you have figured out the system, they seem to tighten up or lossen up. For the last year, all of Vegas seems to be going in the same direction. :(

That's a lot of Coneys

I had a host contact me out of the blue after taking $10 fp a week for like a year now. Maybe they like my hit and run action?

When you think you know you often do not know,
most refer to the D as ez comps, but are referring to another casino, with the nickname D.