Worst 3-2 Blackjack game in Vegas
6 decks
Dealer hits soft 17
No double after split
No surrender
No re-splitting aces
And, get this, double on 10 and 11 only
Granted, it isn't as bad as 6-5. Is it just me or does anyone else think that adding the rule about doubling on 10 and 11 only, on top of every possible bad rule already, is kind of egregious?
Quote: mipletI've always wondered if restricting to doubling down on 10, 11 only is worse for the casino. No doubling hard 12's, players screw up the soft double downs, ect.
I've never once seen anyone double are hard 12 or more in a casino. In live home games I've seen it. Fortunately, I was dealing at the time.
While the effect for the basic strategy player adds 0.18% to the house edge, in reality I think it adds much less. Some players do correctly double on 9, but only stone cold basic strategy players seem to know, or practice, the soft doubles.
Basically, open the floodgates on doubles and everyone is happy. Caesar's management seems a little out to lunch.
One time a guy did it on every single 12, even against a 10 or ace. And he got a lot of 12s that night. The dealer tried to talk him out of it every time.
Quote: WizardI was on the Strip today, in part to update my blackjack survey. I was surprised to learn of of the following game at Caesar's Palace:
6 decks
Dealer hits soft 17
No double after split
No surrender
No re-splitting aces
And, get this, double on 10 and 11 only
Granted, it isn't as bad as 6-5. Is it just me or does anyone else think that adding the rule about doubling on 10 and 11 only, on top of every possible bad rule already, is kind of egregious?
I was at Caesars last week. I didn't see that rule on any 3-2 table, but I saw that rule on 6-5 in the Pleasure Pits. Not that I'm looking for that table, but where is it located? It must be in the "Colosseum" Pit.
And I can't believe you've NEVER seen anybody double a hard 12 at a table. I see it happen quite a bit.
Quote: WizardI was on the Strip today, in part to update my blackjack survey. I was surprised to learn of of the following game at Caesar's Palace:
6 decks
Dealer hits soft 17
No double after split
No surrender
No re-splitting aces
And, get this, double on 10 and 11 only
Granted, it isn't as bad as 6-5. Is it just me or does anyone else think that adding the rule about doubling on 10 and 11 only, on top of every possible bad rule already, is kind of egregious?
Seems like a pretty common game in Reno...
Actually, they ADVERTISE that at Grand Sierra Resort (Signage saying "We allow doubling on 10 AND 11!"
Shit, I remember playing a $1 game at Fitz in Reno (on wednesday only) that had 1Deck/S17/DAS/Double-any...ahh the good ole days...
Quote: TiltpoulNot that I'm looking for that table, but where is it located? It must be in the "Colosseum" Pit.
And I can't believe you've NEVER seen anybody double a hard 12 at a table. I see it happen quite a bit.
It was in the Pleasure Pit area. I don't go looking for player errors. Except for card counting purposes, I don't even look at other player's cards. So maybe it happens a lot but I just don't notice.
About Reno, yes, those are the typical rules in single deck! This was a six-deck game. That sign at the Grand Sierra reminds me of how the Casino Royale beckoned people inside with a continuous recording of a woman saying about their blackjack game, "You can even hit a soft 17!" As if other casinos don't allow that.
Quote: WizardIt was in the Pleasure Pit area.
Those are 6-5 tables on a six-deck game. And they were jam packed, even at 15 table mins.
Quote: TiltpoulThose are 6-5 tables on a six-deck game. And they were jam packed, even at 15 table mins.
You don't have to believe me, but the Current Blackjack Newsletter reports the same rules at Caesar's.
How do you know what all the Double/Split/Surrender
rules are at any given game ?
Do you have to ask ?
Usually, I don't see them listed anywhere at the table.
And I feel silly if I ask.
Quote: JohnnyQA general question:
How do you know what all the Double/Split/Surrender
rules are at any given game ?
Do you have to ask ?
Yes. I wish everybody would just post them, but they don't. For my blackjack survey I just have to ask the same questions over and over:
1. Can the player double after a split?
2. Can the player surrender?
3. Can the player re-split aces?
To me this is worrisome. It seems that a lot of casinos are getting stingier and stingier. That it's on a roll to get worse. Wasn't it at Bill's where every single table paid no more than 6-5? I usually prefer to play at the MGM casinos cuz they don't seem to be as bad as many of the other casinos.Quote: WizardI was on the Strip today, in part to update my blackjack survey. I was surprised to learn of of the following game at Caesar's Palace:
6 decks
Dealer hits soft 17
No double after split
No surrender
No re-splitting aces
And, get this, double on 10 and 11 only
Granted, it isn't as bad as 6-5. Is it just me or does anyone else think that adding the rule about doubling on 10 and 11 only, on top of every possible bad rule already, is kind of egregious?
And btw, what was the minimum on this table you're talking about?
Why would anyone double a hard 12? I'm assuming this is a card counting tactic?Quote: TiltpoulAnd I can't believe you've NEVER seen anybody double a hard 12 at a table. I see it happen quite a bit.
Quote: HotBlonde
Why would anyone double a hard 12? I'm assuming this is a card counting tactic?
It is either an I'm too stupid tactic or I'm too drunk tactic.
Quote: WizardI've never once seen anyone double are hard 12 or more in a casino. In live home games I've seen it. Fortunately, I was dealing at the time.
While the effect for the basic strategy player adds 0.18% to the house edge, in reality I think it adds much less. Some players do correctly double on 9, but only stone cold basic strategy players seem to know, or practice, the soft doubles.
Was standard play in Colorado for 20 years when Max bet was $5. Only way to get more action. And of course the infamous Colorado Split. Especially infuriating when 3rd base split 10's. The last 10 years DD hard 12 and split 10's diminished slightly
with introduction of Streak side bet. On my last visit to Blackhawk/ Central City, there was only 1 Streak table left due to limits now being $100. But Fortune Valley, formerly Harvey's, soon to be Hard Rock, still has Harvey's original, one and only, Wheel Of
Madness. LOL Colorado is strange, WIZ. Remember Let it Ride 10 years ago at the Isle where a side bet reduced the HE ???
Quote: WizardI was on the Strip today, in part to update my blackjack survey. I was surprised to learn of of the following game at Caesar's Palace:
6 decks
Dealer hits soft 17
No double after split
No surrender
No re-splitting aces
And, get this, double on 10 and 11 only
Granted, it isn't as bad as 6-5. Is it just me or does anyone else think that adding the rule about doubling on 10 and 11 only, on top of every possible bad rule already, is kind of egregious?
I have a picture from the Pleasure Pit at Caesars. It is 6:5 on the BJ with all the rules you posted. I'm not sure how to load the picture up here, if anybody can help me...
The rules are the same for the poolside BJ as well.
