Binions offering $1 blackjack
Quote: BeardgoatJust read online that Binions is doing "throwback Thursdays" or something to that effect offering $1 blackjack from noon - midnight. Think this is good for business?
$1 bj signifies the beginngng of the end for most casinos.
The entertainment value of the reactions when you split tens or double down on a BJ is huge.
3 should be lowest and BJ should pay 3/2
Being a low roller, I would rather play 3 min with 3/2 then 1 min and 6/5
Quote: GreasyjohnI'm positive there's no ante and that it's a 6:5 game. Well, pretty sure anyway.
At $1, I highly doubt it's 6:5, either even money or 5:4, or 3:2.
Quote: DJTeddyBearI used to play the $1 (no .25 ante) tables at Sahara.
The entertainment value of the reactions when you split tens or double down on a BJ is huge.
If I was playing $1 a hand i would probably be tempted to deviate from basic strategy and split 10's etc...
Serious questions though. Say you wanted to try counting and decided to go spread $1-$10 based on the count. A.) is it a good idea to practice at a table like this. B.) think you'd get any heat at all your spreading 10 units? Part of me wants to be backed off just once in my life just for the experience and to share a laugh with family
Quote: djatc$1 bj signifies the beginngng of the end for most casinos.
They just offer it at one table. So a max of 6 people can play, but 50 show up. It's like that casino on the strip that offers 20X free odds (used to be 100X). They offer it at one table, and every other table game in the casino has terrible odds.
It's just a loss leader. It doesn't mean that Binion's is going down the tubes.
Quote: BozAnd who exactly wants to deal with the other players at a $1 table?
This man is asking the right questions. It brings in people with $50 bankrolls that drink a few dollars of alcohol per hour. I used to be one of them, but I wouldn't want to gamble with that version of me.
Quote: pacomartinThey just offer it at one table. So a max of 6 people can play, but 50 show up. It's like that casino on the strip that offers 20X free odds (used to be 100X).
Casino Royale 100x is back at $5 min. I believe they still lack any 3:2 blackjack.
Quote: BeardgoatIf I was playing $1 a hand i would probably be tempted to deviate from basic strategy and split 10's etc...
Serious questions though. Say you wanted to try counting and decided to go spread $1-$10 based on the count. A.) is it a good idea to practice at a table like this. B.) think you'd get any heat at all your spreading 10 units? Part of me wants to be backed off just once in my life just for the experience and to share a laugh with family
Go to el cortez and play their single deck game, and spread min to whatever max you can afford. (preferably table max)
Quote: pewI just saw a sign announcing $1 blackjack at Foxwoods of all places. My how times have changed! I immediately thought even money.
It started Christmas Day. I've posted about it a few times. Bottom line is the 25 cent ante.
Quote: terapinedI think 1 dollar BJ is absurd and I am a low roller.
3 should be lowest and BJ should pay 3/2...
Shouldn't the lowest be $2 then? ;)
I recall on one of my first trips ever to Vegas being downtown and playing $1 blackjack at what I believe was the Golden Gate (may or may not be miss-remembering). The table limit was $1-$100, so maybe they'll do that? I do have to agree that I think the 6:5 will unfortunately be the result of this $1 table =/.
Quote: BeardgoatIf I was playing $1 a hand i would probably be tempted to deviate from basic strategy and split 10's etc...
Serious questions though. Say you wanted to try counting and decided to go spread $1-$10 based on the count. A.) is it a good idea to practice at a table like this. B.) think you'd get any heat at all your spreading 10 units? Part of me wants to be backed off just once in my life just for the experience and to share a laugh with family
Well I guess it would be ok practice. But the table will be soooooo full of drunks and grandmas that the game moves at a snails pace, and the table will all most always be full. So even if you got into a good count, it wouldn't last long. The comic value of the table might be worth checking out for 5 minutes....maybe. I can't even stand a $5 table the ploppies are so thick. I have a couple BJ novice buddies and they are always wanting to play these kinds of tables. With their $60 buy-ins and such. It makes my head hurt to be there.
I doubt you could get backed off at a $1 table but it would be a funny story if you did.
Not that it matters much...but I would imagine BJ pays either even money or 3:2. It's too hard to pay 6:5 at a one dollar table...You'd have to keep dimes in the tray. Don't see it happening.
Quote: BeardgoatIf I was playing $1 a hand i would probably be tempted to deviate from basic strategy and split 10's etc...
Serious questions though. Say you wanted to try counting and decided to go spread $1-$10 based on the count. A.) is it a good idea to practice at a table like this. B.) think you'd get any heat at all your spreading 10 units? Part of me wants to be backed off just once in my life just for the experience and to share a laugh with family
Quote: sc15Go to el cortez and play their single deck game, and spread min to whatever max you can afford. (preferably table max)
This... lol. I got flat bet at cortez after playing for a bit ($5-$40) then upping my spread just a bit more (they were already sweating me) to see what I could get away with.
The $1 table would be excellent practice. Not only could you practice counting with presumably a LOT of distractions (like the old lady at first base flashing the dealer to try to get better cards), but it would teach you a very valuable lesson about hands per hour, playing at a full table/lower limits, etc. Calculate your EV for the game, play for an hour, and record how many hands you actually got... Then recheck that EV. You'd make more money walking around Fremont Street looking for loose change on the ground =P.
Quote: vendman1...I doubt you could get backed off at a $1 table but it would be a funny story if you did.
Is that a challenge good sir? I do believe a $1-table max (presumably $100) spread is in order... If they still have this when we do the WoV Spring Fling we'll of course have someone get backed off from the $1 table for doing exactly this =D.
Quote: RomesThis... lol. I got flat bet at cortez after playing for a bit ($5-$40) then upping my spread just a bit more (they were already sweating me) to see what I could get away with.
The $1 table would be excellent practice. Not only could you practice counting with presumably a LOT of distractions (like the old lady at first base flashing the dealer to try to get better cards), but it would teach you a very valuable lesson about hands per hour, playing at a full table/lower limits, etc. Calculate your EV for the game, play for an hour, and record how many hands you actually got... Then recheck that EV. You'd make more money walking around Fremont Street looking for loose change on the ground =P.
Is that a challenge good sir? I do believe a $1-table max (presumably $100) spread is in order... If they still have this when we do the WoV Spring Fling we'll of course have someone get backed off from the $1 table for doing exactly this =D.
I would love to see it :)
Quote: pewIt's amazing how things have gone downhill over the years. I could never afford to go there before the Obama recession and competition changed things so radically. They must be having a heck of a time keeping up with the tribal members stipends.
The stipends, which were six figures, have been discontinued for some time.
Quote: 1BBThe stipends, which were six figures, have been discontinued for some time.
What stipends are you two talking about?
Quote: terapinedI would rather play 3 min with 3/2 then 1 min and 6/5
Me too.
However, I'd consider a $1 1:1 game where player blackjack always wins. 3:2 would be better, but... it's a $1 table.
I have had a lot of fun at $3 tables in the hinterlands. I've also gotten incredibly pissed off at $3 tables in the hinterlands.
Quote: waasnodayWhat stipends are you two talking about?
For years all Mashantucket Tribal members were paid $100,000 a year and up just for being tribal members. They didn't have to do a thing except sit back and collect. All that has changed. This is the tribe that runs Foxwoods. Boohoo.
Quote: vendman1I would love to see it :)
lol we should do a "last longer" bet at the Spring Fling... Everyone must bet $1 at anything under TC +2 (assuming non 6:5 game) and either table max ($100?) or some other agreed number ($50?) at any TC >= +3. Based off of our 'acts' we should see who lasts the longest LOL.
Quote: Romeslol we should do a "last longer" bet at the Spring Fling... Everyone must bet $1 at anything under TC +2 (assuming non 6:5 game) and either table max ($100?) or some other agreed number ($50?) at any TC >= +3. Based off of our 'acts' we should see who lasts the longest LOL.
That would be hilarious. I can't make the spring fling sadly...so I will have to hear about it from the lucky attendees. I set the over under at 45 min.
Quote: vendman1Well I guess it would be ok practice. But the table will be soooooo full of drunks and grandmas that the game moves at a snails pace, and the table will all most always be full. So even if you got into a good count, it wouldn't last long. The comic value of the table might be worth checking out for 5 minutes....maybe. I can't even stand a $5 table the ploppies are so thick. I have a couple BJ novice buddies and they are always wanting to play these kinds of tables. With their $60 buy-ins and such. It makes my head hurt to be there.
I doubt you could get backed off at a $1 table but it would be a funny story if you did.
Not that it matters much...but I would imagine BJ pays either even money or 3:2. It's too hard to pay 6:5 at a one dollar table...You'd have to keep dimes in the tray. Don't see it happening.
How about this snail's pace? A $2 minimum table with seven spots. Three back line bets allowed on each spot. Super 7s side bet. Tables full with players waiting for seats. That's 35 bets each round. Foxwoods had these tables in their early days.
Quote: vendman1Well I guess it would be ok practice. But the table will be soooooo full of drunks and grandmas that the game moves at a snails pace, and the table will all most always be full. So even if you got into a good count, it wouldn't last long. The comic value of the table might be worth checking out for 5 minutes....maybe. I can't even stand a $5 table the ploppies are so thick. I have a couple BJ novice buddies and they are always wanting to play these kinds of tables. With their $60 buy-ins and such. It makes my head hurt to be there.
I doubt you could get backed off at a $1 table but it would be a funny story if you did.
Not that it matters much...but I would imagine BJ pays either even money or 3:2. It's too hard to pay 6:5 at a one dollar table...You'd have to keep dimes in the tray. Don't see it happening.
You're right. I hadn't considered that with a $1 bet they would have to pay even money (or 3:2, which I doubt they do). Probably even money on bets less than $3 or $5.
perhaps for most casinos. We know better here though, its Binions and the beginning of the end started long ago. Looks like perhaps the end of the end.Quote: djatc$1 bj signifies the beginngng of the end for most casinos.
Quote: 1BBFor years all Mashantucket Tribal members were paid $100,000 a year and up just for being tribal members. They didn't have to do a thing except sit back and collect. All that has changed. This is the tribe that runs Foxwoods. Boohoo.
Ahh that explains it, I didn't realize the Mashantucket owned more than Foxwoods. Yah they pretty much screwed themselves on loans in order to open and expand. Economy went into a spin and now all those loans came back to haunt them. I was happy when my tribe paid off the major loan on our casino this last FY. Big lump of cash to the bank but saved a lot by not having to pay back the loan with the accrued interest. We have never gotten anything close to six figures from the profit sharing but then we are a lot smaller. Most of the revenue our casino generates goes back into running the tribal government, providing education to our children and services to our elders.
4 Queens has excellent video poker, Binions doesn't
Binions has a poker room, 4 Queens no poker
Binions has sexy party pit dealers, 4 Queens doesn't.
Binions hotel closed, 4 Queens open.
Binions 1dollar BJ, 4 Queens 5 min.
They use different player cards.
I was also able to eat at both places and buy a bunch of cigars in December of 2013 and get my entire receipt back in Free Play! Better than comps! Nobody would comp someone at my action level all this stuff!
Quote: 1BBFor years all Mashantucket Tribal members were paid $100,000 a year and up just for being tribal members. They didn't have to do a thing except sit back and collect. All that has changed. This is the tribe that runs Foxwoods. Boohoo.
I don't want to hijack this thread, but I would love to see a thread discussing the rise of what in now recognized as the Pequot Indian Nation. Lol. It is my understanding few of the people currently recognized have much native American blood in them. Their claim was recognized as part of a federal lawsuit settlement by the Reagan Administration. The terms were that there was supposed to be documentation linking the current claimants to a known member of the tribe from the 1900 census, but none of the documentation was challenged and all claims were accepted or approved (again as part of a major lawsuit settlement).
Quote: 1BBHow about this snail's pace? A $2 minimum table with seven spots. Three back line bets allowed on each spot. Super 7s side bet. Tables full with players waiting for seats. That's 35 bets each round. Foxwoods had these tables in their early days.
They allowed back-betting? I haven't seen (or heard of) that inside the US.
Quote: GreasyjohnYou're right. I hadn't considered that with a $1 bet they would have to pay even money (or 3:2, which I doubt they do). Probably even money on bets less than $3 or $5.
Yeah, a local casino around here started offering a $1 table, but instead of collecting an ante they just paid even money on BJs if you bet less than $3 or $5 (don't remember). Less coins to deal with.
Quote: kewljI don't want to hijack this thread, but I would love to see a thread discussing the rise of what in now recognized as the Pequot Indian Nation. Lol. It is my understanding few of the people currently recognized have much native American blood in them. Their claim was recognized as part of a federal lawsuit settlement by the Reagan Administration. The terms were that there was supposed to be documentation linking the current claimants to a known member of the tribe from the 1900 census, but none of the documentation was challenged and all claims were accepted or approved (again as part of a major lawsuit settlement).
Read "Without Reservation" by Jeff Benedict and "Revenge of the Pequots" by Kim Isaac Eisler.
Quote: AcesAndEightsThey allowed back-betting? I haven't seen (or heard of) that inside the US.
For many years and it was exploitable.
Quote: PokeraddictWhen I asked about the game I was told that there are 2 tables of this on Thursdays. It is single deck 3-2 D1011 H17 NDAS. That answer made sense as Binion's has just two SD tables and they have those same rules. The min is usually $10. They are the only 3-2 games left at Binion's.
I've played those games at Binion's before when the min was $25--same game as they have at 4 Queens (with a $10 min if I'm not mistaken). But a lot of the time they aren't open at Binion's. But they're always open at 4 Queens.
Quote: DJTeddyBearI used to play the $1 (no .25 ante) tables at Sahara.
The entertainment value of the reactions when you split tens or double down on a BJ is huge.
Try hitting on 17! People actually left the table when I did that there. As though it affected their odds.
Quote: RomesIs that a challenge good sir? I do believe a $1-table max (presumably $100) spread is in order... If they still have this when we do the WoV Spring Fling we'll of course have someone get backed off from the $1 table for doing exactly this =D.
Years ago the Wizard and I made a bet to see which of us could get backed off first for counting at the (now-defunct) Gold Spike. The table limits were $5 to $50. I put on a much better show, but neither one of us could get booted! I was pointing to each card and counting them out loud, I bet only $5 or $50 with nothing in between, I'd yell out "Checks Play!" twice as loud as the dealer on my maximum bets, I played standing up, with my hair frizzed out to maximum, and wearing the loudest tie-dye shirt I could find, and when the dealer showed a six and then turned over a five, I grabbed my head and shouted out, "Oh no! There's a $hi†load of tens left!"
But nothing. We finally gave up and left.
Quote: MichaelBluejayTry hitting on 17! People actually left the table when I did that there. As though it affected their odds.
Years ago the Wizard and I made a bet to see which of us could get backed off first for counting at the (now-defunct) Gold Spike. The table limits were $5 to $50. I put on a much better show, but neither one of us could get booted! I was pointing to each card and counting them out loud, I bet only $5 or $50 with nothing in between, I'd yell out "Checks Play!" twice as loud as the dealer on my maximum bets, I played standing up, with my hair frizzed out to maximum, and wearing the loudest tie-dye shirt I could find, and when the dealer showed a six and then turned over a five, I grabbed my head and shouted out, "Oh no! There's a $hi†load of tens left!"
But nothing. We finally gave up and left.
Acting so ridiculous probably made them not bother looking into you.
Exactly. But if you walked in and looked like a typical card counter they probably would have backed you off at first hint.Quote: MichaelBluejayTry hitting on 17! People actually left the table when I did that there. As though it affected their odds.
Years ago the Wizard and I made a bet to see which of us could get backed off first for counting at the (now-defunct) Gold Spike. The table limits were $5 to $50. I put on a much better show, but neither one of us could get booted! I was pointing to each card and counting them out loud, I bet only $5 or $50 with nothing in between, I'd yell out "Checks Play!" twice as loud as the dealer on my maximum bets, I played standing up, with my hair frizzed out to maximum, and wearing the loudest tie-dye shirt I could find, and when the dealer showed a six and then turned over a five, I grabbed my head and shouted out, "Oh no! There's a $hi†load of tens left!"
But nothing. We finally gave up and left.
Sometimes people are way to serious looking, parinod and worried when they count card's. They look so obvious trying not to be obvious that it freaks the casino out. Some people can't change this about themselves no matter how hard they try.
Second, while I acted crazy, the Wizard certainly acted like a typical card counter, but he couldn't get bounced either.
It really boils down to the fact that the Gold Spike was a low roller joint, nobody would bother to count a $50 table max game, and the poorly-paid supervisors weren't competent to catch counters, because they likely couldn't count themselves. I seriously doubt the Gold Spike threw down the money to actually staff an eye in the sky.
Quote: waasnodayAhh that explains it, I didn't realize the Mashantucket owned more than Foxwoods. Yah they pretty much screwed themselves on loans in order to open and expand. Economy went into a spin and now all those loans came back to haunt them. I was happy when my tribe paid off the major loan on our casino this last FY. Big lump of cash to the bank but saved a lot by not having to pay back the loan with the accrued interest. We have never gotten anything close to six figures from the profit sharing but then we are a lot smaller. Most of the revenue our casino generates goes back into running the tribal government, providing education to our children and services to our elders.
Not to be a patronizing old white woman or anything, but that's exactly how it was supposed to work. Glad to hear there's at least one place where it does. If you were to PM me (or put it in this thread, up to you) the location, I'd make sure to visit your casino some time.
Quote: 1BBIt started Christmas Day. I've posted about it a few times. Bottom line is the 25 cent ante.
Ouch. What's the house edge on that-10%?
Quote: bobsimsOuch. What's the house edge on that-10%?
It drops as you bet more but, yes, it's up there. Wagering $1.25 to win $1 has got to have the highest edge. The thing is, the ante is waived for bets $10 and higher. I mentioned in another post that I saw a guy playing two hands at $5 each. I had to pinch myself to keep quiet.
Quote: 1BBFor many years and it was exploitable.
Nice.
Quote: mcallister3200Back betting still exists in the US.
Yes, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. I have not seen it, but I have not explored even a tiny fraction of all the casinos in the US. But when I briefly played some BJ in Europe (specifically Vienna, Austria), back-betting was allowed, encouraged, and ubiquitous.
Quote: AxelWolfSometimes people are way to serious looking, parinod and worried when they count card's. They look so obvious trying not to be obvious that it freaks the casino out. Some people can't change this about themselves no matter how hard they try.
I resemble that remark :/
