My $200 Vegas Hooker
Quote: GreasyjohnI had never heard of the bartender getting a kickback before I saw it in this thread. Had I known that it might have been different.
Yeah, me neither, but she chose a high risk business and I think that what happened is just part of the risk. I doubt she's thought much about it since.
So you don't think there's a hookers forum where she has posted her own version of this story?Quote: MoscaYeah, me neither, but she chose a high risk business and I think that what happened is just part of the risk. I doubt she's thought much about it since.
Of course, the Internet has multiple forums dealing with the field. Don't be shy. Here are a couple of starters: http://www.forumjar.com/forums/Prostitution and http://able2know.org/forum/prostitution/ . For a more objective and nuanced perspective, check out http://www.businesspundit.com/americas-most-notorious-pimps-and-madams/ .Quote: AxelWolfSo you don't think there's a hookers forum where she has posted her own version of this story?
Quote: GreasyjohnA lot of you that have posted in this thread feel that I stiffed or should have paid the working girl.
I don’t share this view, and all I can do is express my opinion honestly.
It isn't that you 'owe' her anything, G-John. Of course legally you don't. But this is a unique business model, where time is money. Most girls can determine within a few seconds your level of interest and will move on to someone else if there is no interest.
If you choose to waste their time for the fun of it, you are costing them money. Money that they use to support themselves and sometime family and children with. You may even cost them a beating as their pimp might just kick in their teeth for not making enough money. So it's not all fun and games to them. :/
Furthermore, because it is an illegal enterprise, things are handled differently. A girl or her pimp that feels slighted, has no recourse other than to take matters into their own hands. And being that she knew where you were staying, where you parked, you are lucky your actions didn't cost you more than $20 in the form of broken windows, or legs or worse.
I mean it isn't as though you wasted a few minutes of her time at the bar with no real intent to take her up on her services, you actually lead her around to your room, put her in your car and drove a number of miles, before you changed your mind, chickened out or technically, re-neged on the agreement, even if it was an unspoken agreement. You should have paid her 20 bucks. That would have been the honorable thing and frankly that would have been a bargain.
Quote: GreasyjohnI had never heard of the bartender getting a kickback before I saw it in this thread. Had I known that it might have been different.
At the legal brothels, the Madam checks to see what ride the john showed up in. If the john arrives by taxi, the taxi driver gets a vig.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-28/california-democrat-predicts-surge-hookers-blames-global-warming#comments
Quote: kewljIt isn't that you 'owe' her anything, G-John. Of course legally you don't. But this is a unique business model, where time is money. Most girls can determine within a few seconds your level of interest and will move on to someone else if there is no interest.
If you choose to waste their time for the fun of it, you are costing them money. Money that they use to support themselves and sometime family and children with. You may even cost them a beating as their pimp might just kick in their teeth for not making enough money. So it's not all fun and games to them. :/
Furthermore, because it is an illegal enterprise, things are handled differently. A girl or her pimp that feels slighted, has no recourse other than to take matters into their own hands. And being that she knew where you were staying, where you parked, you are lucky your actions didn't cost you more than $20 in the form of broken windows, or legs or worse.
I mean it isn't as though you wasted a few minutes of her time at the bar with no real intent to take her up on her services, you actually lead her around to your room, put her in your car and drove a number of miles, before you changed your mind, chickened out or technically, re-neged on the agreement, even if it was an unspoken agreement. You should have paid her 20 bucks. That would have been the honorable thing and frankly that would have been a bargain.
Kewlj,
In answer to your post:
You say, "If you choose to waste their time for the fun of it, you are costing them money."
This does not characterize what happened. I hope I would never have that type of attitude regarding someone else's time. I don’t toy with people.
Where you said, "you actually lead her around to your room, put her in your car and drove a number of miles, before you changed your mind, chickened out or technically, re-neged on the agreement, even if it was an unspoken agreement. You should have paid her 20 bucks. That would have been the honorable thing and frankly that would have been a bargain."
In my modified OP I said,
“She brought up just going out and having fun and having some drinks at a bar somewhere. Not a hint about sex for money or a charge for her time.”
I went on to say,
“As we walked to the rear entrance to Casino Royale she ask me to give her $20. I didn't make the effort. At no time during our encounter did I even touch her. She said, "Come on, you know how this works." But the way it works for me is that she made me an offer for her charms at a certain price, and I declined the offer. There was no agreement that just spending time with her would cost me a certain amount. That may be the way it works in her world, but not in mine. If at any time during our encounter she felt she was wasting her time she could have gone on her way. I feel in no way obligated to help her make that decision.”
I go on to say,
“It just felt off to give her $20 for this experience. Our encounter all boiled down to grab the twenty and go. If the whole thing seems less attractive to her because she doesn't have my $20 then maybe that's as it should be. A part of me wanted our time together, for whatever value it had, to be real; about two people brought because of a natural, normal attraction, not a meeting the main purpose of which was to extract money. By not giving her money it wasn't about the money. But don't get me wrong. If we had an agreement that cash would be exchanged I would have paid her without hesitation. And really, she pursued me. I would not have sought her out after I said goodbye at the bar.”
To further clarify I wrote in another post:
“A lot of you that have posted in this thread feel that I stiffed or should have paid the working girl. I don’t share this view, and all I can do is express my opinion honestly.
I have added about 20% more content to my OP, and some of it explains why I feel the way I do. I probably won’t change any minds but it’s there for you to read.
A few of you brought up how my wasting or taking up her time and carrying on a conversation implied that I owed her something. Like there’s some unwritten law that says if you ogle a working girl, enjoy the view, let your imagination go, talk with her, that she can just blurt out a figure that a guy is obligated to pay. Again I don’t share this sentiment. It’s up to her to manage her time, not me.
Hers is not a protected occupation that I have to conform to. I live in the real world and am free to talk to whomever I like. In the real world an insurance agent might take an hour or two to prepare an auto and homeowner’s quote. You don’t owe that agent a dime if you do not buy his product. In the real world a woman has the right to go on a nice dinner date with a gentleman and not feel obligated to have sex with him.
It is not me that has to bend to the unilateral request for an arbitrary sum from a prostitute because she chose to be in my company. It is not me that needs to conform to the unwritten dictates of the world of vice.”
I said in another post:
“In the whole conversation that I had with her before we headed out, she made it sound like she just liked my company and wanted to go out for drinks. My mind just clung on to that theme. I honestly thought at the time that paying her was not part of anything. In fact, I didn't even think of that possibility. You can say that I should have know better--should have known by her profession that her wanting to go out implied more than just two people having fun together. And yes, by the time we were in the car I was seeing the light. But really, she's the one that should not leave it ambiguous. She could have said after I said, "Let's go" that she liked me but it was going to cost me $200. Had she just made that simple and clear statement it would have saved her an extra 1/2 hour of her time. It's her obligation to make it clear, not mine. And the time she spent with me in the car is where she made her pitch, which I declined. I don't owe her for the time it took her to try to gain my business.”
“Had she had a pimp and the whole encounter come down to his threatening me, Yes. It would certainly open my eyes to the violent and base world that I allowed myself to wander through.”
I know this post is lengthy, but I have stated my opinions in different places and I wanted to assimilate them here.
Of course, all of this is about more than just a payment to her. But what the working girl asked for was a small amount, and if I ever see her again I’ll give it to her.
I did go back and 'tried' to re-read your original post after you made additions and edits to it, it was difficult to do so. One wouldn't know what you changed or added without having an original copy and updated copy side by side. That was just a weird exercise on your part. You should have just updated your thoughts in a new post within the thread, so everyone would know what you were talking about.
Again, I am not judging and don't really care, but please cut the crap about where she asked you if you wanted to just go out and have a good time. Don't insult us with that crap. You are a smart guy. You know how that business works. There are certain code words like "date", "fun", "looking for company". She expected to be paid for her time and services. If you are really to "Gomer Pyle" to see that, well that's on you. :)
Quote: kewljLook, I am not judging you G-John. That's not my style. You don't have to answer to me. If you are comfortable with your action, that is all that really matters. :)
I did go back and 'tried' to re-read your original post after you made additions and edits to it, it was difficult to do so. One wouldn't know what you changed or added without having an original copy and updated copy side by side. That was just a weird exercise on your part. You should have just updated your thoughts in a new post within the thread, so everyone would know what you were talking about.
Again, I am not judging and don't really care, but please cut the crap about where she asked you if you wanted to just go out and have a good time. Don't insult us with that crap. You are a smart guy. You know how that business works. There are certain code words like "date", "fun", "looking for company". She expected to be paid for her time and services. If you are really to "Gomer Pyle" to see that, well that's on you. :)
Kewlj,
Granted, you weren't there. You didn't experience the whole encounter, mood or conversation, so you have limited information upon which you've drawn your conclusions.
After I said goodbye to her at the bar that confirms that I wasn't interested in her services. That she sought me out later on a purely friendly basis isn't an absurd conclusion. I mean, come on, how many working girls continue to seek out a guy that already indicated that he wasn't interested in her services?
As I said, all she had to say after I agreed to go have some fun and some drinks at a bar somewhere was, "I like you, but it will cost you $200 for the evening" and she could have saved herself a half hour of her time.
Before a working girl goes off with a john she should establish the price. That is so basic; if there was not agreement on the price the girl would be wasting her time. Hooker 101. Since she didn't mention a price that just reinforced my being in the dark and thinking that our evening was just two people having some fun and some drinks in a bar together. Hookers have to have some kind of personal life outside of hooking, right?
Once I got to the car I was having doubts about all this, yes. But I'm not responsible for it getting to that point. She then gave her pitch and I declined. I don't owe her for the time it took her to try to gain my business. Does her time have value but not mine?
So you came to two possible conclusions: One, I am a smart guy and I should cut the crap about saying that I thought our evening together was just too people going out for some fun and drinks. Or two, if I did believe that, then I'm a dim bulb.
I think that based on how it happened it was reasonable for me to have thought that our going out together was off the books, and that your conclusions are not circumspect.
All I can say is, you weren't there, I was. And I didn't just fall off the turnip truck, so maybe you should give me the benefit of the doubt.
Quote: FacePaying for it is like starting at the finish line pretending you've put in the miles.
Well said.
Quote: GreasyjohnWell said.
Are you nuts?
Great sex, paid or not, is winning the race.
That's as brilliant as saying if you pay to have a great meal you're cheating. Don't understand that mentality at all. Over the decades by far the best fellatio I've experienced has been paid. You're missing out on a good thing.
Quote: bobsimsGreat sex, paid or not, is winning the race.
Really?
Not always.
Consider how a rapist views it.
Did he "win the race" by enjoying raping his victim?
Or what about the more cliched/prosaic example of somebody who just cheated on their spouse for the first time?
Was it really worth it?
One's conscience (or lack thereof) often influences how we judge the events of our lives.
Quote: bobsimsWinning the race.
You guys aren't even in the race. My money's on the Easter Bunny!
Quote: bobsimsAre you nuts?
Great sex, paid or not, is winning the race.
That's as brilliant as saying if you pay to have a great meal you're cheating. Don't understand that mentality at all. Over the decades by far the best fellatio I've experienced has been paid. You're missing out on a good thing.
The difference to me between receiving fellatio from a "happy hooker" and a dutiful housewife is the difference between life enhancing erotic fantasy and necrophilia. just sayin
Each to their own. In many cases it is also far cheaper to pay for all sex and eat every meal out then it is to pay alimony and property settlement, etc. That's a fact.
For f*** sakes people, be happy. Most marriages are a fraud, at least on one persons part.
Free sex? Now there is an oxymoron. The only free sex is masturbation, and I'm willing to wager that when most guys do so, they are not fantasizing about their wives. Now that there, is also a form of "cheating".
He won the race in a Lance Armstrong sort of way, he did until he didn't.Quote: MrVDid he "win the race" by enjoying raping his victim?
Rape isn't about sex, often sex isn't about sex.
Quote: petroglyphMost marriages are a fraud, at least on one persons part.
"Most?"
What is the basis for your assertion?
Are you saying that in most marriages, at least one of the partners entered into it with fraudulent intent?
Or simply that they fell out of love?
Marriage is a valued institution worldwide, and for good reason.
Not only does it legitmize offspring, it gives people a sense of security, a sense of place, a sense of meaning to their life.
Most, is arguable. Fifty percent of 1st marriages and 60% of second end in divorce. And I assert of the marriages that don't end, the reason they don't end, is not always "love". http://divorce.usu.edu/files/uploads/Lesson3.pdf [random choice of links]Quote: MrV"Most?"What is the basis for your assertion?
We both realize if this discussion goes to legalease, that you will thoroughly beat me about the head, so my opinions are just that. Fraudulent intent? Ignorance, naivete, misunderstanding, marriage for financial gain, or other reasons other than the spoken words at the ceremony? Then yes, that is what I think. Dissect those vows word by word, under a microscope and I don't believe that is what the partners are thinking. They both are swearing to uphold their vows, but they don't agree on what the vows mean. I will have to lean on your experience to tell me if that is an intent to commit fraud, fraudulent or something else entirely?Quote:Are you saying that in most marriages, at least one of the partners entered into it with fraudulent intent?
Men and women get married for different reasons. Generally. Pick a time in history. Marriage was different, and "I do" meant different things in each century. Men want sex, food and a warm place to sleep. Women want protection, and a nest provided for their offspring, and power. However the words at the ceremony are rearranged, everyone is trying to improve their personal position in their own life, and I will add, a little bit selfishly. Realized or not, it is simple, but again, not the words used at the marriage, so I call it "fraudulent".
I want to be clear, I am happily married, and grateful. But I also believe it is do to luck on my part. Very few that meet us both fail to point that out to me. But that does not mean that I will turn it down.
What is love MrV? Have the participants agreed on the meaning of the word so that they can agree on the terms of the marriage? If two people [or more] are agreeing to different meanings, and both using the same word [love] how can the whole ceremony not be fraudulent?Quote:Or simply that they fell out of love?
Follow the moneyQuote:Marriage is a valued institution worldwide, and for good reason.
The thinking of our day, about children being legitimate is outdated. Are not many who are married still insecure? Marriage isn't what it was in our parents day, or even maybe ours. I would think in your occupation you would see almost every day, people getting married for economic reasons, or control, or benefits, and not "love".Quote:Not only does it legitmize offspring, it gives people a sense of security, a sense of place, a sense of meaning to their life.
How long is your longest marriage MrV?
Marriage is not to be taken lightly: it's a partnership with sex as its cement.
I do not believe that many marriages are based on fraud right out of the gate; oh sure, some people marry just to get away from / out of a bad situation, but most marriages are based on mutual attraction.
The problem comes when the ardor begins to cool, and what was once interesting becomes as familiar as a wristwatch.
There is still pressure to marry to legitimize offspring; alas and alack, half of newborns are bastards; oh well, we make the world we want, I suppose.
I'm on marriage number two: with her since '88.
Congratulations, that is nearly a record anymore.Quote: MrVI'm on marriage number two: with her since '88.
I made it 24 years 5 months and 21 days the first time, but who's counting?
Been in marital bliss now since '04.
Quote: petroglyphI made it 24 years 5 months and 21 days the first time, but who's counting?
Been in marital bliss now since '04.
About 15 years ago, I made a quip to my brother as he was going through a divorce, forgetting that his daughter was in the car with us at the time. Later, he told me he had almost bitten his tongue off stifling his laughter.
The quip was an alleged quote from a guy saying, "I never knew just how happy a man could be until I got married. Then, of course, it was too late."
Oh, and I have only been married once myself -- 46 years and 8 months, if she can keep putting up with me through this Friday.
Quote: bobsimsAre you nuts?
Great sex, paid or not, is winning the race.
That's as brilliant as saying if you pay to have a great meal you're cheating. Don't understand that mentality at all. Over the decades by far the best fellatio I've experienced has been paid. You're missing out on a good thing.
bobsims,
I responded "Well said" to only one sentence of Face's post. If you'd haven't seen his post it is the second response to my OP on page one of this thread. It's a good read.
Paying for a great meal and paying for sex don't compare in any way. You and I probably wouldn't agree on many things. But that's okay. If we ever share a lifeboat together lost at sea, and I don't catch you stealing the water, then you're okay with me.
Quote: kewljIt isn't that you 'owe' her anything, G-John. Of course legally you don't. But this is a unique business model, where time is money. Most girls can determine within a few seconds your level of interest and will move on to someone else if there is no interest.
If you choose to waste their time for the fun of it, you are costing them money. Money that they use to support themselves and sometime family and children with. You may even cost them a beating as their pimp might just kick in their teeth for not making enough money. So it's not all fun and games to them. :/
Furthermore, because it is an illegal enterprise, things are handled differently. A girl or her pimp that feels slighted, has no recourse other than to take matters into their own hands. And being that she knew where you were staying, where you parked, you are lucky your actions didn't cost you more than $20 in the form of broken windows, or legs or worse.
I mean it isn't as though you wasted a few minutes of her time at the bar with no real intent to take her up on her services, you actually lead her around to your room, put her in your car and drove a number of miles, before you changed your mind, chickened out or technically, re-neged on the agreement, even if it was an unspoken agreement. You should have paid her 20 bucks. That would have been the honorable thing and frankly that would have been a bargain.
Best post in this entire thread, good job, kewlj.
I really enjoy your posts on the forums, GJ, but this one just makes me sad for the sex worker who lost an evening of wages on hopes that you'd being a paying customer. Claiming that that couldn't possibly be the case because you never actually negotiated for services is, well, disingenuous. Just as customers fear the getting-beat-by-a-pimp/robbed-by-a-sex-worker scenario, sex workers fear arrest, robbery, rape, and violence. Therefore, as kewlj pointed out, negotiations must be delicate in these instances, and she interpreted your "Let's go" as an agreement to purchase her time/services. She further made that clear by propositioning you in the car, including discussing her fee, at which point you should have said outright that you were not a paying customer, just a guy out for an adventure. $20 was the very least you could have done, had you wanted to be a gentleman about the situation.
Quote: DocOh, and I have only been married once myself -- 46 years and 8 months, if she can keep putting up with me through this Friday.
Congrats on that. I've been married for about 1/2 that time.
Another quip I've heard is for someone to announce "I've been happily married for 7 years. So that's not bad considering I've been married for 23 years".
I doubt I'll ever be in this situation again. As I said, I'm not interested in being with a woman that I have to pay for. But if I am ever at some future time in a girl's company that is working I will make sure, in a pleasant way, to relay that I'm not interested and move along (and move along again if she seeks me out later). I won't engage her in conversation as I did. Unless I'm a potential customer there are too many possibilities for a bad outcome, as many have pointed out.
I was never out for an adventure at her expense. But I allowed my desire to enjoy her company to cloud the reality of the situation, that's for sure.
It's been pointed out that the honorable thing, the right thing, the gentlemanly thing to have done would have been to give her the small amount she asked for. I can't change the fact that my gut feeling at the time was not to do so, and for the reasons I've already tried to express. I certainly did not made a conscious decision to not do the right thing.
Quote: CrankyCupcakesBest post in this entire thread, good job, kewlj.
I really enjoy your posts on the forums, GJ, but this one just makes me sad for the sex worker who lost an evening of wages on hopes that you'd being a paying customer. Claiming that that couldn't possibly be the case because you never actually negotiated for services is, well, disingenuous. Just as customers fear the getting-beat-by-a-pimp/robbed-by-a-sex-worker scenario, sex workers fear arrest, robbery, rape, and violence. Therefore, as kewlj pointed out, negotiations must be delicate in these instances, and she interpreted your "Let's go" as an agreement to purchase her time/services. She further made that clear by propositioning you in the car, including discussing her fee, at which point you should have said outright that you were not a paying customer, just a guy out for an adventure. $20 was the very least you could have done, had you wanted to be a gentleman about the situation.
CrankyCupcakes,
I never used the excuse that I "never actually negotiated for services" as a way to waste her time. If you've read through my posts regarding how the whole encounter transpired and still feel that way I can only say that it was not my intention.
You're to worried about this. You didn't give a std ridden hooker $20, big friggin deal.Quote: GreasyjohnCrankyCupcakes,
I never used the excuse that I "never actually negotiated for services" as a way to waste her time. If you've read through my posts regarding how the whole encounter transpired and still feel that way I can only say that it was not my intention.
Yes she probably got a "where's my money bitch" pimp slap afterward, but that's only half you're fault.
Quote: GreasyjohnKewlj,
In answer to your post:
You say, "If you choose to waste their time for the fun of it, you are costing them money."
This does not characterize what happened. I hope I would never have that type of attitude regarding someone else's time. I don’t toy with people.
Where you said, "you actually lead her around to your room, put her in your car and drove a number of miles, before you changed your mind, chickened out or technically, re-neged on the agreement, even if it was an unspoken agreement. You should have paid her 20 bucks. That would have been the honorable thing and frankly that would have been a bargain."
In my modified OP I said,
“She brought up just going out and having fun and having some drinks at a bar somewhere. Not a hint about sex for money or a charge for her time.”
I went on to say,
“As we walked to the rear entrance to Casino Royale she ask me to give her $20. I didn't make the effort. At no time during our encounter did I even touch her. She said, "Come on, you know how this works." But the way it works for me is that she made me an offer for her charms at a certain price, and I declined the offer. There was no agreement that just spending time with her would cost me a certain amount. That may be the way it works in her world, but not in mine. If at any time during our encounter she felt she was wasting her time she could have gone on her way. I feel in no way obligated to help her make that decision.”
I go on to say,
“It just felt off to give her $20 for this experience. Our encounter all boiled down to grab the twenty and go. If the whole thing seems less attractive to her because she doesn't have my $20 then maybe that's as it should be. A part of me wanted our time together, for whatever value it had, to be real; about two people brought because of a natural, normal attraction, not a meeting the main purpose of which was to extract money. By not giving her money it wasn't about the money. But don't get me wrong. If we had an agreement that cash would be exchanged I would have paid her without hesitation. And really, she pursued me. I would not have sought her out after I said goodbye at the bar.”
To further clarify I wrote in another post:
“A lot of you that have posted in this thread feel that I stiffed or should have paid the working girl. I don’t share this view, and all I can do is express my opinion honestly.
I have added about 20% more content to my OP, and some of it explains why I feel the way I do. I probably won’t change any minds but it’s there for you to read.
A few of you brought up how my wasting or taking up her time and carrying on a conversation implied that I owed her something. Like there’s some unwritten law that says if you ogle a working girl, enjoy the view, let your imagination go, talk with her, that she can just blurt out a figure that a guy is obligated to pay. Again I don’t share this sentiment. It’s up to her to manage her time, not me.
Hers is not a protected occupation that I have to conform to. I live in the real world and am free to talk to whomever I like. In the real world an insurance agent might take an hour or two to prepare an auto and homeowner’s quote. You don’t owe that agent a dime if you do not buy his product. In the real world a woman has the right to go on a nice dinner date with a gentleman and not feel obligated to have sex with him.
It is not me that has to bend to the unilateral request for an arbitrary sum from a prostitute because she chose to be in my company. It is not me that needs to conform to the unwritten dictates of the world of vice.”
I said in another post:
“In the whole conversation that I had with her before we headed out, she made it sound like she just liked my company and wanted to go out for drinks. My mind just clung on to that theme. I honestly thought at the time that paying her was not part of anything. In fact, I didn't even think of that possibility. You can say that I should have know better--should have known by her profession that her wanting to go out implied more than just two people having fun together. And yes, by the time we were in the car I was seeing the light. But really, she's the one that should not leave it ambiguous. She could have said after I said, "Let's go" that she liked me but it was going to cost me $200. Had she just made that simple and clear statement it would have saved her an extra 1/2 hour of her time. It's her obligation to make it clear, not mine. And the time she spent with me in the car is where she made her pitch, which I declined. I don't owe her for the time it took her to try to gain my business.”
“Had she had a pimp and the whole encounter come down to his threatening me, Yes. It would certainly open my eyes to the violent and base world that I allowed myself to wander through.”
I know this post is lengthy, but I have stated my opinions in different places and I wanted to assimilate them here.
Of course, all of this is about more than just a payment to her. But what the working girl asked for was a small amount, and if I ever see her again I’ll give it to her.
Don't let the ladies over in the "flirting with dealers" thread read this - over there, they believe it is quite acceptable for women to flirt for money yet abhor men who flirt back as entertainment
anyone know of any trustworthy and honest hookers who hang out in the el cortez all the time? my first time here in a year, and weirdly enough, all the machines which emphatically state NO MULTIPLIERS on this machine were giving 2x points yesterday. no idea why or if they knew
Vegas hookers maximize their income by providing services only if they can't rob instead.
Ask any cab driver about a woman running toward his cab with $200 in her hand and a man wearing only his shorts in close pursuit. That is why cabs have those lock all doors buttons.
Male fantasies versus pimps and hookers with razors is not a good battle to risk being in.
I will say this though about hookers, at least it has confirmed the inability of a casino to trespass you without cause because I have heard stories of the same hooker being trespassed close to a hundred times at one casino. So much for fake bluff trespasses LOL. Why dont they just arrest her and get it over with? Could it be because they CANT without GOOD CAUSE?Once again, the king was right. But im just a crazy conspiracist, right?
Quote: ZenKinGDidnt read the whole OP, but I get confronted with hookers every time I go play downtown or on the strip. Basically its always the same questions that give them away but I can tell right off the bat if its a working girl or not. The same line of questioning always goes, "Hey baby, where you going". What I do now is just troll them because i can care less about having to pay for sex, especially with some dirty hooker. I just tell them, "Sorry, you cant handle me", which in all relaity is true and not really a troll. That pisses them off and has them saying, "I cant handle you? Try me!". "Then i just smirk and walk away. Last thing i need is a drone hooker. Quite sad what society has become. The IQ of these hookers must be in the single digits. You think these hookers know their Constitution?
I will say this though about hookers, at least it has confirmed the inability of a casino to trespass you without cause because I have heard stories of the same hooker being trespassed close to a hundred times at one casino. So much for fake bluff trespasses LOL. Why dont they just arrest her and get it over with? Could it be because they CANT without GOOD CAUSE?Once again, the king was right. But im just a crazy conspiracist, right?
Nope just a retired 30 YO with a net worth below the average college grad of your age, like it or not.
But money doesn’t matter, right?
Keep it coming, many of us are enjoying your misery. Just imagining the future “King” in his little Jordan jersey is priceless.
Now go out and show MGM who actually owns them!
Quote: RogerKintWell yeah, but, do they know their Constitution?
Yeah, and are their condoms and / or IUD's made in China?
A man can't be too careful, you know.
Quote: SiegfriedRoyNo need to pay for girls and risk getting robbed and or getting beat up by the pimp while your pants are down. Vegas has plenty of women who lose their inhibition while on a trip there. When I was single, I inadvertently found out that EARLY Sunday morning around 2-4AM tends to be the time tourist women tend become more desperate. It's no secret that when a group of girls come visit Vegas, they secretly have a fantasy of having a scandalous one night stand up with a stud. While the pretty ones end up fulfilling check-box, the more homely ones end up going ham the last night of the trip due seeing their better looking friends get hit on, and etc. They also lose their inhibition with alcohol and the party atmosphere. As long as you're willing to sleep with average looking women and below, there are plenty of opportunities. I'll name one watering hole I've found to have higher rate of success: Carnival Court 2-4AM. It's quite the surprise because I don't know why.
Wow. Do people really think like this?
Who would have thought that on Saturday night's, there are women on the Strip thinking indecent thoughts. Thank God we men don't have similar failings.
Quote: SiegfriedRoyNo need to pay for girls and risk getting robbed and or getting beat up by the pimp while your pants are down. Vegas has plenty of women who lose their inhibition while on a trip there. When I was single, I inadvertently found out that EARLY Sunday morning around 2-4AM tends to be the time tourist women tend become more desperate. It's no secret that when a group of girls come visit Vegas, they secretly have a fantasy of having a scandalous one night stand up with a stud. While the pretty ones end up fulfilling check-box, the more homely ones end up going ham the last night of the trip due seeing their better looking friends get hit on, and etc. They also lose their inhibition with alcohol and the party atmosphere. As long as you're willing to sleep with average looking women and below, there are plenty of opportunities. I'll name one watering hole I've found to have higher rate of success: Carnival Court 2-4AM. It's quite the surprise because I don't know why.
Only drones lose their inhibition. I cant remember one time I ever acted out of the ordinary just because of some alcohol or social pressure. I guess because I'm not a droned out robot that lets alcohol and society tell them what to do. I can be piss drunk and still be in complete disciplinary action.
Quote: ZenKinGOnly drones lose their inhibition. I cant remember one time I ever acted out of the ordinary just because of some alcohol or social pressure. I guess because I'm not a droned out robot that lets alcohol and society tell them what to do. I can be piss drunk and still be in complete disciplinary action.
So drinking and driving and killing people is because society has told us we aren’t good drivers drunk?
Quote: FinsRuleSo drinking and driving and killing people is because society has told us we aren’t good drivers drunk?
No, you completely misunderstood what I said. People lose their inhibition due to alcohol or social pressures because they know they can use that as an excuse for their actions. You can be piss drunk and still have full self control if you really wanted to, unless you're a drone of course. Are you a drone? I can drink 5 bottles of black label(even though I will throw up by then) and still have full control of my actions. The alcohol doesn't take control of who you are unless you're mentally weak or looking for an excuse for your actions. Droned out sluts out in vegas for a weekend love using alcohol as an excuse. If only they stayed home and read their Constitution.
Quote: ZenKinGNo, you completely misunderstood what I said. People lose their inhibition due to alcohol or social pressures because they know they can use that as an excuse for their actions. You can be piss drunk and still have full self control if you really wanted to, unless you're a drone of course. Are you a drone? I can drink 5 bottles of black label(even though I will throw up by then) and still have full control of my actions. The alcohol doesn't take control of who you are unless you're mentally weak or looking for an excuse for your actions. Droned out sluts out in vegas for a weekend love using alcohol as an excuse.
Pfffffttt.
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Quote: BozNope just a retired 30 YO with a net worth below the average college grad of your age, like it or not.
But money doesn’t matter, right?
Keep it coming, many of us are enjoying your misery. Just imagining the future “King” in his little Jordan jersey is priceless.
Now go out and show MGM who actually owns them!
First off, I'm not 30, I'm 29. Secondly age is just a social construct for the droned out sheep. Age doesn't pressure me into fitting into a societal stereotype of how to live my life and when to do certain things.
Secondly, I don't know what world you live in, but last time I checked, less than 1% of the population has a net worth of 60k at my age, let alone a POSITIVE net worth at all LOL. Not to mention having a net worth is misleading. Instead of telling me your net worth, tell me how much debt you have, that's whats really important. I have ZERO DEBT. So many fall in love with the illusion of their great hundreds of thousands of dollars of net worth, meanwhile they have hundreds of thousands in DEBT hanging over their heads LOL. What a great 'net worth' they have. More like net 'worthless'. This is all by design though. Society cleverly thought of the phrase 'net worth' to give you the illusion that you're building wealth in this fiat credit system thats in place, when in all reality, you're drowning further into bankruptcy.
The ones who do have a net worth of 60k and NO DEBT at my age, most if not all of them came from rich parents which provided them handouts such as a nice inheritance, everything paid for, etc. Very few could've done what I've done. All the drones in society who have contributed to massive inflation still can't stop me and I haven't even tried yet, I'm just coasting along through life. Imagine when I actually start caring a bit more about money? No I'm not bragging, just correcting you. Everything in my life is planned out perfectly because I'm not a slave to what society thinks of me and pressuring me into doing what they 'expect' of me. I know when to buy a house, when to start a family, no pressure whatsover. The end result is a true fulfilling happiness because I'M in CONTROL of MY life and thus as a result my financials are also in line.
I'm also glad you're enjoying my so called 'misery' because last time I checked I love my life and you or anyone else having an opinion about my life is the equivalent of what the pigeon outside thinks of me. Maybe you were talking about the drones out there slaving to their alarm clocks working for someone else living paycheck to paycheck with their illustrious beautiful marriage and 2 kids they financially cant support and a house they claim they 'own' but in reality are 300k in housing debt and if they dont make the monthly mortgage payment, their house gets taken away LOL. Maybe that's who you were referring to. Guess they fell into the societal trap of needing to have a family by a certain age, needing to have a house at a certain age, needing to have kids at a certain age, needing to have a 'normal' job at a certain age. Whoooopss.
If you don't know that, I'm not sure what to say.
Speaking of one percent,how about a little experiment. Let's go back to the date of your first post. Let's theoretically invest your bankroll in a tracking fund and see how your bankroll, minus your expertise, shapes up.
Quote: billryanYou do realize that net worth means assists minus liabilities, right? Because if you know that, your post is nonsense.
If you don't know that, I'm not sure what to say.
Speaking of one percent,how about a little experiment. Let's go back to the date of your first post. Let's theoretically invest your bankroll in a tracking fund and see how your bankroll, minus your expertise, shapes up.
Yes, I understand that, but many people today dont talk about net worth as the true definition entails. They like to take their long term debt/investments/assets and claim that's their net worth even if they still owe 500k on the house, etc.
So, someone who owns a $600k house with a $500k mortgage, and has $60k in the bank has a lower net worth than someone who doesn't own a house and has $60k in the bank?Quote: ZenKinGYes, I understand that, but many people today dont talk about net worth like the true definition entails. They like to take their long term debt and long term investments/assets and claim that's their net worth even if they still owe 500k on the house, etc.
And isn't the guy who owns the house in much better shape because he has a $600k hard asset, and only owes $500k in worthless fiat currency?
Damn. John Stockton must be a millionaire! Oh, wait, he is! ;)Quote: billryanYou do realize that net worth means assists minus liabilities, right?
Quote: JoemanSo, someone who owns a $600k house with a $500k mortgage, and has $60k in the bank has a lower net worth than someone who doesn't own a house and has $60k in the bank?
And isn't the guy who owns the house in much better shape because he has a $600k hard asset, and only owes $500k in worthless fiat currency?
Damn. John Stockton must be a millionaire! Oh, wait, he is! ;)
Good point. My fear is when you have a handful of people artificially controlling interest rates, your assets can become liabilities almost overnight. Just ask all the people who thought they were rich before the "great recession".
