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December 20th, 2011 at 8:08:55 AM permalink
Please preview my interivew of former Party Pit dealer Angela Wyman.

Don't bother to complain about the background noise, I couldn't do anything about it, and all my u-uh's, as hard as I tried, I couldn't stop myself.

You'll see be happy to hear that we'll a lot more of Angela in the future playing the role of my student in lots of gambling instructional videos, as my assistant Rhys edits them. Our own PaiGowDan will be the dealer.
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December 20th, 2011 at 8:24:17 AM permalink
Wizard has great smiles. :-))
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December 20th, 2011 at 8:29:15 AM permalink
We probably also shouldnt mention the lighting. Actually the background noise didnt bother me. You were new and improved so if you did indeed work on it, it paid off.
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December 20th, 2011 at 12:07:11 PM permalink
Lighting and also sound levels. I don't know if separate microphones should be used or separate recording tracks buts its hard to listen to two people who are speaking at different volumes.

Background: If you can't shoot in a casino then perhaps a dealer school where there are professional tables in the background.

On-Edit: Actually it looks as if this was filmed in a dealer school.
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December 20th, 2011 at 12:23:41 PM permalink
" Our own PaiGowDan will be the dealer. " Wow. Betting against an undefeated Green Bay Team and now putting Dan on camera !
Talk about a gambler. LOL
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December 20th, 2011 at 12:24:37 PM permalink
Quote: RoyalBJ

Wizard has great smiles. :-))

Was the Wizard in the video? I didn't even I didn't even notice!!
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December 20th, 2011 at 12:31:43 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Was the Wizard in the video? I didn't even I didn't even notice!!



?!!

You lose your Juniour G-man badge over that one. edit: watched it again and decided it was your joke, about focusing a bit too much on the other party.
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December 20th, 2011 at 12:45:50 PM permalink
Quote: DeadRats

" Our own PaiGowDan will be the dealer. " Wow. Betting against an undefeated Green Bay Team and now putting Dan on camera !
Talk about a gambler. LOL


Hey, we were all spot-on and as smooth as silk. Remember, the house doesn't gamble...
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December 20th, 2011 at 12:57:08 PM permalink
Excellent interview! What are the remarkable casinos that offer 3:2 bj on their party pits?
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December 20th, 2011 at 1:41:23 PM permalink
You want opinions, here goes. You were mic'd right, she wasn't.
I had to strain to understand her at times. She was in focus, you
were not. The ping-ponging from her to you to her was making me
dizzy. If you have two cameras, have one set up so we can see
both of you at once and the other trained on her. When you ask
a question, go to the wide shot in editing. If you have one camera, do a B-roll
when you're done of both of you, but don't show her so we can see
her mouth moving. You can edit the B-roll into the interview to give
it a professional look. Learn to relax more in front of the camera, you
seemed kind of nervous and uptight. I would grade this interview as a C-minus, it
could easily have been much better.

I learned a lot about this stuff in the early 80's. I had a singing
telegram business in Santa Barbara for awhile and we made
our own TV commercials. You learn all about the value of B-roll
and how to use it effectively.
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December 20th, 2011 at 2:07:29 PM permalink
Thanks for the comments. Agreed, the lighting on me was bad. Nobody was miked. This video was made with two cheap video cameras with no special lighting and a very noisy air conditioner in the background. A B-roll? Bob, you must have me confused with Steve Spielberg or somthing.
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December 20th, 2011 at 2:26:23 PM permalink
B-roll for that interview would have been super easy. Position
the camera to the side, behind her so we just see the side of
her face, but not see her mouth moving, and we can see all of you.
Leave it running the whole time. Then edit the B-roll into the
main interview, preferably when you're asking a question. It
gives a real professional look, try it, you'll like it. And you have
to use individual mic's, they're cheap and well worth it.
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December 20th, 2011 at 4:04:45 PM permalink
2 days training? Doesn't the NGCB have a rule on minimum training time before you get a dealer license?
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December 20th, 2011 at 4:57:50 PM permalink
Embarrassing.
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December 20th, 2011 at 6:13:11 PM permalink
Quite frankly, poor video techniques do a great amount of damage. I'd re-shoot the entire thing despite any costs or delays involved. Ofcourse I'm not the one paying to rent the camera equipment or anything.

And please, get the poor girl a more comfortable chair. If she is not comfortable in it, you will not great video. Also if she needs to take a break to brush her hair so it won't constantly fall down, let her have a break.

I'm not trying to be hyper critical about this, its just that the final result looks amateurish. If the air conditioner is noisy... turn it off. Same with florescent lighting if needbe. If you really and truly are on a shoestring budget for this, get an umbrella, spray the inside with reflective aluminum and create your own diffuse lighting to avoid shadows that make people think they are watching some Film Noir shot.
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December 20th, 2011 at 6:23:14 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

2 days training? Doesn't the NGCB have a rule on minimum training time before you get a dealer license?


Actually, I don't think a dealer is required to have any training. They are required to have a Sheriff's card which means they've gone down and paid a fee for a background check and given their fingerprints so that they have no felonies and no current warrants. Other than that I don't think the Gaming Board cares about training. They leave that to the casinos on the assumption that market forces will cause the licensee to hire and fire and train as the licensee sees fit.

I'll admit two days training seems inadequate but then these are not really Blackjack Dealers, they are scantily clad young ladies who smile and laugh all night long despite wearing shoes that hurt their feet right from the start of their shift. They remain bubbly all night long and convince each and every man that they are truly happy that he is there with them and happy when he wins. Or as the young lady said "Its a Tit Tax".
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December 20th, 2011 at 6:32:12 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

Actually, I don't think a dealer is required to have any training. They are required to have a Sheriff's card which means they've gone down and paid a fee for a background check and given their fingerprints so that they have no felonies and no current warrants. Other than that I don't think the Gaming Board cares about training. They leave that to the casinos on the assumption that market forces will cause the licensee to hire and fire and train as the licensee sees fit.

I'll admit two days training seems inadequate but then these are not really Blackjack Dealers, they are scantily clad young ladies who smile and laugh all night long despite wearing shoes that hurt their feet right from the start of their shift. They remain bubbly all night long and convince each and every man that they are truly happy that he is there with them and happy when he wins. Or as the young lady said "Its a Tit Tax".



Kind of wild you can get a work card that easily. When I was in school I didn't make it to be checked out and saw the background check they did. 20 year employment check, every last place you worked they wanted. Credit check. I forget what else but my reaction was if this was the dealer license I can't imagine the Key Employee investigation. Might be a little easier today, but still run by the gaming board and state police last I heard. And there was a training requirement of I think 40 hrs for BJ, 80 for craps, 40 for roulette, carnival games varried all the way down to 4 hours for Big-6.

They are not really "Blackjack Dealers" but they are. Money changes hands, same NGCB rules on the games. I actually care more about good rules, call me a MAWG if you wish, but not worth the 6:5 hit to be near a hottie who sees me as a cash register.
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December 21st, 2011 at 1:24:38 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

I'm not trying to be hyper critical about this, its just that the final result looks amateurish... people think they are watching some Film Noir shot.



Agree, though I think you have been hinting our expectations should be very low for this and perhaps your video project in general. To be frank as well, that surprises me. I was picturing that you had determined to put out a better product than the American Casino Guide stuff what with the "Gambing" spelling in that and all. Well, initial indications frankly [that frankness again popping up] early on are the A.C.G product stands to be much more professional looking, head and shoulders.

I woke up this morning thinking you ought to re-shoot the whole thing if you can.
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December 21st, 2011 at 2:38:59 AM permalink
>They are not really "Blackjack Dealers" but they are.
I meant in the sense of as they are perceived by a Floorperson who observes such things as a dealer reaching into a handbag to obtain and apply lip gloss during a game and no attempt to "clean hands" or anything like that. The Floorperson learns to view them as The Tits who bring in the Tit Tax money and he has to slowly educate the girls as to proper procedures rather than fire on the spot the dealers who do such things.

>call me a MAWG if you wish,
Okay. You're a MAWG. What's a MAWG?

> but not worth the 6:5 hit to be near a hottie who sees me as a cash register.
Ah, but in the party pit the girls have the same attitude they do in a strip club: there are not a dozen leering males out there; there are a dozen wallets out there that need emptying.
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December 21st, 2011 at 2:43:18 AM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

>Okay. You're a MAWG. What's a MAWG



I had to look this up too. Middle Aged White Guy [evidently]
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December 21st, 2011 at 3:42:41 AM permalink
Hopefully the gamblig videos will be better. We viewed this interview as a warm up for all involved. Furthermore, the whole thing I always considered a dry run.

Steve Bourie, who does the America Casino Guide interviews has really good equipement, and rents out a suite to get all the details right. This whole experience makes me appreciate how difficult it is to make a simple interview. If anyone knows anyone who can help with producing a video in Vegas, let me know.
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December 21st, 2011 at 5:25:55 AM permalink
While I agree with some of the critique, I gotta ask, what is the goal? Are you merely trying to create video content for WoO, or are you trying to create something that you can then market to a network?

If it's for your own use, then tidy up the little issues already mentioned. If you're planning on going big time, fork over the big bucks and have it done professionally.

Some things that can be done cheaply to make it better:

Dress up the set a little. Rent / borrow some pipe & drape for this. If you can afford it, get a step & repeat backdrop. At the very least, turn off the monitor on the wall behind Angela's head.

Remove the discard tray and chip stack, and maybe even the shoe. Or change the camera angle to make it more obvious you're sitting at a casino table rather than a desk.

Get a small table for your soda can, and keep it out of camera view. Better yet, get rid of it entirely. If you need to stop periodically for a drink, then stop. Hell, you should probably stop periodically anyway, just to discuss what's going to be discussed in the next few questions. That will help get rid of a lot of the "Um" pauses.


Quote: DeadRats

" Our own PaiGowDan will be the dealer. " Wow. Betting against an undefeated Green Bay Team and now putting Dan on camera !
Talk about a gambler. LOL

Did I miss something?

I didn't see Dan at all - until his name popped up in the end credits.
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December 21st, 2011 at 7:55:12 AM permalink
I'm planning to just throw the videos on YouTube and see what comes of it. If they do half way decently I'll redo them in a more professional manner and throw more money behind the project.

I don't know why Rhys (the editor) mentioned Dan in the credits of this one. Maybe because he had to stand around watching.
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December 21st, 2011 at 12:40:57 PM permalink
To me, the 3 most important things in doing a good interview are
lighting, sound, and setting. That you have good equipment goes
without saying. Here's a shot from Shatner's Raw Nerve. Look at
the lighting and the set, beautiful. The chair configuration is
brilliant, immediate intimacy. You see both people, they look
comfortable, they're close yet not invading each others space. In
all interviews, its important to see both people in the same shot
occasionally, its adds continuity. With this setup, half the work of
the interview is done already, its pleasing to the eye.

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December 21st, 2011 at 1:44:20 PM permalink
This is indeed an impressive shot but the set may be beyond what the Wizard wants to invest. There are already rumors circulating that before paying the dealer her fee, he made her answer obscure trivia questions and split two tens.
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December 21st, 2011 at 1:59:14 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

This is indeed an impressive shot but the set may be beyond what the Wizard wants to invest.



I'm sure it is. I'm just using it as an example of an
extreme. He should be somewhere in the middle.
I would see if I could use a couch in an unbusy
part of a hotel. A place like this when its not busy
would be perfect:

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December 21st, 2011 at 3:05:20 PM permalink
Quote: odiousgambit

I had to look this up too. Middle Aged White Guy [evidently]



Did you find that somewhere else? Just kind of made it up here a few months back, not that I claim to be the first but I do claim to have come up with it on my own.
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December 21st, 2011 at 4:15:16 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I'm planning to just throw the videos on YouTube and see what comes of it. If they do half way decently I'll redo them in a more professional manner and throw more money behind the project.


I don't know if they will do halfway decently unless you put some production value into it. It's winter break - hire a journalism student from CSN as an intern. Most media students would jump at a chance to be involved with a website with over a million hits/month. And by this point, you've got to know some people in the hotel side of Vegas. See if you can get into an unused suite for an hour and shoot with a view. You could even credit the hotel, and lead-in with "Michael Shackleford here at the fabulous ABC hotel in Las Vegas, Nevada. Today we're talking with ..."

Or, taking it in a different direction, work with the hotel itself and make the whole series a sponsored production. Then they foot the bill. All you have to do is pitch the show to the hotel's PR department.
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December 21st, 2011 at 4:35:57 PM permalink
Avoiding entangling alliances with hotels is important. That is why hotel reviewers don't reveal their mission in advance.

I do think the video is too unprofessional to be released it will only prove embarrassingly amateurish.
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December 21st, 2011 at 6:57:35 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

Most media students would jump at a chance to be involved with a website with over a million hits/month.



WoO gets 33,000 hits a day?
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December 21st, 2011 at 7:38:13 PM permalink
I thought the Wiz was married?? No ring during the interview... Hmmmmmmm :)
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December 21st, 2011 at 9:04:50 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

WoO gets 33,000 hits a day?


According to Alexa, it's viewed by 0.003% of Internet users/day. There are somewhere around 2B Internet users, putting WoO around 60k hits/day.
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December 21st, 2011 at 9:21:54 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

I thought the Wiz was married?? No ring during the interview... Hmmmmmmm :)


That's what playing 6:5 with a party pit dealer can do.
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December 21st, 2011 at 9:29:21 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

According to Alexa, it's viewed by 0.003% of Internet users/day. There are somewhere around 2B Internet users, putting WoO around 60k hits/day.



Thats 1.8mil a month. I'm dubious there are that many people
interested in gaming.
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December 21st, 2011 at 10:09:47 PM permalink
Hits do not equal people in the internet world. When viewing just one page of this website you might be creating 4, 5, 10 or even 20 hits, depending on the content. The HTML you are reading is a hit. Each picture or graphical image is a hit, etc.

Unique Visitors would be a more relevant statistic to determine true website popularity.
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February 14th, 2012 at 3:58:46 PM permalink
Angela said the party pit dealers are non-union, receive less training, get fewer breaks per shift, don't have paid vacation or sick leave. So is it true that the casinos have lower labor costs with party pit employees?

If so, this makes the stinginess of the party pit's 6:5 blackjack odds even more maddening.
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February 14th, 2012 at 4:52:31 PM permalink
Party pit dealers get lessons in eye liner application and how to fall gracefully off your eight inch platform shoes. Real dealers get lessons on Blackjack. Running a party pit and running a real BJ pit are utterly different for management, employees and the public.
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May 31st, 2012 at 9:18:48 AM permalink
Like many others I think the sound and lighting could have been better. I don't think it would be that expensive to put a lavalier mic on both of you and run it into a mixer and then into one (or both) of the cameras to get better sound. I didn't really notice terrible background noise, but that could be because of my cheap laptop speakers. Better lighting is a must though! I think one of the results on the youtube compression is a little loss in brightness so you may even want to experiment with over compensating a little to see if that gives better results.

But technical issues aside, I loved the subject matter. I wish we had a party pit where I work. :)
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May 31st, 2012 at 10:51:29 AM permalink
Quote: reno

So is it true that the casinos have lower labor costs with party pit employees?
If so, this makes the stinginess of the party pit's 6:5 blackjack odds even more maddening.


Not necessarily lower labor costs... the casinos are hiring "cleavage" and cleavage can be more expensive than a "real" dealer, particularly if the cleavage gets a guaranteed minimum wage (up to twenty dollars an hour) that "real dealers" do not get unless their actual tokes provide it.

Angela mentioned the boob fee or tit tax that the customer is paying...part of that tit tax is the 6:5, the higher toke rates, etc. Turnover in the Party Pits is probably high and that increases the casino's expenses too.
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May 31st, 2012 at 11:07:04 AM permalink
I'm pretty sure every dealer makes at least the minimum wage. I suspect the reason every table isn't in a party pit is that players tend to bet less at them.
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May 31st, 2012 at 11:35:53 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I'm pretty sure every dealer makes at least the minimum wage. I suspect the reason every table isn't in a party pit is that players tend to bet less at them.



I assume this discussion is based on Las Vegas party pits. There is no tip wage in Nevada. Anyone employed must be paid at least $7.25/hr. If an employer does not give health benefits, the minimum wage is $8.25. For some reason I thought there was an inflation adjustment in the past few months that made it a bit higher, but I cannot find anything to back that thought up. Regardless, dealers have to make minimum wage in NV.

http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm#Nevada
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May 31st, 2012 at 3:40:12 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Please preview my interivew of former Party Pit dealer Angela Wyman.

Don't bother to complain about the background noise, I couldn't do anything about it, and all my u-uh's, as hard as I tried, I couldn't stop myself.

You'll see be happy to hear that we'll a lot more of Angela in the future playing the role of my student in lots of gambling instructional videos, as my assistant Rhys edits them. Our own PaiGowDan will be the dealer.



and she's a Go-Go dancer to boot.

How the heck did she 'hook up' (use the term loosely) with you Mike? :)
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May 14th, 2014 at 7:51:41 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

How the heck did she 'hook up' (use the term loosely) with you Mike? :)



I was looking for a model for the hotel reviews on this site and found Angela.

Speaking of Angela, her fans on this site may be unhappy to learn she is no longer single. I went to her wedding last Saturday. It had a vintage Vegas theme, thus how we're dressed.


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May 14th, 2014 at 7:54:49 PM permalink
Lookin' sharp! I like the hat.
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May 14th, 2014 at 7:55:11 PM permalink
Wow. Lucky guy! She looks like a 50's Movie Star in that picture, and actually someone specific, but I can't think of who...
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May 14th, 2014 at 7:55:49 PM permalink
She looks like Lana Turner. Very nice pic.
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May 14th, 2014 at 8:04:24 PM permalink
That's who it is!

I was thinking of this picture, I think:

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beachbumbabs
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May 14th, 2014 at 8:14:59 PM permalink
Yup. I agree. And these:



If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
Paigowdan
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May 14th, 2014 at 8:23:06 PM permalink
Broken hearts abound! Best to her and the lucky guy.
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Mission146
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May 14th, 2014 at 10:47:09 PM permalink
There it goes, in the wake of my dissolution papers being submitted to the Court last Friday, that hope to which I clung so tenaciously...that I would meet Angela and woo her with...um....that I would meet Angela who wouldn't have very good taste in men...lmao!!!

Congratulations to her, though, in all seriousness!

EDIT: This post is a light jab at myself, by the way, has nothing to do with Angela's actual taste in men, just what I would want her taste in men to be which would be not very good.
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