Fontainebleau lives! ($2.2B secured)
January 29th, 2023 at 8:31:57 AM
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Fontainebleau Vegas gets $2.2B financing, on track to open in 2023
https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/fontainebleau-gets-2-2b-financing-on-track-to-open-in-2023-2699257/
History:
The Fontainebleau project started in 2005 by Jeff Soffer, who co-owns Fontainebleau Miami
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fontainebleau_Las_Vegas
Then the Great Recession hit in 2008.
Carl Icahn purchased the project out of bankruptcy in 2010 for $150M or 1/10th of the $1.5B spent already, but he never restarted construction.
In August 2017, the unfinished resort was sold to investment firms Witkoff Group and New Valley LLC for $600 million.
(4x profit in 7 years!!?! Guess it takes $ to make $)
It was to open in 2022.
Then Covid hit in 2020.
In February 2021, Soffer bought back the project through his company Fontainebleau Development, with Koch Real Estate Investments as a partner.
Soffer named it back to Fontainebleau Las Vegas and intends to open it in late 2023.
Side note:
1) If Fontainebleau opens as planned later this year, that'll be 2 of the 3 projects that started around the 2005 time frame that finally finished.
2) Echelon being the other that finished.
The old Stardust casino owned by Boyd gaming, through twists and turns, became Resort World Vegas which opened in 2021.
3) The last of the 3 is old 'New Frontier' casino, which was located next to the Stardust.
In May 2007, the New Frontier was sold to El Ad Properties for more than $1.2 billion.
Horrible timing due to the Great Recession in 2008. (On the flip side, awesome timing for the owners of New Frontier.)
In 2018, Wynn bought it. It sits across the street from his Wynn/Encore casinos.
Plans for Wynn West casino included an underground connection to Wynn/Encore.
Then Steve Wynn resigned as CEO following sexual misconduct allegations.
Plans for Wynn West were shelved and the land still sits empty.
(I've been following these 3 projects since the mid-2000s. It fascinated me for some reason. And jeez, I'm old.)
https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/fontainebleau-gets-2-2b-financing-on-track-to-open-in-2023-2699257/
History:
The Fontainebleau project started in 2005 by Jeff Soffer, who co-owns Fontainebleau Miami
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fontainebleau_Las_Vegas
Then the Great Recession hit in 2008.
Carl Icahn purchased the project out of bankruptcy in 2010 for $150M or 1/10th of the $1.5B spent already, but he never restarted construction.
In August 2017, the unfinished resort was sold to investment firms Witkoff Group and New Valley LLC for $600 million.
(4x profit in 7 years!!?! Guess it takes $ to make $)
It was to open in 2022.
Then Covid hit in 2020.
In February 2021, Soffer bought back the project through his company Fontainebleau Development, with Koch Real Estate Investments as a partner.
Soffer named it back to Fontainebleau Las Vegas and intends to open it in late 2023.
Side note:
1) If Fontainebleau opens as planned later this year, that'll be 2 of the 3 projects that started around the 2005 time frame that finally finished.
2) Echelon being the other that finished.
The old Stardust casino owned by Boyd gaming, through twists and turns, became Resort World Vegas which opened in 2021.
3) The last of the 3 is old 'New Frontier' casino, which was located next to the Stardust.
In May 2007, the New Frontier was sold to El Ad Properties for more than $1.2 billion.
Horrible timing due to the Great Recession in 2008. (On the flip side, awesome timing for the owners of New Frontier.)
In 2018, Wynn bought it. It sits across the street from his Wynn/Encore casinos.
Plans for Wynn West casino included an underground connection to Wynn/Encore.
Then Steve Wynn resigned as CEO following sexual misconduct allegations.
Plans for Wynn West were shelved and the land still sits empty.
(I've been following these 3 projects since the mid-2000s. It fascinated me for some reason. And jeez, I'm old.)
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Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
January 31st, 2023 at 3:58:08 AM
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Another interesting snippet from an article from 2017:
"After taking over [the Fontainbleu], Icahn quickly sold all the Fontainebleau’s furniture, rugs and mattresses, then he waited as the unfinished property sat idle."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2017/08/30/how-carl-icahn-made-1-4-billion-playing-the-booms-and-busts-of-las-vegas/?sh=298e11161530
"After taking over [the Fontainbleu], Icahn quickly sold all the Fontainebleau’s furniture, rugs and mattresses, then he waited as the unfinished property sat idle."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2017/08/30/how-carl-icahn-made-1-4-billion-playing-the-booms-and-busts-of-las-vegas/?sh=298e11161530
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
July 23rd, 2023 at 12:39:34 PM
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Fire at Fontainebleau on the Las Vegas Strip
https://www.ktnv.com/news/firefighters-respond-to-large-fire-at-fontainebleau-on-the-las-vegas-strip
Overall, 12 fire engines, four ladders trucks, seven rescue units, four Battalion Chiefs, two heavy rescue units, and two air resources responded.
2023 opening date maybe delayed.
/Conspiracy hat
Insurance play failed because someone forgot to turn off the building's fire pumps.
/Conspiracy hat
Also, 118F?
It's dry heat. Noon time street basketball pickup game anyone?
https://www.ktnv.com/news/firefighters-respond-to-large-fire-at-fontainebleau-on-the-las-vegas-strip
Overall, 12 fire engines, four ladders trucks, seven rescue units, four Battalion Chiefs, two heavy rescue units, and two air resources responded.
2023 opening date maybe delayed.
/Conspiracy hat
Insurance play failed because someone forgot to turn off the building's fire pumps.
/Conspiracy hat
Also, 118F?
It's dry heat. Noon time street basketball pickup game anyone?
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
July 23rd, 2023 at 12:57:43 PM
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Quote: 100xOddsFire at Fontainebleau on the Las Vegas Strip
https://www.ktnv.com/news/firefighters-respond-to-large-fire-at-fontainebleau-on-the-las-vegas-strip
Overall, 12 fire engines, four ladders trucks, seven rescue units, four Battalion Chiefs, two heavy rescue units, and two air resources responded.
2023 opening date maybe delayed.
/Conspiracy hat
Insurance play failed because someone forgot to turn off the building's fire pumps.
/Conspiracy hat
Also, 118F?
It's dry heat. Noon time street basketball pickup game anyone?
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As long as it's opened by next August, which is when my next trip to Vegas is currently planned (I know, Vegas in August, but it's timed around other events.)
Also, that's 118F in the shade. Something tells me somebody crazy enough to, I don't know, say, how about, walk from Virgin to the Strip (I resemble that remark), is going to get it a few degrees hotter than that.
July 23rd, 2023 at 1:06:29 PM
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Even worst at 3-pm. I used to play about 5 days a week at Vegas High on my way back from work, even in the summertime.Quote: 100xOdds. Noon time street basketball pickup game anyone?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
July 23rd, 2023 at 1:30:34 PM
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Fountainebleu must be offering pretty good packages for hosts because they have managed to lure away quite a number of hosts from at least one of the majors on the Strip. The package must include pay for the next six months or so, because the hosts left about a month ago. No goodbye, nothing, just - gone, and then afterwards confirmation about what happened.
I've made the mistake of opening credit lines at new casinos before visiting them after opening. For someone like me I have to see what's going on, what's available, what sort of limits will be offered, what kind of deal I can negotiate, and at the time the lines are being opened you can't always know. Usually better to just wait.
I've made the mistake of opening credit lines at new casinos before visiting them after opening. For someone like me I have to see what's going on, what's available, what sort of limits will be offered, what kind of deal I can negotiate, and at the time the lines are being opened you can't always know. Usually better to just wait.
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 14th, 2023 at 7:22:38 PM
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scheduled to open in December 2023, and will include a 173,000 sq ft (16,100 m2) casino and 3,644 hotel rooms.
Looks almost ready.
It's 18yr journey finally coming to fruition.
Looks almost ready.
It's 18yr journey finally coming to fruition.
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
September 26th, 2023 at 9:58:56 PM
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https://twitter.com/LifeNLasVegas/status/1706772790932857022
oh no
oh no
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
September 27th, 2023 at 5:17:44 AM
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Fountainebleau is on track for a VIP opening and party mid December (MDawg and friends will probably be there, if in Vegas around that time), and will have Post Malone at their NYE's party, windows popping out or not!
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 27th, 2023 at 5:48:47 AM
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what an ugly hotel from the back the front lines and shapes are cool but the curved back is just wierd to me for some reason
September 27th, 2023 at 8:12:04 AM
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It was intended to be a residential condo tower, and looks fine for something like that.
Wynn / Encore and Resorts World have a similar sort of curved all glass look you don't like their buildings either?
Wynn / Encore and Resorts World have a similar sort of curved all glass look you don't like their buildings either?
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
September 27th, 2023 at 12:32:17 PM
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Quote: MDawgIt was intended to be a residential condo tower, and looks fine for something like that.
Wynn / Encore and Resorts World have a similar sort of curved all glass look you don't like their buildings either?
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I dont know why but the building shape rubs me the wrong way but i do like the wynn shape
September 27th, 2023 at 12:57:14 PM
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Yeah, the outside looks king of boring. Like a generic office building or something.
October 25th, 2023 at 3:19:10 PM
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https://edition.cnn.com/travel/fontainebleau-hotel-las-vegas/index.html
Set to open December 13 at a cost of $3.7B and took 23yrs!
Set to open December 13 at a cost of $3.7B and took 23yrs!
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
October 25th, 2023 at 3:30:53 PM
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Tried to edit my above post but got this error:
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The 3,644-room resort also represents the culmination of a 23-year journey that started for Jeffrey Soffer, Fontainebleau Development’s chairman and CEO, when he purchased the land back in 2000.
Construction on the hotel began in 2007, but construction stopped the following year due to the Great Recession. The building sat there, 70% finished, for 12 years.
Soffer and Fontainebleau Development, in partnership with Koch Real Estate Investments, reacquired the property in 2021 and charged forward with plans to finish what they had started.
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The 3,644-room resort also represents the culmination of a 23-year journey that started for Jeffrey Soffer, Fontainebleau Development’s chairman and CEO, when he purchased the land back in 2000.
Construction on the hotel began in 2007, but construction stopped the following year due to the Great Recession. The building sat there, 70% finished, for 12 years.
Soffer and Fontainebleau Development, in partnership with Koch Real Estate Investments, reacquired the property in 2021 and charged forward with plans to finish what they had started.
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
December 14th, 2023 at 10:15:23 AM
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And it's open!Quote: 100xOddshttps://edition.cnn.com/travel/fontainebleau-hotel-las-vegas/index.html
Set to open December 13 at a cost of $3.7B and took 23yrs!
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https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/stars-party-precede-fontainebleaus-long-awaited-opening-photos-2964909/
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
December 14th, 2023 at 10:41:32 AM
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Anybody know what table games they have? They don't really have any info on their website.
December 14th, 2023 at 11:42:50 AM
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Quote: 100xOddsAnd it's open!Quote: 100xOddshttps://edition.cnn.com/travel/fontainebleau-hotel-las-vegas/index.html
Set to open December 13 at a cost of $3.7B and took 23yrs!
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https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/stars-party-precede-fontainebleaus-long-awaited-opening-photos-2964909/
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It is bad form to post links to articles behind a pay wall, as is the case here.
"What, me worry?"
December 14th, 2023 at 11:55:42 AM
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i dont see a paywall.Quote: MrVQuote: 100xOddsAnd it's open!Quote: 100xOddshttps://edition.cnn.com/travel/fontainebleau-hotel-las-vegas/index.html
Set to open December 13 at a cost of $3.7B and took 23yrs!
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https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/stars-party-precede-fontainebleaus-long-awaited-opening-photos-2964909/
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It is bad form to post links to articles behind a pay wall, as is the case here.
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I clicked on the link again on a different browser. Saw it fine.
And no, i dont have a subscription to Vegas Review Journal (or any news outlet)
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
December 14th, 2023 at 11:57:22 AM
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Quote: MrVQuote: 100xOddsAnd it's open!Quote: 100xOddshttps://edition.cnn.com/travel/fontainebleau-hotel-las-vegas/index.html
Set to open December 13 at a cost of $3.7B and took 23yrs!
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https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/stars-party-precede-fontainebleaus-long-awaited-opening-photos-2964909/
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It is bad form to post links to articles behind a pay wall, as is the case here.
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It worked just fine for me. It is bad form to accuse others of things they did not do.
The race is not always to the swift, nor the battle to the strong; but that is the way to bet.
December 14th, 2023 at 1:26:53 PM
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Quote: unJonQuote: MrVQuote: 100xOddsAnd it's open!Quote: 100xOddshttps://edition.cnn.com/travel/fontainebleau-hotel-las-vegas/index.html
Set to open December 13 at a cost of $3.7B and took 23yrs!
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https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/stars-party-precede-fontainebleaus-long-awaited-opening-photos-2964909/
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It is bad form to post links to articles behind a pay wall, as is the case here.
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It worked just fine for me. It is bad form to accuse others of things they did not do.
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Mr. V is an attorney. He has done so for decades!
(Teasing. Please no suspension).
Are they affiliated with other casinos or standalone?
December 15th, 2023 at 4:18:49 AM
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The LVRJ link worked for me too.
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
December 15th, 2023 at 6:18:58 AM
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The link is behind a firewall. However it does allow you one or two visits a month before you are blocked.
50-50-90 Rule: Anytime you have a 50-50 chance of getting something right, there is a 90% probability you'll get it wrong
December 15th, 2023 at 7:59:59 AM
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Early reviews of the architecture and decor aren't charitable. It's being described as "cold," "boring" and "forgettable." My favorite so far is, "It looks like a modern cruise ship without the lure of exotic places to visit."
I know that themed casinos are out of fashion, but at least they are memorable. It's hard to forget being inside the Venetian or even Circus Circus. With the new crop, however, my memory can only conjure up some generic casino imagery: endless slots banks with table games in the distance and a nearby food area.
The exception to this would be the Wynn and Encore. Perhaps Steve Wynn is the only guy capable of making the generic memorable.
I know that themed casinos are out of fashion, but at least they are memorable. It's hard to forget being inside the Venetian or even Circus Circus. With the new crop, however, my memory can only conjure up some generic casino imagery: endless slots banks with table games in the distance and a nearby food area.
The exception to this would be the Wynn and Encore. Perhaps Steve Wynn is the only guy capable of making the generic memorable.
Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.
December 15th, 2023 at 8:10:13 AM
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So who from the forum will get there first AND take the time to post their first-hand impressions ?
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
December 15th, 2023 at 10:04:59 AM
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A histrionic high roller I presume
December 15th, 2023 at 6:54:45 PM
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Quote: JohnnyQSo who from the forum will get there first AND take the time to post their first-hand impressions ?
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It's on my short list to check it out. Maybe even tomorrow (Saturday).
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 15th, 2023 at 7:21:38 PM
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Quote: 100xOddsFire at Fontainebleau on the Las Vegas Strip
https://www.ktnv.com/news/firefighters-respond-to-large-fire-at-fontainebleau-on-the-las-vegas-strip
Overall, 12 fire engines, four ladders trucks, seven rescue units, four Battalion Chiefs, two heavy rescue units, and two air resources responded.
2023 opening date maybe delayed.
/Conspiracy hat
Insurance play failed because someone forgot to turn off the building's fire pumps.
/Conspiracy hat
Also, 118F?
It's dry heat. Noon time street basketball pickup game anyone?
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♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
December 15th, 2023 at 8:46:23 PM
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Inside the New FONTAINEBLEAU in LAS VEGAS. from: NeverEndingNews.com
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/announcements/33030-todays-gaming-news-ntg/175/#post911531
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/announcements/33030-todays-gaming-news-ntg/175/#post911531
Stephen Au-Yeung (Legend of New Table Games®) NewTableGames.com
December 16th, 2023 at 1:37:50 AM
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I went with a friend today and I can say I was amazed. I wasn’t really sure what to expect going in but I wasn’t expecting Wynn level of elegance. Everything is high end, from the planned stores, the multiple high limit rooms to the decor. I like the spacious layout of the slot machines vs what Durango did which was stuff as many machines in as humanly possible which makes it tough to walk around. I liked the assortment of AP machines that were at FB but obviously not everyone cares about that. The lobby entrance is beautiful with great design as is the whole casino. I only played a few hands of bj on a $25 6-5 table to grab a chip for my collection so I can’t say much about the table offerings other than there were a lot of them. I found a small HL slot room and 2 HL table rooms. We went to the cafe where they had sandwiches for $13-$15 which I was surprised by. I wasn’t expecting reasonable food options given the decor. I had a brookie (brownie cookie) for $7, it was big. My buddy had a pressed juice that he said was amazing. Overall I think the casino is a winner, I assume the hotel is equally nice. My initial thoughts were that it was another resorts world where they thought they could contend with Wynn and Venetian and can’t but FB might actually be able to.
Overall 9/10
Overall 9/10
You can shear a sheep a hundred times, but you can skin it only once. — Amarillo Slim Preston
December 16th, 2023 at 7:02:00 PM
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I went to the Fontainebleau (it will take me a while to commit that spelling to memory) today. Let me break up my report into sections. Here are the table games, other than high limit.
Baccarat: They exclusively deal the commission-free variant where a Banker win on 6 pays 1-2. As a reminder, the house edge on the banker bet is 1.46%. I counted 8 tables. One had a $50 minimum, six had a $100 minimum and one was closed.
Blackjack: I counted 29 tables. Here is a breakdown of the rules. The dollar figure represents the minimum bet.
6-5 6-deck: 25 at $25 minimum
6-5 2-deck: 1 at $25, 1 at $50.
3-2 2-deck: 1 at $100
3-2 6-deck: 2 at $25, 1 at $50
At all tables the dealer hit a soft 17, double after split was allowed, re-splitting aces was allowed and surrender was not allowed.
The few 3-2 tables they have on the main floor have a 0.57% house edge. The 6-5 tables have a 1.93% house edge.
Craps: There were 6 craps tables. All had 3-4-5x odds, 3-1 field and commission buying the 4 and 10 on wins only. One table had a $15 minimum, two at $25, one at $50 and one was closed.
Crapless Craps: There were 2 Crapless Craps tables. One had a $25 minimum and one at $1,000. When I asked about the $1,000 minimum they said it was actually a private table (which nobody was playing at the time).
Dealer Open Pai Gow: This a copycat version of Face-Up Pai Gow Poker. There were two tables, one with a $25 minimum and one at $50
Free Bonus Blackjack: This is a copycat version of Free Bet Blackjack. There were two tables, both with a $25 minimum.
High Card Flush: Two tables, both at a $25 minimum.
Pai Gow Poker: One table with a $50 minimum.
Roulette: Five tables. Four with two zeros and one with three.
Super 4 Poker: This is a copycat version of Crazy 4 Poker. Two tables. One had a $15 minimum and the other was closed.
Three Card Poker: One table at a $25 minimum
Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em: 4 tables. 3 were at a $25 minimum and one at $15.
Next I will report on the tables in the high limit room.
Baccarat: They exclusively deal the commission-free variant where a Banker win on 6 pays 1-2. As a reminder, the house edge on the banker bet is 1.46%. I counted 8 tables. One had a $50 minimum, six had a $100 minimum and one was closed.
Blackjack: I counted 29 tables. Here is a breakdown of the rules. The dollar figure represents the minimum bet.
6-5 6-deck: 25 at $25 minimum
6-5 2-deck: 1 at $25, 1 at $50.
3-2 2-deck: 1 at $100
3-2 6-deck: 2 at $25, 1 at $50
At all tables the dealer hit a soft 17, double after split was allowed, re-splitting aces was allowed and surrender was not allowed.
The few 3-2 tables they have on the main floor have a 0.57% house edge. The 6-5 tables have a 1.93% house edge.
Craps: There were 6 craps tables. All had 3-4-5x odds, 3-1 field and commission buying the 4 and 10 on wins only. One table had a $15 minimum, two at $25, one at $50 and one was closed.
Crapless Craps: There were 2 Crapless Craps tables. One had a $25 minimum and one at $1,000. When I asked about the $1,000 minimum they said it was actually a private table (which nobody was playing at the time).
Dealer Open Pai Gow: This a copycat version of Face-Up Pai Gow Poker. There were two tables, one with a $25 minimum and one at $50
Free Bonus Blackjack: This is a copycat version of Free Bet Blackjack. There were two tables, both with a $25 minimum.
High Card Flush: Two tables, both at a $25 minimum.
Pai Gow Poker: One table with a $50 minimum.
Roulette: Five tables. Four with two zeros and one with three.
Super 4 Poker: This is a copycat version of Crazy 4 Poker. Two tables. One had a $15 minimum and the other was closed.
Three Card Poker: One table at a $25 minimum
Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em: 4 tables. 3 were at a $25 minimum and one at $15.
Next I will report on the tables in the high limit room.
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"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 17th, 2023 at 4:54:15 AM
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Here is my report of the FB high limit room tables.
The six-deck blackjack tables have what I call the "liberal strip rules," which are: BJ pays 3-2, dealer stands on soft 17, double after split allowed, re-splitting aces allowed, surrender allowed. The house edge is 0.29%.
The double-deck tables rules are: BJ pays 3-2, dealer stands on soft 17, double after split allowed, re-splitting aces not allowed, surrender not allowed. The house edge is 0.26%.
Here is the table count:
Blackjack:
Six-deck: 4 tables, 3 at a $500 minimum and 1 at $300.
Double-deck: 2 tables, 1 at a $500 minimum and 1 at $300.
Baccarat:
As on the main floor, a Banker win with 6 pays 1 to 2.
10 tables, 3 at a $300 minimum and 7 at $500.
Craps:
One table, which was closed at the time of my visit.
As usual with high-end casinos, there were obviously many small private gaming rooms.
Next, I will report on the video poker and video keno.
The six-deck blackjack tables have what I call the "liberal strip rules," which are: BJ pays 3-2, dealer stands on soft 17, double after split allowed, re-splitting aces allowed, surrender allowed. The house edge is 0.29%.
The double-deck tables rules are: BJ pays 3-2, dealer stands on soft 17, double after split allowed, re-splitting aces not allowed, surrender not allowed. The house edge is 0.26%.
Here is the table count:
Blackjack:
Six-deck: 4 tables, 3 at a $500 minimum and 1 at $300.
Double-deck: 2 tables, 1 at a $500 minimum and 1 at $300.
Baccarat:
As on the main floor, a Banker win with 6 pays 1 to 2.
10 tables, 3 at a $300 minimum and 7 at $500.
Craps:
One table, which was closed at the time of my visit.
As usual with high-end casinos, there were obviously many small private gaming rooms.
Next, I will report on the video poker and video keno.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 17th, 2023 at 6:05:05 AM
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Here is the video poker on a randomly selected Game King. By the way, the casino had very little video.
$0.25, $0.50, $1.00
$5.00
$0.25, $0.50, $1.00
| Game | Pay Table | Return |
|---|---|---|
| Jacks or better | 8-5 | 97.30% |
| Bonus Poker | 6-5 | 96.87% |
| Double Bonus | 9-6-4 | 96.38% |
| Double Double Bonus | 8-5 | 96.79% |
| Deuces Wild | 20-12-9-4 | 97.06% |
| Bonus Poker Deluxe | 8-5 | 97.40% |
| Triple Double Bonus | 9-5 | 97.02% |
| Deuces Wild Bonus | 10-4-3-3 | 97.36% |
$5.00
| Game | Pay Table | Return |
|---|---|---|
| Jacks or better | 9-5 | 98.45% |
| Bonus Poker | 8-5 | 99.17% |
| Double Bonus | 9-7-5 | 99.11% |
| Double Double Bonus | 9-6 | 98.98% |
| Deuces Wild | 25-15-9 | 98.91% |
| Bonus Poker Deluxe | 8-6 | 98.49% |
| Triple Double Bonus | 9-6 | 98.15% |
| Deuces Wild Bonus | 13-4-3-3 | 98.80% |
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 17th, 2023 at 8:16:53 AM
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Wizard:
Your thoughts on the decor / ambiance ?
Your thoughts on the decor / ambiance ?
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
December 17th, 2023 at 11:57:19 AM
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Quote: WizardHere is my report of the FB high limit room tables.
The six-deck blackjack tables have what I call the "liberal strip rules," which are: BJ pays 3-2, dealer stands on soft 17, double after split allowed, re-splitting aces allowed, surrender allowed. The house edge is 0.29%.
The double-deck tables rules are: BJ pays 3-2, dealer stands on soft 17, double after split allowed, re-splitting aces not allowed, surrender not allowed. The house edge is 0.26%.
Are there any better rules on the strip that you are aware of?
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December 17th, 2023 at 2:33:13 PM
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Quote: JohnnyQWizard:
Your thoughts on the decor / ambiance ?
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I am going to post some pictures soon, which hopefully will speak for themselves.
Until then, the place feels like a nice airport. Like the one in Hong Kong. Colors are white and blue. I thought blue was supposed to be a bad color for casinos, but maybe that was for a prior era. Very high ceiling and everything was very polished and clean. However, it lacks any kind of theme. The whole place seems ... sterile. Maybe once more stores and restaurants open it will convey more energy. For now, a lot of the space for retail is still under construction.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 17th, 2023 at 2:39:45 PM
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Quote: DRichAre there any better rules on the strip that you are aware of?
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No. Good question. The double-deck S17 game is tied for the best blackjack rules, with some of the MGM casinos. I believe the MGM, Mandalay, Aria and maybe Park. Alas, this game is confined to high-limit rooms.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 17th, 2023 at 5:04:59 PM
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Here are some pictures form my visit to the FountaineBleau. Enjoy!
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 17th, 2023 at 5:06:47 PM
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Quote: WizardQuote: JohnnyQWizard:
Your thoughts on the decor / ambiance ?
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I am going to post some pictures soon, which hopefully will speak for themselves.
Until then, the place feels like a nice airport. Like the one in Hong Kong. Colors are white and blue. I thought blue was supposed to be a bad color for casinos, but maybe that was for a prior era. Very high ceiling and everything was very polished and clean. However, it lacks any kind of theme. The whole place seems ... sterile. Maybe once more stores and restaurants open it will convey more energy. For now, a lot of the space for retail is still under construction.
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I liked the lack of a theme. It has Wynn vibes to me.
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December 17th, 2023 at 5:08:21 PM
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Quote: PokerGrinderIt has Wynn vibes to me.
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I thought it was the opposite of the Wynn in almost every way.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 18th, 2023 at 12:56:03 AM
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Interesting, I went with MaxPen and he agreed it was a cross between the elegance of Wynn and the flashiness of Cosmo.
You can shear a sheep a hundred times, but you can skin it only once. — Amarillo Slim Preston
December 18th, 2023 at 7:58:43 AM
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Quote: PokerGrinderInteresting, I went with MaxPen and he agreed it was a cross between the elegance of Wynn and the flashiness of Cosmo.
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I guess the Cosmo would be the best comparison I could make, because of the big chandelier and most of the stores and restaurants were on higher floors. However, the FB is brighter and less congested. If it didn't gave machines and tables, it wouldn't feel like it was meant to be a casino.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 18th, 2023 at 10:24:06 AM
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in 2005, the person hired to oversee the FB project (former pres of Mandalay bay) said he predicted that less than one-third of the resort's revenues would come from its casino.Quote: WizardHowever, the FB is brighter and less congested. If it didn't gave machines and tables, it wouldn't feel like it was meant to be a casino.
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Wonder if that's still true since the original owner, through years of twists and turns after bankruptcy, became the owner again and finished the building.
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
December 18th, 2023 at 11:24:12 AM
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In the TripAdvisor reviews, gamblers (but not simple tourists) are complaining that there is no status matching when you get your player's card. Evidently they allowed status matching on opening day and then cut it all off.
To be fair, status matching is disappearing from Vegas.
To be fair, status matching is disappearing from Vegas.
Have you tried 22 tonight? I said 22.
December 18th, 2023 at 11:31:10 AM
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Quote: WizardHere are some pictures form my visit to the FountaineBleau. Enjoy!
Wonder what the point of that Citroen was. Yes a cool 1970 or so I assume, classic car, but its connection to the property or its owners?
I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.
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December 18th, 2023 at 2:54:23 PM
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Quote: MDawgWonder what the point of that Citroen was. Yes a cool 1970 or so I assume, classic car, but its connection to the property or its owners?
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I honestly don't know, there was another gawker besides me, who just liked it. I've liked Citroens ever since my father called them the world's ugliest car. I don't know what he had against them. This particular one has both a classic and futuristic look at the same time.
Here is a picture of one I passed by on Ibiza in September.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 18th, 2023 at 2:55:37 PM
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Quote: MDawg
Wonder what the point of that Citroen was. Yes a cool 1970 or so I assume, classic car, but its connection to the property or its owners?
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I hear construction of the car and building was started in the same year.
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December 18th, 2023 at 3:15:01 PM
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Here is my video keno report.
A random Game King had keno at the $0.05, $0.10, $0.25, $0.50, $1 and $2. All of them followed what I call "pay table 3" at WoO, which has a maximum return of 90.19% on the pick 3. However, in judging the full pay table I like to omit the pick 1 and pick 2, because it is hard to tweak those pay tables to get close to whatever the target is. That said, the average return for the pick 3 to pick 10 is 88.04%, with a range of 87.41% (pick 4) to 89.07% (pick 8).
In the high limit room, a Game King had keno at the $2, $5, $10 and $25 level. The spot keno at the $2, $5 and $10 level was the same "pay table 3" as on the main floor. For a $25 bet they strangely only had Cleopatra Keno, which followed pay table 4 at WoO. On that, the return ranged from 89.99% to 90.28%, with an average of 90.11%.
All things considered, the keno was typically stingy of a nice Strip property. I would assume the same for the reeled slots.
A random Game King had keno at the $0.05, $0.10, $0.25, $0.50, $1 and $2. All of them followed what I call "pay table 3" at WoO, which has a maximum return of 90.19% on the pick 3. However, in judging the full pay table I like to omit the pick 1 and pick 2, because it is hard to tweak those pay tables to get close to whatever the target is. That said, the average return for the pick 3 to pick 10 is 88.04%, with a range of 87.41% (pick 4) to 89.07% (pick 8).
In the high limit room, a Game King had keno at the $2, $5, $10 and $25 level. The spot keno at the $2, $5 and $10 level was the same "pay table 3" as on the main floor. For a $25 bet they strangely only had Cleopatra Keno, which followed pay table 4 at WoO. On that, the return ranged from 89.99% to 90.28%, with an average of 90.11%.
All things considered, the keno was typically stingy of a nice Strip property. I would assume the same for the reeled slots.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 18th, 2023 at 3:20:43 PM
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Here is my report of the high limit video poker. The denoms available were $25, $50 and $100. The pay tables are the same as the $5 video poker on the main floor, as follows;
| Game | Pay Table | Return |
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| Jacks or better | 9-5 | 98.45% |
| Bonus Poker | 8-5 | 99.17% |
| Double Bonus | 9-7-5 | 99.11% |
| Double Double Bonus | 9-6 | 98.98% |
| Deuces Wild | 25-15-9 | 98.91% |
| Bonus Poker Deluxe | 8-6 | 98.49% |
| Triple Double Bonus | 9-6 | 98.15% |
| Deuces Wild Bonus | 13-4-3-3 | 98.80% |
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
December 18th, 2023 at 3:48:57 PM
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I would like to add the expiration on slot tickets is 180 days and on sports tickets is 365 days. This is pretty generous.
Also, the sports book follows Station Casino lines, but is evidently privately run.
Also, the sports book follows Station Casino lines, but is evidently privately run.
"For with much wisdom comes much sorrow." -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 (NIV)
