Which of these Vegas casinos lists should be the default?

There wasn't a good category for this post, so this was as close as I could get.

Anyway, my list of Vegas casinos is one of the most popular pages on my site. I also just made a sortable/interactive list. It would be too busy to have them both on the same page, so I've got them on separate pages. But only one page can be the default, i.e., linked from the menu when someone clicks "List of Vegas casinos". So, which page is preferable to be the default? The prefab, colorful page, or the sortable/interactive one?

Prefab/colorful: https://Easy.Vegas/casinos/list

Sortable/Interactive: https://Easy.Vegas/casinos/list-interactive

I prefer the first one, the prefab.

I prefer the one the uses the least amount of energy to power the page hosting it. And all, using less energy is every one of our responsibilities and having 2 seems wasteful.

F Beto!

I prefer the second one because more information is available about each of the properties.

I don't know what folks would be doing with a static list of names if it doesn't do something else to provide more in some way, but whatever the fixed casino name list is supposed to be for it appears to be significantly out of date, starting with the first on the list. There is no such thing as "Aliante Station." Boyd Gaming owns the Aliante Casino in North Las Vegas, and Station Casinos hasn't had anything at all to do with the property since 2012.

Thanks for the correction, DrawingDead. I updated the lists.

Yeah, I don't know what anyone's doing with the list either, but for some reason, it's one of the most popular pages on the site.

I like the 2nd one better, the interactive one.

I think there's something essential missing from the sort choices. I would want to do a primary sort by affiliation and make sure I went to their casinos on one particular trip, to maximize points earned, or conversely, if I'm trying to sign up to a bunch of casinos new to me, to avoid duplication of standing in line.

I like it a lot that you have a geographic sort. It would be worth having an introductory paragraph or two discussing why that matters.

Thanks, bbb. I added a link to "Why this matters" where you can choose the geographic area.

I've put "ownership" on my To-Do list. There's a lot of data I'd like to add eventually, like pool size, fitness center, and more accurate pricing rather than just $ - $$ - $$$.

You may already know this, especially if you're a long term local with an interest in following news of the business end of the business, but... The kind of "affiliation" (player "club' system) that interests BBB and probably most casino customers, and the "ownership" identity of a casino, may be equivalent at the majority of properties, but for some others it becomes a bit convoluted and can make it tricky to just assume that A = B for all of them.

For one example, Circus Circus is wholly owned by Mirage Resorts Int'l (aka MGM-Mirage) in about as straightforward a way as casino ownership ever gets. But the parent company doesn't exactly go out of the way to encourage customers of their more upscale places to get closely acquainted with that unlovely but still profitable b*std stepchild sacked out "in the barn on the back-forty" so to speak. It will show up on the company's list of Las Vegas "resorts" and you can book a CC room by following a link to a referral page from the company site, but it isn't in their player reward system with their other properties. The senile clown joint has a separate player tracking "club" for those who are willing to admit being there: https://www.circuscircus.com/en/casino/circus-players-club.html

And then the opposite exists in some cases. There are some properties with ownership by complex partnership arrangements involving a bunch of partial stakes by different entities, even while what the customer deals with has been seamlessly integrated into a chain's player tracking system such as the "Boarding Pass" player club, just like it was a simpler enterprise that was a straightforward wholly owned Station property, for example.

But mostly, I'm just picking at you because I'm pissed off that apparently in a foolish attempt to conserve electrons you completely overlook so many dozens of almost sorta world famous joints which, happily to me, somehow still manage to hang onto valid casino licenses last time I looked. Especially the very most awesomely fantabulous palatially wunnerful gambling place in the whole casino world that somehow inexplicably did not make it anywhere on your list. Which would of course obviously be Club Fortune (conveniently located behind a K-Mart a little off of Boulder Highway out at the far SE edge of Henderson).
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Quote: MichaelBluejay

Thanks, bbb. I added a link to "Why this matters" where you can choose the geographic area.

I've put "ownership" on my To-Do list. There's a lot of data I'd like to add eventually, like pool size, fitness center, and more accurate pricing rather than just $ - $$ - $$$.

Thank you, DrawingDead, I actually did not know that. So, I'll add a To-Do note to add a column not just for ownership, but also one for player's club affiliations.

Incidentally, I'm no longer local. Which is why I rely on my readers more than ever to keep me updated when I miss news of big changes. Adding that Corrections form to the bottom of the page really helped.

The reason I don't list Club Fortune (or the more popular M, for that matter) is that it's in Henderson, not Las Vegas proper. My list is of Vegas casinos, not Vegas-area casinos. I mention that on the prefab page. Someday I might add the Henderson properties....

I intended to sound tongue in cheek about Club Fortune. Even if I do like it, it isn't much more substantial than some convenience stores and is considerably less impressive than a lot of truck stops and I'm pretty sure almost all of their customers (except me) live within a mile of it. But with that said, I should tell you that the idea of "Las Vegas proper" can get a bit squirrelly, depending on how pedantic someone wants to get. Most of "Las Vegas" is not in Las Vegas; including almost none of what is known as the Las Vegas Strip, except arguably the Stratosphere if the definition of "The Strip" is stretched enough to include Stupak's Folly. And Aliante is one that's way far out, located at the farthest edge of the totally separate city of North Las Vegas, as far away from the actual city limits of Las Vegas as M Resort in the other direction, or Club Fortune in another for that matter.

I suggest doing nothing about this. Or at least not much that's very time consuming. And instead simply make judgments on what you think is most likely to be useful or interesting to whatever you determine to be your audience, which is what I'm guessing you've already sort of been doing, for the most part. IMO, for the overwhelming majority of visitors the fact that most of what they imagine as "Las Vegas" really isn't in it, and often isn't even all that close to it, amounts to nothing but a semantic distinction or technicality of local legal geography that doesn't need to matter at all to their vacation plans. Even many residents of the area who are governed and taxed accordingly remain oblivious to most of the civic geography, likely including some members right here. Perhaps especially some members here, whose attention span in some cases tends to be fully occupied by a few things, to the exclusion of others.

But just for da hallibut, and because I'm feeling a little more obsessive than usual tonight, here ya go with some free winners for a trivia contest:

Casino properties on your list that are also actually in Las Vegas (14):

• AZ Charlie's Decatur
• Binion's
• California
• The D
• Downtown Grand
• El Cortez
• Four Queens
• Fremont
• Golden Gate
• Golden Nugget
• Main Street Station
• Plaza
• Stratosphere
• Santa Fe Station*
(Only about 75% sure about Santa Fe Stn.)

Casino properties that are on your list but are not located in Las Vegas (57):

• Aria
• AZ Charlie's Boulder
• Bally's
• Bellagio
• Bighorn Casino
• Boulder Station
• Caesars Palace
• Cannery Casino
• Casino Royale
• Circus Circus
• Cosmopolitan
• The Cromwell
• Eastside Cannery
• Ellis Island
• Encore
• Excalibur
• Fiesta Rancho
• Flamingo
• Gold Coast
• Hard Rock Hotel
• Harrah's
• Hooters
• Jerry's Nugget
• Linq
• Longhorn Casino
• Lucky Club
• Luxor
• Mandalay Bay
• MGM Grand
• Mirage
• New York NY
• Orleans
• Palace Station
• Palazzo
• The Palms
• Paris
• Park MGM
• Planet Hollywood
• Poker Palace
• Rampart
• Red Rock
• Rio
• Sam's Town
• Silver Nugget
• Silver Sevens
• Silverton
• Slots-a-Fun
• SLS
• South Point
• Suncoast
• Texas Station
• Treasure Island
• Tropicana
• Tuscany
• Venetian
• Westgate (formerly LV Hilton)
• Wild Wild West
• Wynn

Quote: DrawingDead

I should tell you that the idea of "Las Vegas proper" can get a bit squirrelly, depending on how pedantic someone wants to get.

This I'm well aware of. As I say on one of the list pages, "I go by postal address for figuring whether in
Vegas or not." For that I count Las Vegas and North Las Vegas.

Having the casinos on my list being ones that nearly everyone considers to be "Vegas" casinos, and excluding those in Henderson, seems to be the best way to draw the line, and that's exactly what I've done.

There are elements that I like and dislike in both lists. For that reason, I refrained from voting.

However, I think rather than making places like the M a footnote at to why it wasn't included, maybe you should create a new category, such as "Elsewhere in the Valley" so that those few locations can be listed.

Maybe, what your site needs is a good map. You may recall that years ago, I created maps for the WoO site that uses the casino logos and includes just the main streets and a couple other important landmarks.

I did four for Mike: Strip, Downtown, Valley and Laughlin.

For whatever reason, the new owners of WoO didn't want to use them, but I bet Mike wouldn't mind if I put your logo on them and give them to you.

There are a couple items I need to update, but here's the Downtown map:

I vote for the second, sortable one.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

However, I think rather than making places like the M a footnote at to why it wasn't included, maybe you should create a new category, such as "Elsewhere in the Valley" so that those few locations can be listed.

That's a good suggestion. The main reason I omitted them was b/c it was more work to look up all the data so I drew the line so I could get my project done. But I've got a note to myself that that's high on the wish list for improvements to the lists.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Maybe, what your site needs is a good map.

Well, I have one. It's a bit long in the tooth, but I'll update it eventually. I do think that lists and maps serve different purposes. But since you mention it, I probably ought to link to the map from the lists pages.

Quote: Wizard

I vote for the second, sortable one.

Oh, you like the data-intensive one? Couldn't see THAT coming! :)

Quote: MichaelBluejay

That's a good suggestion. The main reason I omitted them was b/c it was more work to look up all the data so I drew the line so I could get my project done. But I've got a note to myself that that's high on the wish list for improvements to the lists.

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If/when you're setting out to do that improving through adding, IMO the biggest omissions that really stand out to me are (listed in order of significance): #1-Green Valley Ranch; #2-M Resort; #3-Sunset Station.*

*Besides the potentially fatal criminal negligence of snubbing the fabulous Club Fortune, of course.

Damn, it looks like there are around 38 casinos in Henderson! Maybe some of them are slots-only, which don't meet my definition of "casino". Lots of work, ugh...

If you have a list of 38 casinos in Henderson, I imagine that includes every bar that has 15 slots or so. I can't think of even a dozen.
M, Sunset, Fiesta ,Green Valley ,Jokers Wild, Klondike., the place that just built a hotel. Club Fortune and Railroad Pass.
I don't know where Henderson starts on Boulder Highway but I don't think Sams Town is Henderson. Not sure about Longhorn or Cannery.
Most of the others are slots only, but some are pretty big. The three on Water St., and Barleys are big. Ones like the Wildfires not so big. Then you have your PTs with their 15 or so machines.

Quote: billryan

the place that just built a hotel.

Skyline?

I think a useful screen for being a "real casino" of at least some modest significance would be those with what is called an "unrestricted" gaming license, meaning their license includes approval for running table games, therefore not just a slot warehouse.

I'd vote for sortable.
I'd mainly vote for larger typeface.
pools? number size comments noisy shady brats etc.
It was a long time ago but one casino had a small eigth floor pool. no signage, no directory listing. It was not topless but it was women only.

Quote: MichaelBluejay

Thanks for the correction, DrawingDead. I updated the lists.

Yeah, I don't know what anyone's doing with the list either, but for some reason, it's one of the most popular pages on the site.

Probably an SEO thing. Or a favorable link. I would always have pages that did great for no obvious reason or get ranked really high by the capricious Google gods.

I think a lot of people would like the presorted lists because the touch upon factors they might not consider. Also, everyone uses their phones now and inpuuting stuff is a bit more of a pain.

Quote: Rigondeaux

Probably an SEO thing.

Well yeah, it definitely ranks well, but the thing is, that means lots of people are searching for "list of las vegas casinos". For what reason? I dunno.

Quote: FleaStiff

I'd mainly vote for larger typeface.

Your command is my wish. I added "Larger" and "Smaller" buttons under the Sort controls.

Henderson downtown has Emerald Isle, Rainbow Club, and El Dorado. There are 2 on Boulder La Villita and Points owned by Dotty's. Don't forget Klondike and Skyline.

Tnx. Hope it defaults to large.

Have you ever thought of hiring someone who lives in Hendertucky to go around and keep things updated from time to time.

My poker blogger friend used to prowl the low end casinos and report on specials, points, etc. but she wasn't much good at it and was in jail far too often.

Quote: FleaStiff

Hope it defaults to large.

It doesn't, b/c if it's too big then all the data doesn't fit. But if you want to bump it up, you now have that ability. If you like, I can set a cookie so it remembers your preference.

Quote: FleaStiff

Have you ever thought of hiring someone who lives in Hendertucky to go around and keep things updated from time to time.

Yeah, but there's no point, b/c I wouldn't have time to integrate their data. That's what happened the last time I hired someone. Any time I did spend on that, would be better spent attacking the 1000 items already on my To-Do list, that only I can reasonably do.