Are Forum Rules Being Abused?
Make no mistake I'm not a fan of this poster and I share the general consensus of who it is. If the Wizard bans Altut, I will shed no tears nor will I give it a second thought. I do think it should be his decision.
In the meantime we have a poster who is being banned regardless of content and adherence to the rules, and I just don't think that's the spirit of this forum. The flag post option is great, but so is the temptation to use it.
Quote: benbakdoffAltut has started one thread and made 110 posts since April 9 and everyone of them has disappeared. I assume it's due to flagging and I don't for a minute doubt that it is being done with the best of intentions. Does this mean that all 110 posts were spammy, harassing, illegal in nature, or inappropriate as described in Forum Rule#4? I think we all know the answer to that and it raises the very disturbing issue of censorship.
Make no mistake I'm not a fan of this poster and I share the general consensus of who it is. If the Wizard bans Altut, I will shed no tears no will I give it a second thought. I do think it should be his decision.
In the meantime we have a poster who is being banned regardless of content and adherence to the rules, and I just don't think that's the spirit of this forum. The flag post option is great, but so is the temptation to use it.
Could be. I have flagged maybe 5 posts since I have been here, which is pretty much the month the board opened. Some people get power to flag and take the college-campus method of "If you don't like what someone has to say, don't let them say it!"
Quote: benbakdoffMake no mistake I'm not a fan of this poster and I share the general consensus of who it is. If the Wizard bans Altut, I will shed no tears no will I give it a second thought. I do think it should be his decision.
Altut is JL2 and Jerry Logan. He's already been banned for life twice. Evidently he keeps coming back.
I admit I've flagged all his posts I've come across regardless of content. The way I see it, eh has no right to post here. I expect the Wizard could ban that ccount, but the troll would either sign up another sock puppet, or use a stand-by sock puppet (I don't know he has any, but I'd bet he does). Better if we can get him to go away.
Since my flag is not enough to delete a post, I can only conclude otehr users have joined in this action.
Quote:In the meantime we have a poster who is being banned regardless of content and adherence to the rules, and I just don't think that's the spirit of this forum. The flag post option is great, but so is the temptation to use it.
I agree. But in the case of JerryLogan/JL2/Altut, the ban is already in place.
He will probably be banned soon enough. He has Jerry tendencies (if he isn't Jerry, that is).
Quote: benbakdoffAltut has started one thread and made 110 posts since April 9 and everyone of them has disappeared. I assume it's due to flagging and I don't for a minute doubt that it is being done with the best of intentions. Does this mean that all 110 posts were spammy, harassing, illegal in nature, or inappropriate as described in Forum Rule#4? I think we all know the answer to that and it raises the very disturbing issue of censorship.
Make no mistake I'm not a fan of this poster and I share the general consensus of who it is. If the Wizard bans Altut, I will shed no tears nor will I give it a second thought. I do think it should be his decision.
In the meantime we have a poster who is being banned regardless of content and adherence to the rules, and I just don't think that's the spirit of this forum. The flag post option is great, but so is the temptation to use it.
Flagged.
J/K :^P
I've flagged a few, but they were all spammers. I didn't know it was a "20 points and baleeted" system until the recent revelations; I thought it just notified the modmins who then made the determination to baleet or not to baleet. I do agree that the current method is open to abuse.
Sometimes I get the feeling that I was in a coma a couple weeks ago, because although I keep seeing posts about this guy, I've never seen any posts by him.Quote: benbakdoffAltut has started one thread and made 110 posts since April 9....
Whatever.
Quote: NareedAltut is JL2 and Jerry Logan. He's already been banned for life twice.
Its obvious that he was Jerry/Singer. They are the only people who go out of their way defend Laughlin and ask why nobody goes there.
Quote: EvenBobIts obvious that he was Jerry/Singer. They are the only people who go out of their way defend Laughlin and ask why nobody goes there.
Damn, Bob, you've worked out that I'm another sockpuppet....
Quote: thecesspitDamn, Bob, you've worked out that I'm another sockpuppet....
Its the way Jerry/Singer does it that gives him away. He talks like Laughlin is the best place to play in NV, and nobody else does that. He brings it up when nobody is discussing it.
Quote: EvenBobIts the way Jerry/Singer does it that gives him away. He talks like Laughlin is the best place to play in NV, and nobody else does that. He brings it up when nobody is discussing it.
I know, I'm yanking your chain, JL and his puppets have a certain style. Hopefully no-one mistakes mine for it...
That was enough for me to flag him. For the first time, I might add. That post was gone immediately, so I assume someone else had already flagged it. I've had enough of that shit.
Quote: odiousgambitI'd say really you'd have to be 100% certain about the facts here to do that to the guy, not just 99%,.
Good grief, why? This isn't a courtroom, its a meaningless internet forum.
Quote: rxwineAlut posted "Rob Singer" as the "best in the world" in the best of the world thread.
Oh, he posted that one several times.
Quote: MoscaAre forum rules being abused? No. They are being used to make the forum what the forum users want it to be.
By this algorithm, MKL and JL's participation was not abusive. I disagree.
Clearly, the forum must and should have rules that the users may or may not like. And similarly clearly, it is possible to abuse those rules.
The Nuclear Option does provide for banning disruptive members, even though they are following the rules. That option is for administrators only and thus far they have not chosen to use it against the poster in question.
Quote: benbakdoffThat option is for administrators only and thus far they have not chosen to use it against the poster in question.
Would it be easy to monitor every post on every thread? That's what you expect the Wizard and JB to do?
Anyway, I condemn the following someone around and deleting every single post. Frankly, friends, you too need to get a life.
Quote: benbakdoffThe fact remains that a forum member in good standing who is abiding by the rules is being banned by as little as two members exercising the flagging option. I don't believe that power was intended for forum members and I wouldn't want to see posts busted simply because two members didn't like the poster.
The Nuclear Option does provide for banning disruptive members, even though they are following the rules. That option is for administrators only and thus far they have not chosen to use it against the poster in question.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't have a chance to read his posts but he was not in any way abiding by the rules.
Quote: JimMorrisonI'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't have a chance to read his posts but he was not in any way abiding by the rules.
You're right Jim. I didn't read all 110, but many of the ones I did read seemed harmless enough. I'm not going to bat for this loser but for the entire process. I would like nothing better than to see this person's name in red.
Quote: benbakdoffYou're right Jim. I didn't read all 110, but many of the ones I did read seemed harmless enough. I'm not going to bat for this loser but for the entire process. I would like nothing better than to see this person's name in red.
Some were harmless, I didn't flag any of those. I did flag a lot of his posts though and evidently at least a few other members did or they all wouldn't be gone.
Quote: JimMorrisonSome were harmless, I didn't flag any of those. I did flag a lot of his posts though and evidently at least a few other members did or they all wouldn't be gone.
How do you flag a thread?
Quote: ItsCalledSoccerBy this algorithm, MKL and JL's participation was not abusive. I disagree.
Clearly, the forum must and should have rules that the users may or may not like. And similarly clearly, it is possible to abuse those rules.
I don't think anyone knew about the "double flagging removes a post" rule, or it would have worked wonders against them. Now that it is known, it is doing what it is supposed to do. "JL" and "Rob Singer" aren't banned; the person behind the posts is banned. If that person is posting as "Altut", then cut him off at the pass. If he isn't disruptive it's just a matter of time, and we might as well shut it down now.
Abuse of the rules would be me and someone else teaming up to remove your posts, or you and someone else flagging mine. Keeping a banned person banned, that's what the rules are there for.
Quote: MoscaI don't think anyone knew about the "double flagging removes a post" rule, or it would have worked wonders against them.
Actually double flagging won't remove a post unless both people who flagged are senior members. WOO set up a sliding scale where the longer you've been a member the more weight your flagging has.
Quote: AltutThe only reason my posts disappear is because JimMorrison couldn't handle the truth about the poker sites shutting down. A grown man crying couldn't make his inability to cope with the reality of the situation any clearer.
I'm not JL1 or 2 or Logan or whomever you label him. I am however fairly impressed with his pictures of actual winning he posted, and I am sure his critics are just burning up over them. I've been to Laughlin twice and I like it. You mean no one else besides JL1/2 does? That's where he hit a posted $12,000 winner from isn't it? That explains EvenBob's irritability. He CANNOT be a detective.
Go Canucks!
Get a grip with reality kid. It's obvious who you are and you make no sense when you talk about me and online poker. Get your facts straight. You're JerryLogan/RobSinger/whatever, most telling clue was you writing in the Best thread "Rob Singer is the best video poker player ever". Get a life, you've been banned here numerous times. Do you really have nothing else to do in life that to keep trolling where you clearly aren't welcome?
Quote: JimMorrisonYou're JerryLogan/RobSinger/whatever, most telling clue was you writing in the Best thread "Rob Singer is the best video poker player ever".
Don't argue with the troll. Flag his posts.
Quote: NareedDon't argue with the troll. Flag his posts.
I don't think it's appropriate to flag him in this thread though since it is a discussion about flagging him.
Quote: AltutI am however fairly impressed with his pictures of actual winning he posted, and I am sure his critics are just burning up over them.
LOL! Every single J/S sock puppet never knows who Singer is, but is ALWAYS impressed with him! Amazing coincidence...
My policy on flagging is that it should only be done for the most offensive of posts. When in doubt, don't. Nobody should be routinely flagging posts just because you personally don't like the writer, be it altut, mkl or JL. Only if a new member is obviously spamming should posts be flagged by virtue of the author only.
If I feel the flagging feature is being abused, which I don't for now, I will consider making it more difficult. Hopefully it won't come to that.
Hawaii? Wow. You must have REALLY needed a vacation. (There's no casinos in Hawaii...)Quote: WizardI just returned from a week in Hawaii.
Hope you had fun! Glad to have you back.
Quote: DJTeddyBearHawaii? Wow. You must have REALLY needed a vacation. (There's no casinos in Hawaii...)
Hope you had fun! Glad to have you back.
Thanks. It was strange being almost away from gambling for a week. Still, I kept up on my baseball. The only live gambling I noticed was some public games in the Honolulu Chinatown, one pai gow, and the other 13-card Asia Poker, if I can call it that.
I also made a 10¢ bet with my son on whether Barney's snowplow business (from the Simpsons) was called the Plow King or King Plow. I have Plow King, and we still have not determined who won.
Quote: WizardThanks. It was strange being almost away from gambling for a week. Still, I kept up on my baseball. The only live gambling I noticed was some public games in the Honolulu Chinatown, one pai gow, and the other 13-card Asia Poker, if I can call it that.
I also made a 10¢ bet with my son on whether Barney's snowplow business (from the Simpsons) was called the Plow King or King Plow. I have Plow King, and we still have not determined who won.
Looks like you win. Homer's business was called "Mr. Plow". Barney's was "PLOW KING".
PLOW KING
Quote: TheNightflyLooks like you win. Homer's business was called "Mr. Plow". Barney's was "PLOW KING".
Thanks. Like taking money from a baby, or in this case, a 9-year-old.
Quote: WizardI also made a 10¢ bet with my son on whether Barney's snowplow business (from the Simpsons) was called the Plow King or King Plow. I have Plow King, and we still have not determined who won.
Don't go wild with your new found riches! Can you even buy a gumball with 10¢ these days? (you needn't answer that, I was just kind of wondering to myself)
Quote: WizardThanks. Like taking money from a baby, or in this case, a 9-year-old.
You could let him martingale on the name of Mr Burns' oil company....
If he decides he wants to be a productive member of the community and stop trolling and insulting, he shouldn't worry about getting his posts busted.
If I lay off, other people will bust him or he will be banned eventually, anyway. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now. But trust me, you won't like it.
Quote: teddysI'm quite certain nobody has anything to worry about unless their name is Altut.
I admit I flagged 2 Altut posts last night because he was so obviously JL. He was bragging about how great Singer was and I had no idea his posts would disappear when I flagged them. I thought it would just be brought to the attention of a mod. My bad...
Then people can view who and what was flagged. And if you've established a way to track flaggers you can ultimatly punish them, if necessary.
