Discussion about the Suspension List
Quote: MrVQuote: beachbumbabsThis seems appropriate in this case to me; I can be overruled, and if either party wants to make an appeal, they are welcome to do it.
Excellent, now we're getting somewhere.
Can you please post a link to the board's rules of Appellate Procedure?
Can Amicus briefs be submitted by non-parties?
Are sanctions imposed if the appeal is lost?
Who is the final arbiter? let me guess
This is not news; there have been any number of times all of the mods have changed or modified a suspension. If I as a member wanted something reviewed, I'd ask Mission.
Quote: aceofspadesWIZARD, MISSION or BBB
I am submitting here my formal request for you to delete my account. You can also block my IP address from forming a new account. I used to come to this forum because it was fun and I thoroughly enjoyed the back and forth. However, it has become petty and argumentative. I am no longer having fun.
All 3 of you know how to get in touch with me off the site if need be in the future but, I sincerely ask you delete my account. Thank you.
I love how I get left out of all the official requests. Seriously =)
I'm not mentioned, so I'll talk to you as a dude and not a green-name. Been meaning to do this for awhile anyways...
I think AC is gross and BJ to be one of the stupidest games in the casino. But I still tune into every AoS TR. I do so because you're an OK guy. The fact that the topic of your posts and indeed your profession are things I all dislike doesn't stop me from enjoying you.
When EB began to light into you back in the day, I was anxious. I thought it was gonna be another silly dust up and another guy who had beef with EB. But you rolled with it. You made it funny. You didn't take yourself too seriously and you made it interesting. You did that.
That made me an AoS fan. Finally, someone who didn't take all of everything to heart and could just be. You did it with him, you did it with Buzz, you did it with all the people crying about SC. Good job.
With this last, I dunno. Maybe it's because people are calling you a liar, I dunno. But who cares what they think? Yes, your experiences boggle the laws of probability. Some people just can't see past that. I know I have stories I no longer tell either, simply because it got tiring trying to prove what I could not, despite knowing it happened. If we calculated every one of our life experiences, we probably all have experienced things just as improbable. Hell, we're all here, aren't we?
I can't delete an account and wouldn't if I could. It's not my property. I can ban you and any accounts under your IP. If that's what you want, fine. But I'll give you a bit to think it over. Posting the "AoS Lying" thread, threatening to leave, that's beneath the guy who drew me into his threads. If it really bothers you that much, then go, and be well. But think over what's really got you bothered, and whether it's worth leaving the good experiences behind.
Quote: FaceI love how I get left out of all the official requests. Seriously =)
I'm not mentioned, so I'll talk to you as a dude and not a green-name. Been meaning to do this for awhile anyways...
I think AC is gross and BJ to be one of the stupidest games in the casino. But I still tune into every AoS TR. I do so because you're an OK guy. The fact that the topic of your posts and indeed your profession are things I all dislike doesn't stop me from enjoying you.
When EB began to light into you back in the day, I was anxious. I thought it was gonna be another silly dust up and another guy who had beef with EB. But you rolled with it. You made it funny. You didn't take yourself too seriously and you made it interesting. You did that.
That made me an AoS fan. Finally, someone who didn't take all of everything to heart and could just be. You did it with him, you did it with Buzz, you did it with all the people crying about SC. Good job.
With this last, I dunno. Maybe it's because people are calling you a liar, I dunno. But who cares what they think? Yes, your experiences boggle the laws of probability. Some people just can't see past that. I know I have stories I no longer tell either, simply because it got tiring trying to prove what I could not, despite knowing it happened. If we calculated every one of our life experiences, we probably all have experienced things just as improbable. Hell, we're all here, aren't we?
I can't delete an account and wouldn't if I could. It's not my property. I can ban you and any accounts under your IP. If that's what you want, fine. But I'll give you a bit to think it over. Posting the "AoS Lying" thread, threatening to leave, that's beneath the guy who drew me into his threads. If it really bothers you that much, then go, and be well. But think over what's really got you bothered, and whether it's worth leaving the good experiences behind.
Exactly. +1000. Thanks, Face; I didn't put my finger on the tipping point, and I think you did it well.
Quote: FaceI can ban you and any accounts under your IP. If that's what you want, fine. But I'll give you a bit to think it over. Posting the "AoS Lying" thread, threatening to leave, that's beneath the guy who drew me into his threads. If it really bothers you that much, then go, and be well. But think over what's really got you bothered, and whether it's worth leaving the good experiences behind.
While it might be "beneath" the AoS that enjoyed posting here and interacting with members, a few rotten apples have indeed spoiled my time here and I would rather leave with fond memories than stick around and be sucked into more arguments.
As for your inability to delete my account, you did state that you can permanently ban me…it is bittersweet to say but:
THANK YOU IMMENSELY WIZARD FOR THIS VALUABLE AND INFORMATIVE SITE! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND YOU KNOW HOW TO REACH ME.
Quote: aceofspades
As for your inability to delete my account, you did state that you can permanently ban me…it is bittersweet to say but:
Ace, i enjoyed your posts and also admired you until this point. Why would anyone ask a moderator to ban them? Just don't come here if you don't want to. In this instance, your actions remind my of a child.
Quote: DRichAce, i enjoyed your posts and also admired you until this point. Why would anyone ask a moderator to ban them? Just don't come here if you don't want to. In this instance, your actions remind my of a child.
So what is the difference between being banned and never coming here? Why does it make a difference to you?
I have no energy left to deal with the theoreticians who never put their own money where their mouths are.
I wish you everything of the best my brother!!! You know where to find me when you come out to Vegas.
Look us up, we'll get weird :)
Take it easy bro!
Quote: aceofspadesQuote: FaceI can ban you and any accounts under your IP. If that's what you want, fine. But I'll give you a bit to think it over. Posting the "AoS Lying" thread, threatening to leave, that's beneath the guy who drew me into his threads. If it really bothers you that much, then go, and be well. But think over what's really got you bothered, and whether it's worth leaving the good experiences behind.
While it might be "beneath" the AoS that enjoyed posting here and interacting with members, a few rotten apples have indeed spoiled my time here and I would rather leave with fond memories than stick around and be sucked into more arguments.
As for your inability to delete my account, you did state that you can permanently ban me…it is bittersweet to say but:
THANK YOU IMMENSELY WIZARD FOR THIS VALUABLE AND INFORMATIVE SITE! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND YOU KNOW HOW TO REACH ME.
Hard to argue with a hilarious send off. Sure beats a fire-inducing resignation PM.
By the power imbued unto me by The Wiz, I hereby ban you to the Out, from this moment until the end of moments, when space and time disintegrate into the the ether from whence it came.
Or until you ask to come back. Whichever happens first.
Good luck, AoS. May all your table mates allow Surrender.
Quote: aceofspadesSo what is the difference between being banned and never coming here? Why does it make a difference to you?
I have no energy left to deal with the theoreticians who never put their own money where their mouths are.
because by asking to be banned in a thread is like saying... hey look at me, I am not coming here anymore. Just another way to seek attention. You could have 1. simply not come to the site anymore, or 2. PM the mods asking for your deletion. There was no need to put that out there publicly.
When I was frequenting snopes.com's message board, they had a rule that if you publicly announced you were "LEAVING THE FORUM!!11!11!1", you had better mean it because you would be permanently banned. The rule served them well, and an online community I was involved with adopted the rule with equal success.
Perhaps the Wizard would do well to consider such a rule?
Quote: DeucekiesNot that it's any of my business, but I want to throw something out there in regards to what GWAE is saying about publicly announcing a departure/requesting a ban.
When I was frequenting snopes.com's message board, they had a rule that if you publicly announced you were "LEAVING THE FORUM!!11!11!1", you had better mean it because you would be permanently banned. The rule served them well, and an online community I was involved with adopted the rule with equal success.
Perhaps the Wizard would do well to consider such a rule?
I don't think we're big enough to need a mechanism in place. I can remember, what, 5 voluntaries? Only two of which made a habit of it, only one of which made a clown show over it. And that clown show was years ago.
One or two voluntaries a year? It'd be more work to type out the rule than it is to deal with the problem =)
I never called you a liar or doubted anything you wrote. Give me a knife. This might require an apology written in blood.
I'd do it in a heartbeat !
As far as Popeye goes , Ace remember what Little Beaver said when he grew up That is more important and is my mantra !
Quote: aceofspadesHowever, it has become petty and argumentative.
You must of missed Logan and MKL years ago when it was petty and argumentative.
Still think we should have a double-block mechanism. Ace blocks Howmany and Howmany's block is auto turned on for Ace. Neither can bother or see either. So one would have to risk nuking making more accounts to interact.
Anyone using a block turns on the other person's block. Matter and anti-matter can no longer worry each other for as long as one of them wants to maintain it.
Quote: rxwineYou must of missed Logan and MKL years ago when it was petty and argumentative.
Still think we should have a double-block mechanism. Ace blocks Howmany and Howmany's block is auto turned on for Ace. Neither can bother or see either. So one would have to risk nuking making more accounts to interact.
Anyone using a block turns on the other person's block. Matter and anti-matter can no longer worry each other for as long as one of them wants to maintain it.
Excellent Idea.
Quote: rxwineYou must of missed Logan and MKL years ago when it was petty and argumentative.
Still think we should have a double-block mechanism. Ace blocks Howmany and Howmany's block is auto turned on for Ace. Neither can bother or see either. So one would have to risk nuking making more accounts to interact.
Anyone using a block turns on the other person's block. Matter and anti-matter can no longer worry each other for as long as one of them wants to maintain it.
I think that this is a bad idea. If you post to a public forum, anyone can read it. You should not get to choose who does and doesn't read things that you post publicly.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI think that this is a bad idea. If you post to a public forum, anyone can read it. You should not get to choose who does and doesn't read things that you post publicly.
Yes, wear your big boy pants (big girl trousers), and if the public acts like jerks, then just walk away. YOU don't own THEM anything.
#1. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE ME< WE ARE EVEN
My favorite #2 NEVER BE AFRAID OF ANYONE WHO TURNS THEIR BACK OR GOES TO SLEEP
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceYou should not get to choose who does and doesn't read things that you post publicly.
Okay, but give me some logical reason, instead of just that one shouldn't have a choice.
I don't necessarily see it happening anyway, but curious to what purpose you want to selectively enforce who one chooses to speak to.
It's a curious definition of free speech where I have to speak to everyone, no matter what. Hello NSA!
edit: that should be, that you wouldn't allow someone to selectively enforce
Quote: rxwineOkay, but give me some logical reason, instead of just that one shouldn't have a choice.
I don't necessarily see it happening anyway, but curious to what purpose you want to selectively enforce who one chooses to speak to.
It's a curious definition of free speech where I have to speak to everyone, no matter what. Hello NSA!
No one said that you could not speak to people privately. But, this is a public forum.
Also, even when you speak to people "privately", you are really giving up your right to the privacy of what you said, since any of the people who you spoke to could share it.
And that's exactly the idea.
Sure, no one is crossing any lines, but this incessant need to call everyone out as soon as they make a claim that seems even a little bit out of the realm of normal, is getting old.
If you don't believe 18 yo's in a row, or 20 straight BJ losses, or that I parlayed 5 horn bets in a row, fine. Probably 90% of the other readers don't either. But there is no need to flame the author and demand proof. It doesn't prove a D**N thing either way.
As I said in another post, if I am posting a claim about the best way to play a game, and it is not sound, then pound away. This site is here to help gamblers understand what they are up against, and calling BS on stupid systems is certainly one of the great things about this site. This needs to continue.
I will miss the AoS TR. They were entertaining. It was fun to watch them, knowing a train wreck was coming, but yet, many times the train did, in fact, stay on the tracks, and yet once again the math that is against us, failed to rule the game.
AoS, take some time, think it over, and come back. Either learn to not report that which will be highly questioned, OR, just ignore the people who call you out.
I have many 'battles' with the math geeks on the site over the way I play craps, as the math says I am playing less efficiently than I should. My contention is I will never play enough to make the law of large numbers work, so there is nothing to be gained by playing maximum efficiency. Most (maybe ALL) do not buy my argument, and that is fine. I will never convince them, and they have not been able to sway me yet. My results at the tables are not doing anything to make me believe any less about the way I am playing (over a dozen wins of 3x-5x my buy in), and quite a few bust outs, which is about what my style says is going to happen.
But we manage to coexist in relative peace. You could too.
As for the way ace made his exit, those guys who feel like it was childish or attention seeking, just remember the place from where it had come. He was angry, disappointed and upset. He wanted to make it public that he had had enough of being branded a liar and being called names when, according to him he did nothing but be straight up about what happened.
Put yourself in his shoes. Perhaps, even for just a second you may have reacted the same way he did even if it was in the heat of the moment.
Let the guy express his anger any way he chooses. When he personally attacks you then you can do whatever it is to him. Just let it go.......you don't always need to voice opinions about everything.
I think ace will be sorely missed as he gave a nice dimention to this site and his TR's were a lot of fun.
Until next time buddy!
First, I'd like to thank BBB for the post defending my 30-day suspension of LarryS. Let me remind everyone that while self-effacing humor is allowed, it doesn't give others the right to jump on and expand upon it. Larry has also been a problem member since he got here and was on very thin ice when he made the given remark. My advice to him is that his next insult will probably be his last, so he may as well go out in a blaze of glory the next time he gets out his poison pen.
Regarding Ace, I'm sorry to see his resignation and I'd be happy to see his un-resignation request any time. I also don't doubt the surrender by mutual agreement story. I've annoyed black-chip-betting recreational players lots of times with surrendering. They don't know what it is, but feel it is disrupting the flow somehow. Also, what would be Ace's reason to lie?
Finally, follow me on Twitter or Facebook if you want to know what I'm up to this month. Had a story-worthy incident at the Rolling Hills casino earlier today that I'll try to write about shortly.
Let it be known that I will be RESIGNING from this forum for the period of the next 7-8 hours, while I am asleep. During this time I will NOT post and I will not even visit this site!
EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY for the next 7 to 8 hours!
Good night, and good luck.
Quote: sodawater
Let it be known that I will be RESIGNING from this forum for the period of the next 7-8 hours, while I am asleep. During this time I will NOT post and I will not even visit this site!
EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY for the next 7 to 8 hours!
Good night, and good luck.
lol :)
I think he deserved to be nuked , and a punch in the mouth. Using an analogy about setting your own house on fire when talking about a MAN trying to provide for his family !
Larry S reminds me of that fat dopehead on the radio. Both have all the answers and none of the solutions !
His legions of followers will find he is on an appropriate forum befitting his knowledge in all thing , especially gambling.
His new habitat is that of John Patrick.
Quote: Buzzard************** " First, I'd like to thank BBB for the post defending my 30-day suspension of LarryS. **********
I think he deserved to be nuked , and a punch in the mouth. Using an analogy about setting your own house on fire when talking about a MAN trying to provide for his family !
Larry S reminds me of that fat dopehead on the radio. Both have all the answers and none of the solutions !
His legions of followers will find he is on an appropriate forum befitting his knowledge in all thing , especially gambling.
His new habitat is that of John Patrick.
I have long since blocked him and his diatribes....Just a pity I don't have a personal nuke option whereby I don't even have to see when he posts and also I don't have to see his quotes in other people's posts......
He means that little to me.
Ace and his Popeye That's all I can stand. I can't stands no more.
I was beyond to the point of what Little Beaver said when he grew up.
Quote: RaleighCraps
If you don't believe 18 yo's in a row, or 20 straight BJ losses, or that I parlayed 5 horn bets in a row, fine. Probably 90% of the other readers don't either. But there is no need to flame the author and demand proof. It doesn't prove a D**N thing either way.
Well said. If Ace wasn't telling the truth or miscounting the amount of hands in a row, was it really a big deal? Is his story going to mislead some less informed gambler? Doubtful.
And like the Wizard, I tend to believe the AC surrender story, mainly because of all the things I read about AC on here. It sounds like they rarely can do anything right.
Quote: tringlomaneWell said. If Ace wasn't telling the truth or miscounting the amount of hands in a row, was it really a big deal? Is his story going to mislead some less informed gambler? Doubtful.
So if somebody says something that is clearly wrong, we are all supposed to walk on eggshells lest we offend his delicate sensibilities? If everyone stormed off in a huff every time they were called on a mistake there would be no one left here.
Quote: aceofspades
Wheelie?!?!
kthxbye.
Should be the mantra for this thread.
+10Quote: AxiomOfChoiceIf everyone stormed off in a huff every time they were called on a mistake there would be no one left here.
Quote: Buzzard*Larry S reminds me of that fat dopehead on the radio. !
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Why bring Ed Schultz into this? I didn't even know you listened to him.
+1 ;->Quote: ten2winJune: "Ward, you were pretty rough on the Beaver last night!"
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceSo if somebody says something that is clearly wrong, we are all supposed to walk on eggshells lest we offend his delicate sensibilities? If everyone stormed off in a huff every time they were called on a mistake there would be no one left here.
If ultimately it is really immaterial, why not just ignore it? OTOH, for the sake of accuracy, I have no objection to someone asking, are you really sure the count was X, or the number of events was Y? But once the poster reaffirms their statement, Now what good does it do if 10 others all pile on asking for proof, and then pointing out that this event is a 1 in a 14.16 million? Still doesn't mean it didn't happen as the poster described.
Again, it is all about context. If it is a recounting of a tale, WGAS if it really happened. If it is somebody touting a system? Completely different situation, and one that should be attacked repeatedly with facts.
I parlayed the hard 4 last night 3 straight times and won $4,000. - I might get asked if I am sure it was 3 straight, or someone might point out that it is a 1 in x000 chance of happening, but in the end, it all means nothing.
I have a new way to play craps. If you parlay the hardways numbers 3x, you can turn $100 in to $4000. It worked for me last night, and it will work for you too. Best way to make money at craps. - Everyone with good input, and those that can show how unlikely this is too happen should start hammering away, and not let up until the poster leaves, or retracts.
It's all about the context.
I have seen some stuff at the craps tables that I KNOW for a fact happened. And it is not selective recall, as I have confirmed what just happened with others at the table. But I don't write about it here, because it is just too unbelievable. I have no way of proving it, and the chance of it having happened is too small. In the end, some would find it as a good story, most would think I was making it up, and what little cred I do have, is gone, so I choose not to report the really insane stuff.
on the other hand, I was glad to see this post, which I still say is an excellent exercise in logic:
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceIt doesn't matter who was there. If we take everything that you have claimed at face value, then there are two possibilities:
1. You lost 30 hands in a row
2. You made an error somewhere (missed a dealer error, or miscounted the number of hands, or forgot about a push)
What probability do you assign to option #2? You think that it's less than 1 in a billion?
Suppose that you would only make an error like that 1 time in a thousand (and, IMO, that is extremely generous -- no one's memory is that good). Then there is still a 99.9999% chance that you did not lose 30 hands in a row.
So, no, I am not absolutely sure that you are wrong. I am only 99.9999% sure that you are wrong. I admit that there is, perhaps, a 0.0001% chance that you are correct.
The reason that we are coming to different conclusions is that you seem to believe that you are infallible, and are therefore assigning a probability of 0 to event #2. I, on the other hand, believe that everyone makes mistakes sometimes, and therefore assign a non-zero probability to event #2.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/blackjack/18322-vegas-vacation-with-aos/78/#post367008
As to the discussion about the events leading up to his resignation, I think Ace was his own worst enemy. When others questioned some of the highly unlikely events that may have or may not have occurred, Ace on more than one occasion wrote that those who were doing the questioning were calling him a liar. From what I read, that isn't the case, they were questioning the memory of someone who was in a bad place emotionally, which is a very fair thing to question. Ace could have diffused the situation by conceding that there was a possibility that the way his memory of the events (number of hands, loss v push, etc.) may not be be accurate, without trying to assert that he was 100% sure of the events, the implication being that his memory is infallible. This just created more problems. Or, more simply, he could have had his say and moved on without engaging others in the back and forth that went on for far too many pages.
And then, when the dust was starting to settle, to open a new thread with the title 'Another lying Ace TR' was unnecessary. He seems overly sensitive to the situation, and seemingly looking for trouble. The kicker was the public resignation. If you don't want to be part of the forum, then don't log in. It's really that simple. The public resignation appeared to me like a 'look at me moment', almost as if he was attempting to garner sympathy for the way he was treated when, in my opinion, he was fueling the fire.
+100Quote: MidwestAP
And then, when the dust was starting to settle, to open a new thread with the title 'Another lying Ace TR' was unnecessary. He seems overly sensitive to the situation, and seemingly looking for trouble. The kicker was the public resignation. If you don't want to be part of the forum, then don't log in. It's really that simple. The public resignation appeared to me like a 'look at me moment', almost as if he was attempting to garner sympathy for the way he was treated when, in my opinion, he was fueling the fire.
I enjoyed his trip reports, seems like a nice guy, but this is definitely lame given he bade his farewell March 17, 2013.
Quote: MidwestAPI always enjoyed aceofspades trip reports. They were detailed, focused primarily on his blackjack activities, and the best part is they were close to real time as contrasted with reports that come in days or weeks later. I frankly don't care if he uses speed count, no count, or any other method, it's his money to do with as he wishes. I think it's worth pointing out that if he was using a count that was truly an advantage, the detail of he reports would have easily provided enough information for the casino's to identify him and back him off.
As to the discussion about the events leading up to his resignation, I think Ace was his own worst enemy. When others questioned some of the highly unlikely events that may have or may not have occurred, Ace on more than one occasion wrote that those who were doing the questioning were calling him a liar. From what I read, that isn't the case, they were questioning the memory of someone who was in a bad place emotionally, which is a very fair thing to question. Ace could have diffused the situation by conceding that there was a possibility that the way his memory of the events (number of hands, loss v push, etc.) may not be be accurate, without trying to assert that he was 100% sure of the events, the implication being that his memory is infallible. This just created more problems. Or, more simply, he could have had his say and moved on without engaging others in the back and forth that went on for far too many pages.
And then, when the dust was starting to settle, to open a new thread with the title 'Another lying Ace TR' was unnecessary. He seems overly sensitive to the situation, and seemingly looking for trouble. The kicker was the public resignation. If you don't want to be part of the forum, then don't log in. It's really that simple. The public resignation appeared to me like a 'look at me moment', almost as if he was attempting to garner sympathy for the way he was treated when, in my opinion, he was fueling the fire.
Very well stated. And Ace, as an attorney, has to know how unreliable even the best intentioned eyewitness testimony can be. I've often felt many of the stories on here are generally unbelievable, and as a previous poster stated, more LIKELY to be false than true. As you all know, I continuously call out people who say they can influence the dice, beat baccarat without cheating, etc.... I don't think I am calling them liars, but rather, 'mis-rememberers'!
This is Ace's second voluntary withdrawal. I'd bet there will be a third in the future.....
As a writer, hyperbole is a rookie mistake. You don't write, "I lost 30 hands in a row," you write, "It felt like I lost 30 hands in a row" or "I must have lost 30 hands in a row"... Just something to let the reader know you aren''t to be taken literally, that you weren't sitting there writing down the results.
But Ace isn't a writer, he's a lawyer. And while he's a good writer for a lawyer, he's best at being a lawyer. And lawyers don't deal in feelings, they deal in facts. So he's got to double down on the facts as he's presented them... and it gets ugly.
Too bad. Ace is a good guy.
Gambling money produces different value and different results for different people. In the end, it is supposed to produce pleasure, either through income or through winning and thrills. I know I'm not supposed to play 3 Card Poker, but I want the thrill of picking up A-K-Q of spades, even if i know that i should place that bet 40 times on the ante for better odds; so what. If i wanted to make money, I'd have gone to work instead. The guy wants to play speed count at blackjack, let him, it's his fun. Different guy than you.
Quote: rxwineStill think we should have a double-block mechanism. Ace blocks Howmany and Howmany's block is auto turned on for Ace. Neither can bother or see either. So one would have to risk nuking making more accounts to interact.
That's such a good idea it will never be implemented. Good ideas seldom are, alas.
Not to knock on the mod squad here (not really), but there seems to be little understanding of the usefulness of blocking irritating, obnoxious, bothersome or otherwise unpleasant members. Nor the annoyance of finding a reply on one's thread, only to be from a blocked user.
Quote:Anyone using a block turns on the other person's block. Matter and anti-matter can no longer worry each other for as long as one of them wants to maintain it.
My assumption is the user blocked could unblock the user who blocked them. But at least they'd known they were blocked.
At the very least the mods could use a variant ont he Pinterest notification. There when a user follows you, you get an invitation to follow them in return. Here it would be "X has blocked you. Do you want to block them?" That would be enough.
Quote: MoscaBut Ace isn't a writer, he's a lawyer. And while he's a good writer for a lawyer, he's best at being a lawyer. And lawyers don't deal in feelings, they deal in facts. So he's got to double down on the facts as he's presented them... and it gets ugly.
Ace practices Family Law, an area where, for all practical purposes, the Rules of Evidence are ignored, most especially when seeking pretrial temporary orders based solely on affidavits / declarations and argument by attorneys (no testimonial hearings in the initial stages of such a case in many jurisdictions).
In such an environment, assertions are vigorously challenged and contested, and the lawyers involved better be thick-skinned and know how to play the game.
I am reminded of a tale from the bench: one morning on the Family Law motion docket two lawyers were arguing their case, each one making claims of "fact" diametrically opposed to the assertions of the other.
Nothing unusual there: it is the fodder of Family Law.
The commissioner hearing the case snapped.
He slammed down a book for attention, glared menacingly at the lawyers, and said "I am sick and tired of people coming into my courtroom and lying."
He paused for effect, holding the glare, then said "Alright, continue."
Point being: Lawyers are advocates; so long as they don't run afoul of ethical rules, they are free to argue pretty much whatever their client tells them is true, regardless as to how ridiculous it may sound.
Lawyers are paid to argue, to plot, to scheme, and in the end, to "win."
It's a pretty rough sandbox to play in, and no, those aren't Tootsie Rolls lying there in the corner.
My ex wife did all of that for free. (cue rimshot)Quote: MrVLawyers are paid to argue, to plot, to scheme, and in the end, to "win."
I know Buzz is the one-liner guy but I couldn't resist.
