Is there a rule against calling out a member?

I sometimes see on other boards where a member attempts to call out other members in order to fight them.

My question: were such a thing to happen at WoV, would the mods allow it?

Seems to me it could be a violation of rules eight and twelve, if strictly construed.

Probably Rule 12. I would think Rule 8 would depend on the jurisdiction of the parties involved.

Generally, if two people want to fight, there’s usually a legal way that can happen.

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I sometimes see on another board where a member attempts to call out other members in order to fight them.

My question: were such a thing to happen at WoV, would the mods allow it?

Seems to me it could be a violation of rules eight and twelve, if strictly construed.
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It would not be allowed.

Rules 12, 18, 8, and possibly 19 would come into play.

Importing "drama" from elsewhere is also generally discouraged, but this would seem to be a relevant question on forum rules.

Yeah, I wondered about the "importing" from another site issue when I framed the question, but it seemed timely and relevant.

Thanks for the (expected) answer / clarification.

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I sometimes see on other boards where a member attempts to call out other members in order to fight them.

Didn't that happen with JerryLogan challenging mkl123456? Mkl just said "no," and life quickly went on.

I realized I missed 1.

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If you disagree with another forum member, politely attack the writing, not the writer.
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I'll take a misquoting penalty as directed, but I honestly think either interpretation of "attack" applies.

FWIW I don't think a misquoting penalty is warranted; people can agree on many things yet still want to claw one another's eyes out.

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You are sentenced to telling the forum a joke of your choosing.

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You are sentenced to telling the forum a joke of your choosing.
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Please see penalty service here.

"You're too mathematical" is an insult, is it not? e.g. lacks empathy

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"You're too mathematical" is an insult, is it not? e.g. lacks empathy
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I thought I understood mathematicism to be a binary condition - one either is or is not mathematical.

With that in mind, accusing someone of being "too mathematical" would seem to be the speaker indicting themselves for being insufficiently mathematical, which is to say non-mathematical.

Maybe a perfect logician wants to correct me?

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"You're too mathematical" is an insult, is it not? e.g. lacks empathy
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I thought I understood mathematicism to be a binary condition - one either is or is not mathematical.

With that in mind, accusing someone of being "too mathematical" would seem to be the speaker indicting themselves for being insufficiently mathematical, which is to say non-mathematical.

Maybe a perfect logician wants to correct me?
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I'm someone who might be considered" non-mathematical". I was an honor student in every subject but math. Never understood the binary system or why we needed to learn different base values. I failed geometry in 10th grade and again in summer school, as I had a horrible teacher who would assign homework and then spend most of the class going over yesterday's assignments. I took it a third time, with a different teacher and ended up getting a 96 on the Regents. My old teacher literally accused me of cheating, telling the math department that there was no way I went from getting a 56 on the summer Regents to a 96 a year later. I explained that this time I had a teacher who did more than fuss with the overhead projector. They pulled a random old Regents and had me take it in front of a proctor. I got a 93, but no apologies.
In college, I dropped out of Logic , Sets, and Numbers twice, but got an A the third time as I had a teacher who reached me.

Math is a foreign language to me, but luckily I can afford interpreters.

Geometry is a totally different subject than the preceding algebra. I was in advanced math, an 8th grader in 9th grade math with a blowhard algebra teacher who was also the HS basketball coach who drew much hate on his photo at the local college where he graduated. There was new spit on his photo every week in the gym halls. His son was in my in my class and that was a bit dismal. After each test we all got assigned new seats based on our scores. Row 1 by the scenic windows started with the top grades and the lowest grades were near the hall door. I got B's and A's most of the time and a 98 on the Regents final.

Geometry absolutely terrified me, it was totally foreign to me. I can't remember all the things I had to remember to get the 100 grade on my Regents final. I thought I'd flunk out long before finals in the first month but somehow I turned it around.

Then at the HS I wound up in Algebra II with the 11th graders and that was even more bizarre. My grades suffered but I hit the 90's on the Regents final.

Then I had Pre-Calculus with the 12th graders and a really bad teacher who I also had for another class. She really should have retired 10 years before. I was barely passing but I got in the 90's on the Regents final. I had her again for the next year for Calculus and suffered another near failing year, but still pulled a 90+ on the Regents final. Then there was a school wide math test and after 2 years of low grades I really surprised all my peers by getting the top score in the school! Somehow I think they were looking for someone besides the real winner to pin this award on, but it's not out of the question I won it.

I mostly operate on my calculator with 7th grade math nowadays.

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"You're too mathematical" is an insult, is it not? e.g. lacks empathy
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I thought I understood mathematicism to be a binary condition - one either is or is not mathematical.

With that in mind, accusing someone of being "too mathematical" would seem to be the speaker indicting themselves for being insufficiently mathematical, which is to say non-mathematical.

Maybe a perfect logician wants to correct me?
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I'm someone who might be considered" non-mathematical". I was an honor student in every subject but math. Never understood the binary system or why we needed to learn different base values. I failed geometry in 10th grade and again in summer school, as I had a horrible teacher who would assign homework and then spend most of the class going over yesterday's assignments. I took it a third time, with a different teacher and ended up getting a 96 on the Regents. My old teacher literally accused me of cheating, telling the math department that there was no way I went from getting a 56 on the summer Regents to a 96 a year later. I explained that this time I had a teacher who did more than fuss with the overhead projector. They pulled a random old Regents and had me take it in front of a proctor. I got a 93, but no apologies.
In college, I dropped out of Logic , Sets, and Numbers twice, but got an A the third time as I had a teacher who reached me.

Math is a foreign language to me, but luckily I can afford interpreters.
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Heck of a story.
Having spent some time with teachers, it reads to me more like an indictment of old forms of pedagogy, rather than you being non-mathematical.

My ex-wife made stupid amounts of money as a private math tutor, because the main lecturers' style just didn't "click" with a handful of students. You're certainly not alone in that.

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"You're too mathematical" is an insult, is it not? e.g. lacks empathy
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I thought I understood mathematicism to be a binary condition - one either is or is not mathematical.

With that in mind, accusing someone of being "too mathematical" would seem to be the speaker indicting themselves for being insufficiently mathematical, which is to say non-mathematical.

Maybe a perfect logician wants to correct me?
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See, I don’t think you understood when I said “lacking empathy”

It’s like accusing Spock of only calculating the number of losses without emotion. (Which I think McCoy was regularly accusing him of.)

Or the saying “one life lost is a tragedy, A million is a statistic”

Or Lex Luther only seeing the value of his real estate gain when he hits the California fault line sinking part of California into the Pacific and leaving him beachfront property.

It’s pure calculation without empathy.

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"You're too mathematical" is an insult, is it not? e.g. lacks empathy
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I thought I understood mathematicism to be a binary condition - one either is or is not mathematical.

With that in mind, accusing someone of being "too mathematical" would seem to be the speaker indicting themselves for being insufficiently mathematical, which is to say non-mathematical.

Maybe a perfect logician wants to correct me?
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See, I don’t think you understood when I said “lacking empathy”

It’s like accusing Spock of only calculating the number of losses without emotion. (Which I think McCoy was regularly accusing him of.)

Or the saying “one life lost is a tragedy, A million is a statistic”

Or Lex Luther only seeing the value of his real estate gain when he hits the California fault line sinking part of California into the Pacific and leaving him beachfront property.

It’s pure calculation without empathy.
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Approximately 8000 people die in the U.S. each day and I rarely would have empathy for any of them.

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"You're too mathematical" is an insult, is it not? e.g. lacks empathy
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I thought I understood mathematicism to be a binary condition - one either is or is not mathematical.

With that in mind, accusing someone of being "too mathematical" would seem to be the speaker indicting themselves for being insufficiently mathematical, which is to say non-mathematical.

Maybe a perfect logician wants to correct me?
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See, I don’t think you understood when I said “lacking empathy”

It’s like accusing Spock of only calculating the number of losses without emotion. (Which I think McCoy was regularly accusing him of.)

Or the saying “one life lost is a tragedy, A million is a statistic”

Or Lex Luther only seeing the value of his real estate gain when he hits the California fault line sinking part of California into the Pacific and leaving him beachfront property.

It’s pure calculation without empathy.
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Approximately 8000 people die in the U.S. each day and I rarely would have empathy for any of them.
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Well when we need people to run the real “Soylent Green” plant, I’m sure you’ll get a call..

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Heck of a story.
Having spent some time with teachers, it reads to me more like an indictment of old forms of pedagogy, rather than you being non-mathematical.

My ex-wife made stupid amounts of money as a private math tutor, because the main lecturers' style just didn't "click" with a handful of students. You're certainly not alone in that.
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My internet friend the ex Catholic priest who was a math teacher for 45 years made tons of money after he retired as a math tutor. He was busy right up till he died at age 87. He was popular because he was a good teacher but he only charged $30 an hour which is cheap compared to these other people who do it. He didn't need the money, he invested all his earnings and was really rich when he died. He did it cuz he loved math.