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September 5th, 2021 at 10:19:59 AM permalink
Quote: lilredrooster

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my two cents worth
it would be good to give the Mod(s), especially new ones a little bit of a break
cut them a little bit of slack

a lot of this stuff is in a gray area and comes down to a judgment call

if a Center bangs away in the lane in hoops trying to get postion_________
some refs will call a foul and some won't - one is not wrong and one is not right

same deal here

getting suspended is not the end of the world - getting nuked is tougher and may require some explanation


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    Interesting post. The common saying amongst officials is "the fans come to watch the game. Not you officiate." Generally speaking, tough calls like a block/charge 50% will disagree no matter what. In spite of that particular rule reading, each official has his own view and some there own philosophy.

    Now, as for the Centers in the post. The old unwritten rule was allowing some banging until the player becomes a shooter. Then dont allow him to be touched. The lower the post the less banging allowed.

    So, as a Coach, like in forums, we adjusted to the officials. It was the officials job to set the tone early.

    A zone defense (before 3 pointers) was to allow low percentage shots from the perimeter. Deny the paint. If they get down in the low post? We give headaches. We dont get them.
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    September 5th, 2021 at 10:26:08 AM permalink
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    I don't think it would be impermissible if you record a 𝔹𝕣𝕠𝕟𝕩 ℂ𝕙𝕖𝕖𝕣 with your phone
    and then uploaded it to YouTube
    and then quoted the razzee and embedded it in your post________________nothing against it in the rules___________(-:\


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    Funny, I was just trying to look up the late Johnny Most in one of his highlights how some Celtic player razzled and dazzled his way to a layup.
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    I personally feel there is way too much dazzling going on.
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    September 5th, 2021 at 10:54:46 AM permalink
    Yet others believe it is being called way too tight. Eventually, the majority will come to the surface and rule.

    Call it, dont call it, but damn it. Be consistent. THAT's what every coach wants, expects, and deserves.
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    September 5th, 2021 at 11:14:23 AM permalink
    Quote: moses

    Yet others believe it is being called way too tight. Eventually, the majority will come to the surface and rule.

    Call it, dont call it, but damn it. Be consistent. THAT's what every coach wants, expects, and deserves.

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    You're not going to have a pro league ref calling your streetball game at the corner playground.
    May the cards fall in your favor.
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    September 5th, 2021 at 11:36:43 AM permalink
    Maybe we can go back to having a jumpball after every basket.
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    September 5th, 2021 at 11:40:07 AM permalink
    You might be surprised that many started that way. One of the most difficult games I remember was a church league rec game in a tiny gym also used as a multi purpose room.

    My partner didnt show which shouldve been an indicator. The men joined hands around the jump ball circle and prayed. I thought "this wont be that bad. I can do it alone."

    Holy Jesus. From the time I tossed the jump until the final buzzer. It was the most intense 40 minutes of my life. They'd take a guy on a routine layup right into the wall. Guys were bleeding, swearing, grabbing, gouging. You name it.

    Then, after the game,. they gathered in prayer and were hugging.

    It was the damndest thing I'd witnessed.
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    September 5th, 2021 at 11:52:49 AM permalink
    Quote: moses

    Yet others believe it is being called way too tight. Eventually, the majority will come to the surface and rule.

    Call it, dont call it, but damn it. Be consistent. THAT's what every coach wants, expects, and deserves.

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    We are trying. One thing I did not realize when I took this moderator job is that some members use the PM system to contact the moderators and argue that certain posts by their hated enemy should result in a suspension - or in nukeing! These PMs are protected by the confidentiality rule (so we can't discuss them here in the forum) and occasionally include egregious and profane insults against other forum members - because the rule prohibiting insults does not apply to PMs.

    We have 4 moderators. OD, Dieter and I each try to read almost all the new forum posts, and I really don't think we need angry PMs that are 100s of words in length to spot infractions. And we don't need help with setting the penalty for an infraction. And these PMs -which I refer to as "weaponizing the moderators" - require time on our part to respond to, they coarsen the deliberation process and make it more challenging to be consistent and objective.

    So, the PM system is this "unseen world" that plays a role in all this that is not completely constructive.
    So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
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    September 5th, 2021 at 12:06:11 PM permalink
    FWIW. I think you're all doing a good job. You've set the pace early which is a heckava lot easier/better than trying to establish it in the end.

    Funny story: I once ejected a coaches wife during a game. Now I didnt know it was his wife until we came out for the 2nd half. The police had to escort her out.😲 She was kicking and screaming. They were a large school playing in a small school tourney. So the fans were cheering her exit.

    He came in the locker room after the game. I thought "oh boy, here we go!" But he thanked me. 😄 Getting her hindparts out of the gym allowed his players to calm down and him focus on coaching. They came back and won after her dismissal.
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    September 5th, 2021 at 12:18:15 PM permalink
    Quote: gordonm888

    Quote: moses

    Yet others believe it is being called way too tight. Eventually, the majority will come to the surface and rule.

    Call it, dont call it, but damn it. Be consistent. THAT's what every coach wants, expects, and deserves.

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    We are trying. One thing I did not realize when I took this moderator job is that some members use the PM system to contact the moderators and argue that certain posts by their hated enemy should result in a suspension - or in nukeing! These PMs are protected by the confidentiality rule (so we can't discuss them here in the forum) and occasionally include egregious and profane insults against other forum members - because the rule prohibiting insults does not apply to PMs.

    We have 4 moderators. OD, Dieter and I each try to read almost all the new forum posts, and I really don't think we need angry PMs that are 100s of words in length to spot infractions. And we don't need help with setting the penalty for an infraction. And these PMs -which I refer to as "weaponizing the moderators" - require time on our part to respond to, they coarsen the deliberation process and make it more challenging to be consistent and objective.

    So, the PM system is this "unseen world" that plays a role in all this that is not completely constructive.
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    Why don't you simply stop opening them. I get PMs from some posters on a regular basis and just don't open them. Hopefully after five or six unopened letters, they get the point.
    I get the feeling Mike takes these private complaints much more seriously than you do. I think this place would be much better off if he stepped back from suspending people. It's a little ridiculous when he returns after being gone for days and suspends folks for things his moderation team didn't see as suspension worthy. He put together the moderation team of his choosing. Why not let them do the work he appointed them to do.
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    September 5th, 2021 at 12:47:31 PM permalink
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    Why don't you simply stop opening them. I get PMs from some posters on a regular basis and just don't open them. Hopefully after five or six unopened letters, they get the point.
    I get the feeling Mike takes these private complaints much more seriously than you do. I think this place would be much better off if he stepped back from suspending people. It's a little ridiculous when he returns after being gone for days and suspends folks for things his moderation team didn't see as suspension worthy. He put together the moderation team of his choosing. Why not let them do the work he appointed them to do.

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    Well, we do need to at least read them, on the chance that there is an issue that warrants attention.

    Some merit action; some do not.
    May the cards fall in your favor.

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