Discussion III about the Suspension List

Quote: EvenBob

There's a rumor that in the moderator back room you're all naked. I don't want to think about this.
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I heard you're naked under your clothes.
I try not to think about that.

Quote: billryan

Eye'd bee inn deep chit wiffout grammerly
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never heard it b4

Quote: gordonm888

In the thread titled "Roblox Online Gambling" we had the following situation occur:

1. A new member named jjhons posted about a somewhat interesting topic, namely new software making it easier to monetize video games online such that players can actually play and win or lose crypto or cash - potentially without the oversight of gambling regulatory entities.

2. jjhons interacted with members in a fairly normal way, but was challenged by members as to whether he was an AI bot or not. jjhons responded by admitting that he had used AI to improve parts of the text of his post because English is not his native language.

3. At that point, moderators initially nuked jjhons for posting an AI enhanced message, but we have temporarily unbanned him while we try to consider what our policy is. Technically, an app like Grammarly uses AI, so is the use of Grammarly for innocuous changes in grammar or in wording a violation of forum policy? None of us want messages generated by AI bots, but where do we draw the line? We're discussing this in the moderator backroom.
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Why not just evaluate based on the value of content. If the Ai is better than most of us posters, I say, let it post. And if it otherwise can stay within the rules.

Also, If we banned here just on not directly related to gambling, I'd have been banned a long time ago.

Quote: rxwine

Why not just evaluate based on the value of content. If the Ai is better than most of us posters, I say, let it post. And if it otherwise can stay within the rules.

Also, If we banned here just on not directly related to gambling, I'd have been banned a long time ago.
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Those are interesting points.
Fortunately, most machine generated posts do not seem to meet that threshold for quality, and often violate one or more of the other rules, like not meeting the minimum age requirement for forum membership.

How long until someone develops AI to identify AI-generated text?

Or AI routines to moderate the WOV forum?

we've had a lot of AI postings from 100% complete robots. Often they just seem to be some kind of unofficial Turing test, trying to see if everybody else thinks they're real. But I think I'm right that those posts mostly stand

the banned-now-unbanned-poster seems to have had a bad experience with his robot trying to help. Clearly many of us thought he was a spammer. In fact it still looks suspicious to me that he focused on one company when clearly there must be a *whole host* of bitcoin accepting types that could contribute to the delinquency of an idiot... or a minor, even, I guess , ha ha

I'd say your policy should be that an AI helped post should have no smell whatsoever of spam, more so than a regular posting, zero tolerance

I think I'd be more concerned with growing a dying forum than coming up with more excuses to ban people

Quote: billryan

I think I'd be more concerned with growing a dying forum than coming up with more excuses to ban people
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Increasing noise vs signal would surely help with that goal.

Quote: billryan

I think I'd be more concerned with growing a dying forum than coming up with more excuses to ban people
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Hmmmm.

Quote: billryan

Addition by subtraction.
Nuff Said!
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Quote: gordonm888

How long until someone develops AI to identify AI-generated text?

Or AI routines to moderate the WOV forum?
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I always just assumed that Dieter was AI. No human could eat what he eats and survive for long.

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Quote: gordonm888

How long until someone develops AI to identify AI-generated text?

Or AI routines to moderate the WOV forum?
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I always just assumed that Dieter was AI. No human could eat what he eats and survive for long.
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It darned near killed me a few times, but survival could be part of my programming.

Speaking of AI, we just added a rule about it to the forum rules. Please have a look. I welcome all questions.

So if a poster was conceived through artificial insemination does that make them artificial intelligence?

It would explain a few posters on here :)

Quote: Wizard

Speaking of AI, we just added a rule about it to the forum rules. Please have a look. I welcome all questions.
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Why is it #20 and not 21.

Quote: darkoz

So if a poster was conceived through artificial insemination does that make them artificial intelligence?

It would explain a few posters on here :)
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No? (Case by case basis, Potter Stewart, etc.)

Preemptively, I'll also say no(?) on immaculate conceptions and IVF.

Quote: Wizard

Speaking of AI, we just added a rule about it to the forum rules. Please have a look. I welcome all questions.
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Yes. I am quite astounded that on this site, one intended to discuss what is going on in Vegas and in the casinos, we will be addressing that question that has confounded the greatest minds in millennia of human history- what is a soul, and who if anyone has one? I have known many brilliant men of faith, and also many brilliant men who reject faith who discuss this vigorously and exhaustively, yet reach scant conclusions. One thing they may agree upon is it defies objective analysis, leaving only the subjective.

On the matter of sentience- that word is often used interchangeably with "self-awareness" or "consciousness." There are subtle lexical difference but being the phenomena the words refer to are not fully understood those differences could be non-existent, or they could be very profound differences to the point where it is possible to have one in full, while none of the others. It's believed there are humans who do not grasp "theory of mind," do not recognize that another person they are interacting with has a mind like theirs and thus comparable motivations, perceptions, desires and aversions.

It would be interesting and serendipitous if great progress in answering these questions- defining or describing the soul, as well as degrees and varieties of sentience, developing reliable Turing Tests, and a general understanding of human psychology in itself or perhaps also as part of a grand anthropic framework- came about from developing methods to combat online AI spammers on this very site! One element of it I'm noticing already is that people seem to care about whether what they are reading is coming from a person or a bot, while the bots do not appear to make that distinction. Perhaps a preference for and deference to humanity is a defining characteristic of humanity?

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Quote: Wizard

Speaking of AI, we just added a rule about it to the forum rules. Please have a look. I welcome all questions.
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Yes. I am quite astounded that on this site, one intended to discuss what is going on in Vegas and in the casinos, we will be addressing that question that has confounded the greatest minds in millennia of human history- what is a soul, and who if anyone has one? I have known many brilliant men of faith, and also many brilliant men who reject faith who discuss this vigorously and exhaustively, yet reach scant conclusions. One thing they may agree upon is it defies objective analysis, leaving only the subjective.

On the matter of sentience- that word is often used interchangeably with "self-awareness" or "consciousness." There are subtle lexical difference but being the phenomena the words refer to are not fully understood those differences could be non-existent, or they could be very profound differences to the point where it is possible to have one in full, while none of the others. It's believed there are humans who do not grasp "theory of mind," do not recognize that another person they are interacting with has a mind like theirs and thus comparable motivations, perceptions, desires and aversions.

It would be interesting and serendipitous if great progress in answering these questions- defining or describing the soul, as well as degrees and varieties of sentience, developing reliable Turing Tests, and a general understanding of human psychology in itself or perhaps also as part of a grand anthropic framework- came about from developing methods to combat online AI spammers on this very site! One element of it I'm noticing already is that people seem to care about whether what they are reading is coming from a person or a bot, while the bots do not appear to make that distinction. Perhaps a preference for and deference to humanity is a defining characteristic of humanity?
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This feels like it was written by AI.

Just my opinion.

Quote: darkoz

This feels like it was written by AI.

Just my opinion.
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Ah, I did that for humor and didactic purposes! The prolix style and word choices that result in social ostracism, as well as the way the paragraphs are blocked create that impression. But I did leave behind a giveaway of an organic mind... see how the paragraphs become slightly longer and more complex as I go. An AI LLM already knows what it is going to say before it starts writing, but as I write one paragraph it stimulates my mind and gives me more ideas I want to include in the next paragraph. So the next one gets longer and weirder.

Quote: darkoz

This feels like it was written by AI.

Just my opinion.
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I agree. I personally don't care for posts substantially enhanced by AI, but will stop short of banning it, as it's too hard to prove.

Abusing this thread, (‘cause it’s seen by more people)(might want other opinions)

Any chance a scroll button could be added that would take you to the bottom of a thread?

I am tired of scrolling.

All those extra seconds of my life add up when I could waste it doing something I like instead.

Quote: rxwine

Abusing this thread, (‘cause it’s seen by more people)(might want other opinions)

Any chance a scroll button could be added that would take you to the bottom of a thread?

I am tired of scrolling.

All those extra seconds of my life add up when I could waste it doing something I like instead.
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If you have a keyboard, try chording Control-Shift-End.

Best of luck!

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Abusing this thread, (‘cause it’s seen by more people)(might want other opinions)

Any chance a scroll button could be added that would take you to the bottom of a thread?

I am tired of scrolling.

All those extra seconds of my life add up when I could waste it doing something I like instead.
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If you have a keyboard, try chording Control-Shift-End.

Best of luck!
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How about an Ipad?

Quote: rxwine

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Abusing this thread, (‘cause it’s seen by more people)(might want other opinions)

Any chance a scroll button could be added that would take you to the bottom of a thread?

I am tired of scrolling.

All those extra seconds of my life add up when I could waste it doing something I like instead.
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If you have a keyboard, try chording Control-Shift-End.

Best of luck!
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How about an Ipad?
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If you don't have a keyboard, try getting a keyboard.

Best of luck!

Quote: rxwine

Abusing this thread, (‘cause it’s seen by more people)(might want other opinions)

Any chance a scroll button could be added that would take you to the bottom of a thread?

I am tired of scrolling.

All those extra seconds of my life add up when I could waste it doing something I like instead.
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#1) Push spacebar. Or,

#2) Add your very own "skip the old crap at the top to get to the new crap at the bottom" button to your browser (in Chrome):

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/scroll-to-the-bottom/ccodoapghablmcdbmpjgcbmjhafanebm?pli=1


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Quote: rxwine

How about an Ipad?
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No. Just no.

Wow! ChumpChange is suspended until February of the year 15,725? That's a pretty stiff penalty, I must say... 😉

Quote: Deucekies

Wow! ChumpChange is suspended until February of the year 15,725? That's a pretty stiff penalty, I must say... 😉


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That's about 12,000 years from now. Another ice age should be well underway by then. Makes a nuke look mild by comparison.

Quote: Deucekies

Wow! ChumpChange is suspended until February of the year 15,725? That's a pretty stiff penalty, I must say... 😉


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Thank you for pointing out this typo. The End date of the suspension has now been changed to 2/17/25 on the Suspension List.

One thing about WOV forum: Every member is a wise-ass and no typo shall go unpunished. Gotta love it.

Quote: gordonm888

Quote: Deucekies

Wow! ChumpChange is suspended until February of the year 15,725? That's a pretty stiff penalty, I must say... 😉


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Thank you for pointing out this typo. The End date of the suspension has now been changed to 2/17/25 on the Suspension List.

One thing about WOV forum: Every member is a wise-ass and no typo shall go unpunished. Gotta love it.
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How boring. The 12,000 year suspension was much more exciting. You know, wondering what we would all be doing 12,000 years from now.

Quote: EvenBob

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Quote: Deucekies

Wow! ChumpChange is suspended until February of the year 15,725? That's a pretty stiff penalty, I must say... 😉


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Thank you for pointing out this typo. The End date of the suspension has now been changed to 2/17/25 on the Suspension List.

One thing about WOV forum: Every member is a wise-ass and no typo shall go unpunished. Gotta love it.
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How boring. The 12,000 year suspension was much more exciting. You know, wondering what we would all be doing 12,000 years from now.
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With good behavior, we might have cut it to 10,800 years. No one can deny that the moderators are a bunch of sweethearts.

Quote: gordonm888

Quote: EvenBob

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Quote: Deucekies

Wow! ChumpChange is suspended until February of the year 15,725? That's a pretty stiff penalty, I must say... 😉


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Thank you for pointing out this typo. The End date of the suspension has now been changed to 2/17/25 on the Suspension List.

One thing about WOV forum: Every member is a wise-ass and no typo shall go unpunished. Gotta love it.
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How boring. The 12,000 year suspension was much more exciting. You know, wondering what we would all be doing 12,000 years from now.
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With good behavior, we might have cut it to 10,800 years. No one can deny that the moderators are a bunch of sweethearts.
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I don't think sweethearts means what you think it means.