Discussion III about the Suspension List

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November 17th, 2024 at 4:56:01 AM permalink

I am trying to figure this one out - how it was any kind of actionable insult.

Distant memory of something...distant! Wolf has flat out told us that he cannot remember accurately past events before.
I am saying that I believe it is a distant memory of something from long ago. Is this not true? How is that an insult.

Also, is it not true that Wolf has told us before that he cannot remember accurately certain past events?

For example, Wolf still claims that this claim is inaccurate, but can't even remember why he believes so!
1. SiegfriedRoy made a claim
2. Wolf said he does not believe it
3. I asked Wolf why, and he said he does not remember why

So, again, what is the problem here?

In any case, pushing dem buttons is a fate worse than death in mah opinion.

My opinion - I can say that.

As well all of this happened in my thread. How do I hijack my own thread, with my own opinion on something?

I think this was either an absurd precedent or Wizard didn�t understand what was being said.

I mean if this was actionable then Wolf�s coming in and saying he doesn�t believe me about my good memory:

Quote: AxelWolf
Quote: MDawg
I can tell what has been played in the decks what remains and what it means mathematically at any given moment.

I do not believe that. I would be willing to bet that you can't.
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is actionable as both an insult and hijacking.

This was an absurd precedent by Wizard that I believe was done simply to sooth Wolf. By request I even posted an apology to make Wolf feel better.

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November 17th, 2024 at 7:58:20 AM permalink

Several years ago, a number of WOV members, including myself, Axel, and Romes, met up with KewlJ or whatever his name was and tested his card-counting abilities in the middle of a pool hall.
Deeds, not words.

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November 17th, 2024 at 8:03:03 AM permalink

Are you sure you are thinking of KewlJ?

I can practically guarantee that you are mistaken all the way around.

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November 17th, 2024 at 8:08:21 AM permalink

Quote: MDawg
Are you sure you are thinking of KewlJ? He has sworn in the past that AxelWolf has never seen him.

I can practically guarantee that you are mistaken all the way around.
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I stand by my statement. There were about a dozen of us.

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November 17th, 2024 at 8:10:10 AM permalink

I do not believe there is any way KewlJ exposed himself to a dozen of you. I am sure you are thinking of someone else.

Any others of those "dozen" who were present wish to comment?

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November 17th, 2024 at 8:20:37 AM permalink

Quote: MDawg
I do not believe there is any way KewlJ exposed himself to a dozen of you. I am sure you are thinking of someone else.

Anyone others of those "dozen" who were present wish to comment?
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Most of the people there quit the forum over Dark Oz�Maxpen was there, as was most of the same crew from Axels' wedding. I'm drawing a blank on their forum names as we used our slave names when we were together. I don't recall Mr. Wizard being there, but he might have been.. It was originally supposed to be a dinner at a Thai place but they couldn't accommodate the large party so we ended up playing pool and ordering takeout.

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November 17th, 2024 at 8:21:49 AM permalink

Well, now that you mention MaxPen - if he was there, then it is 100% that it was not KewlJ.

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November 17th, 2024 at 8:24:26 AM permalink

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Most of the people there quit the forum over Dark Oz
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That sounds like a more useful tangent to discuss, than your mis-remembering the name of whoever that was who showed up.

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November 17th, 2024 at 8:30:30 AM permalink

Quote: MDawg
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Quote: MDawg
Most of the people there quit the forum over Dark Oz
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That sounds like a more useful tangent to discuss, than your mis-remembering whoever that was who showed up.
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I could name most of the people there, but without their forum manes, it wouldn't mean anything to you.. If I told you the blackjack dealer from South Point was there, would that mean anything to you?
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November 17th, 2024 at 8:33:30 AM permalink

Anyway, if some of the others present pipe in, I believe you will realize that you are mis-remembering the name (identity) of whoever that was.

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November 17th, 2024 at 8:40:42 AM permalink

Quote: MDawg
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Most of the people there quit the forum over Dark Oz
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That sounds like a more useful tangent to discuss, than your mis-remembering whoever that was who showed up.
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Okay, it looks like I was mistaken. The person we tested was a member going by ZenKing at the time�same difference. Few people believed his claims, and he showed up to back them up.
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November 17th, 2024 at 8:42:12 AM permalink

Ah, ZenKing, all right.

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November 17th, 2024 at 8:44:02 AM permalink

Quote: billryan
Several years ago, a number of WOV members, including myself, Axel, and Romes, met up with KewlJ or whatever his name was and tested his card-counting abilities in the middle of a pool hall.
Deeds, not words.
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You are mistaking that was not JK that was ZenKing.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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November 17th, 2024 at 8:47:00 AM permalink

Quote: AxelWolf
Quote: billryan
Several years ago, a number of WOV members, including myself, Axel, and Romes, met up with KewlJ or whatever his name was and tested his card-counting abilities in the middle of a pool hall.
Deeds, not words.
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You are mistaking that was not JK that was ZenKing.
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You are correct, but I'm surprised you never met KJ

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November 17th, 2024 at 9:00:23 AM permalink

No one has.

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November 17th, 2024 at 9:10:22 AM permalink

Quote: MDawg
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Most of the people there quit the forum over Dark Oz
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That sounds like a more useful tangent to discuss, than your mis-remembering the name of whoever that was who showed up.
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I was discussing some of my AP adventures and members were upset I was "discussing TMI".

They knew I was discussing serious methods for AP.

They also thought this was primarily an AP forum but really it's a general gambling forum with advantage players a (now shrunk) community.

Instead they chose to migrate to that vile place where cursing at each other over political beliefs is the norm.

I guess they figured they were displaying their right to free speech by avoiding a site that allows free speech about AP secrets

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November 17th, 2024 at 9:14:41 AM permalink

So you showed up in a mask, to discuss AP Adventures? Or are you referring to when you did so solely online?

Did you also play pool like ZenKing?

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November 17th, 2024 at 9:34:23 AM permalink

Quote: billryan
Quote: MDawg
I do not believe there is any way KewlJ exposed himself to a dozen of you. I am sure you are thinking of someone else.

Anyone others of those "dozen" who were present wish to comment?
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Most of the people there quit the forum over Dark Oz�Maxpen was there, as was most of the same crew from Axels' wedding. I'm drawing a blank on their forum names as we used our slave names when we were together. I don't recall Mr. Wizard being there, but he might have been.. It was originally supposed to be a dinner at a Thai place but they couldn't accommodate the large party so we ended up playing pool and ordering takeout.
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Yes, I guess it was some kind of protest. Most of the people on our crew and other APs quit posting on the Forum because they didn't want to support and participate on a forum that was allowing too much sensitive Advantage Play information(People were upset with DarkOz for doing that)

There was some peer pressure for me to do the same, but I refused, as I don't go along with the herd mentality.

I had been posting on here prior to all those guys becoming members, and I was an Advantage Player long before any of them. While I didn't have to argue my point, I did explain there were numerous times when someone had posted something either asking a question or exposing sensitive information. Oftentimes they were new to Advantage Play and didn't understand the possible repercussions of their post. A few occasions there were seasoned Advantage Players who just didn't realize how good a play was or the fact that it might lead to other discussions exposing something more valuable.

I was able to send them a private message explaining why that their post was probably not a good idea and why. I was able to answer their question or direct them to someone who could. Most of the time they had come to the realization of what I was saying it was in their best interest and the best interest of other Advantage Players. Most of the time people would delete their post or ask that it be removed so it wouldn't further the discussion exposing more information. I've had multiple people tell me they didn't realize it at the time, but they have since come to realize that loose lips sink ships.

I guess in this case it was a good thing having a wolf watch the hen house.

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November 17th, 2024 at 9:47:42 AM permalink

Quote: billryan
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Quote: billryan
Several years ago, a number of WOV members, including myself, Axel, and Romes, met up with KewlJ or whatever his name was and tested his card-counting abilities in the middle of a pool hall.
Deeds, not words.
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You are mistaking that was not JK that was ZenKing.
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You are correct, but I'm surprised you never met KJ
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As far as I know no one from the forums or Advantage Play community has actually met KJ. I know quite a few Advantage players and people in the gambling community. I know people who know people, but no one that I know of has ever admitted to having had any communication with him outside the forums.

There was one incident where someone believed they may have ran into him at a blackjack table. However, that has since been disputed given the small amounts being bet.

I'm fairly confident I ran into his husband a few times given the description he gave, the locations he played, and the games being played. I didn't even realize it at the time, it was only after all that information that I put two and two together. I'm still not 100% certain, it could be very coincidental.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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November 17th, 2024 at 11:48:03 AM permalink

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There was one incident where someone believed they may have ran into him at a blackjack table. However, that has since been disputed given the small amounts being bet.
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Since AxelWolf has opened the door, I think in fairness to both parties, the complete story should be disclosed.

The observer claims absolutely that it was KewlJ. KewlJ claims that it was not. So the discrepancy has to do with a he said, she said type situation where neither party has backed down.

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November 17th, 2024 at 11:54:21 AM permalink

Quote: MDawg
Quote: AxelWolf
There was one incident where someone believed they may have ran into him at a blackjack table. However, that has since been disputed given the small amounts being bet.
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Since AxelWolf has opened the door, I think in fairness to both parties, the complete story should be disclosed.

The observer claims absolutely that it was KewlJ. KewlJ claims that it was not. So the discrepancy has to do with a he said, she said type situation where neither party has backed down.
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It's probably unfair for us to be talking about him since he can't respond. For the record, I didn't open up this door. Either way, we should stop talking about him.

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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November 17th, 2024 at 12:07:14 PM permalink

Whatever became of ZG? Last I heard, he lived in a fleabag monthly on Boulder Highway.

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November 17th, 2024 at 12:47:13 PM permalink

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Whatever became of ZG? Last I heard, he lived in a fleabag monthly on Boulder Highway.
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ZenKing is still a conspiracy theorist crazy ass son of a bitch. ZenKing is His own worst enemy. Whatever the case, I like Zen King regardless of his craziness. He comes to most of the events that we host or when people come into town definitely fun entertaining guy to hang around with.

I do believe that he has managed to save somewhere in the $200,000 range all while paying his bills for the many years that he's been here. He lives in a nice high-rise Tower close to the strip and he has decorated his place pretty nicely.

But here's the kicker, Mr DieHard hardcore blackjack player who called out all the blackjack players who turned to playing slots, button-pushing frauds and claimed they were people who couldn't make it in blackjack. And yet he has accumulated half of that amount in a tiny fraction of the amount of time it took him in blackjack.
He has seen the light and has since become a "button-pushing fraud" of course he defends that action by saying he's the GOAT and found shit nobody else did or some nonsense like that. Not true, I pegged exactly what I thought he was doing because it's the only thing that made sense and I thought of it long before he even considered slots, I even told a few others it was a good idea.

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November 17th, 2024 at 1:14:28 PM permalink

He seemed like a nice enough guy, though he had some growing up to do. I'm glad to hear he is doing well. I don't miss that life at all. I'm glad I did it, but I'd rather do online auctions than put in hours in the casino..

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November 17th, 2024 at 1:21:21 PM permalink

Quote: MDawg
Quote: AxelWolf
There was one incident where someone believed they may have ran into him at a blackjack table. However, that has since been disputed given the small amounts being bet.
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Since AxelWolf has opened the door, I think in fairness to both parties, the complete story should be disclosed.

The observer claims absolutely that it was KewlJ. KewlJ claims that it was not. So the discrepancy has to do with a he said, she said type situation where neither party has backed down.
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Bill has admitted he was thinking of Zenking and not KewlJ. Not sure what you mean by him not backing down when Bill has already done that.

It's a natural mistake IMO. ZK, KJ, etc.

As for playing pool like Zenking I don't get the reference. I have played pool sparingly. So what?

As for the Exodus from the forum that was of course online. Any meetups were always attended by AP's. There was a big stink when some casino security guy tried to attend. There was no need for AP's to feel like leaving the forum for AP to AP only banter.

But IMO it's worse to give your AP secrets to other AP's than casino employees. To casino employees it's just a job and they don't go all Rubik's cube (trying to solve until blue in the face) to figure out the entire method

AP's will start flying cross country if they even get a sniff of a possible angle.

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November 17th, 2024 at 1:34:05 PM permalink

Unless these former members have passed away, I see no reason why people are discussing them.

At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.

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November 17th, 2024 at 2:19:07 PM permalink

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No one has.
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I met kewl j years ago in Atlantic City he was working with a well known hole card team at the time. I saw him several times after that playing on his own at various locations in Vegas.

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November 17th, 2024 at 2:43:52 PM permalink

A certain poster has pmd me asking for more specific details about my meeting kewlj i am not going to give out more details about it because it will just be used for more nasty attacks on the other site. I certainly wouldn�t give you his physical description.

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November 17th, 2024 at 6:15:52 PM permalink

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I don't miss that life at all. I'm glad I did it, but I'd rather do online auctions than put in hours in the casino..
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I actually like being in the casino.
Book a couple free nights stay.
Do laps around the casino in the morning, eat free lunch (comps). sleep because of lunch.
wake up. Do more laps and usually get 10k steps.
Do other stuff at night because too many APs camping and i dont like doing camping. I find camping mind boggling boring/tedious.
sleep
rinse/repeat

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November 17th, 2024 at 6:16:46 PM permalink

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A certain poster has pmd me asking for more specific details about my meeting kewlj i am not going to give out more details about it because it will just be used for more nasty attacks on the other site. I certainly wouldn�t give you his physical description.
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Gee, I wonder who that person was.

Certainly not me. What odds can I get that I can guess correctly?

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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November 17th, 2024 at 6:34:31 PM permalink

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He seemed like a nice enough guy, though he had some growing up to do. I'm glad to hear he is doing well. I don't miss that life at all. I'm glad I did it, but I'd rather do online auctions than put in hours in the casino..
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I have so much stuff I want to sell. Tools, watches, casino chips, household items, and some things are still in the box never opened like a nice juicer, coffee tables TV stands. A brand new never used Hard Rock Cafe Fender electric guitar. A commercial-grade barbecue, TVs, computers, furniture, bikes, brand new helmets both bike and motorcycle, Security systems my wife has a crap ton of collectible Barbies. 150-gallon aquarium with a nice cupboard stand and everything you can imagine to start either a fish aquarium, amphibian, or reptile setup. I have 4
metal black 5 Drawer lateral file cabinets around 42" Wide, and 4 -5 feet tall.

I posted about 6 different things on OfferUp and a few things on Craigslist but I have only sold one thing so far. What's the best way to go about selling that type of stuff?

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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November 17th, 2024 at 7:14:47 PM permalink

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Quote: billryan
He seemed like a nice enough guy, though he had some growing up to do. I'm glad to hear he is doing well. I don't miss that life at all. I'm glad I did it, but I'd rather do online auctions than put in hours in the casino..
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I have so much stuff I want to sell. Tools, watches, casino chips, household items, and some things are still in the box never opened like a nice juicer, coffee tables TV stands. A brand new never used Hard Rock Cafe Fender electric guitar. A commercial-grade barbecue, TVs, computers, furniture, bikes, brand new helmets both bike and motorcycle, Security systems my wife has a crap ton of collectible Barbies. 150-gallon aquarium with a nice cupboard stand and everything you can imagine to start either a fish aquarium, amphibian, or reptile setup. I have 4
metal black 5 Drawer lateral file cabinets around 42" Wide, and 4 -5 feet tall.

I posted about 6 different things on OfferUp and a few things on Craigslist but I have only sold one thing so far. What's the best way to go about selling that type of stuff?
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Ebay. I sell my unwanted casino giveaway stuff there. Hold it for a few months after you get it though, because lots of people who got the same promo are doing the same thing and the market is saturated immediately after.

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November 17th, 2024 at 8:34:40 PM permalink

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Quote: billryan
He seemed like a nice enough guy, though he had some growing up to do. I'm glad to hear he is doing well. I don't miss that life at all. I'm glad I did it, but I'd rather do online auctions than put in hours in the casino..
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I have so much stuff I want to sell. Tools, watches, casino chips, household items, and some things are still in the box never opened like a nice juicer, coffee tables TV stands. A brand new never used Hard Rock Cafe Fender electric guitar. A commercial-grade barbecue, TVs, computers, furniture, bikes, brand new helmets both bike and motorcycle, Security systems my wife has a crap ton of collectible Barbies. 150-gallon aquarium with a nice cupboard stand and everything you can imagine to start either a fish aquarium, amphibian, or reptile setup. I have 4
metal black 5 Drawer lateral file cabinets around 42" Wide, and 4 -5 feet tall.

I posted about 6 different things on OfferUp and a few things on Craigslist but I have only sold one thing so far. What's the best way to go about selling that type of stuff?
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Facebook Marketplace. It's the only place to sell anything now of the type of stuff that you have. I have bought probably 15 items off of marketplace just this year and many of those I wanted already sold. It cost nothing to list something and you have a huge buyer base. Price it to sell and it will sell. Nobody sells on Craigslist anymore I didn't even know that was still around.

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November 18th, 2024 at 3:33:34 AM permalink

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Quote: billryan
I don't miss that life at all. I'm glad I did it, but I'd rather do online auctions than put in hours in the casino..
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I actually like being in the casino.
Book a couple free nights stay.
Do laps around the casino in the morning, eat free lunch (comps). sleep because of lunch.
wake up. Do more laps and usually get 10k steps.
Do other stuff at night because too many APs camping and i dont like doing camping. I find camping mind boggling boring/tedious.
sleep
rinse/repeat
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When I lived in NY, I spent about five weeks a year in Vegas, averaging about ten hours a day playing in casinos or bars with good VP.
When I moved to Henderson,I was in casinos five, sometimes six, days a week. I had most of my meals comped, but the whole thing started to bore me.
There are three Indian casinos within a ten-minute drive of me, and I have not been to a casino in two years, except for going to a concert.

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November 18th, 2024 at 7:45:56 AM permalink

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Ebay. I sell my unwanted casino giveaway stuff there. Hold it for a few months after you get it though, because lots of people who got the same promo are doing the same thing and the market is saturated immediately after.
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i have a ton of free casino crap in my garage as well.
How much do you get for them?
How do estimate shipping costs to price the items?

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November 18th, 2024 at 1:51:04 PM permalink

Facebook Marketplace for commonplace items that have value.

Ebay for collectibles.

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November 18th, 2024 at 2:11:15 PM permalink

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Quote: AutomaticMonkey
Ebay. I sell my unwanted casino giveaway stuff there. Hold it for a few months after you get it though, because lots of people who got the same promo are doing the same thing and the market is saturated immediately after.
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i have a ton of free casino crap in my garage as well.
How much do you get for them?
How do estimate shipping costs to price the items?
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The problem with selling a hundred items on ebay is that you'll get about ten people who don't follow through. If you sell ninety items, you have to pack ninety items. Unless you use Priority Mail, this means multiple trips to the Post Office. If you ship Priority, the Post Office will pick up in most places. You need to provide boxes, packing material, tape, etc. You need a dedicated shipping and holding area if you sell dozens of items regularly. Then there are fees. It's not called Fee-Bay for nothing. I'm unfamiliar with their current fees, but I doubt they went down since I left.
Then, you will have unhappy buyers. Some will request partial refunds, others will abuse you for a tiny flaw, and packages will get lost or stolen.
I don't bring random buyers into my house, and meeting at neutral sites is a pain and potentially dangerous.
Years of buying and selling have allowed me to establish a network of trusted dealers I deal with. No one venture is the best to sell everything, in my opinion.
Being part of a multi-family yard sale can be fun and profitable. Casino stuff moved well when I had yard sales in Bisbee, but it wasn't your typical giveaway items.

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November 18th, 2024 at 2:27:34 PM permalink

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Ebay. I sell my unwanted casino giveaway stuff there. Hold it for a few months after you get it though, because lots of people who got the same promo are doing the same thing and the market is saturated immediately after.
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i have a ton of free casino crap in my garage as well.
How much do you get for them?
How do estimate shipping costs to price the items?
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I have recently adjusted strategy to waiting until very late in the collection period, unless I specifically want the item.
If they've run out of stock of the premium gift, some properties will issue free play in lieu. I find free play much easier to convert to cash.

My daughters just swiped adopted my entire supply of giveaway hoodies and jackets, so I guess I'll have to keep qualifying for more of those...

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November 19th, 2024 at 2:01:49 AM permalink

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A certain poster has pmd me asking for more specific details about my meeting kewlj i am not going to give out more details about it because it will just be used for more nasty attacks on the other site. I certainly wouldn�t give you his physical description.
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Wait- didn't he die tragically?

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November 19th, 2024 at 5:02:51 AM permalink

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A certain poster has pmd me asking for more specific details about my meeting kewlj i am not going to give out more details about it because it will just be used for more nasty attacks on the other site. I certainly wouldn�t give you his physical description.
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Wait- didn't he die tragically?
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He got better.

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November 19th, 2024 at 7:04:32 AM permalink

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Being part of a multi-family yard sale can be fun and profitable. Casino stuff moved well when I had yard sales in Bisbee, but it wasn't your typical giveaway items.
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Unfortunately, when my elderly parents did a yard sale, my siblings said they had several things stolen. But the yard sale, or garage sale was something I saw going back to childhood with my parents. I remember going to other ones, and a having a few of our own.

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November 19th, 2024 at 8:00:33 AM permalink

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Being part of a multi-family yard sale can be fun and profitable. Casino stuff moved well when I had yard sales in Bisbee, but it wasn't your typical giveaway items.
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Unfortunately, when my elderly parents did a yard sale, my siblings said they had several things stolen. But the yard sale, or garage sale was something I saw going back to childhood with my parents. I remember going to other ones, and a having a few of our own.
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That is a problem, but remember that the sale was to get rid of stuff you didn't want in the first place.
Is it better to convert trash to cash and have some stolen along the way or to keep a garage full of unwanted stuff to prevent someone from stealing what you don't want?
Sadly, theft is a way of life and is a part of doing business. A few years ago, I was at a conference with 25 of the leaders in our field. A company gave us a presentation and gave everyone a Sterling Silver Superman statue. Within thirty minutes, one of the people in the room stole two that were briefly unattended. Police were called, and the thief came forward voluntarily. He wasn't prosecuted, but he burned down thirty years of networking and closed many doors.
Thieves suck, but the fear of them can be worse.

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November 19th, 2024 at 11:08:08 AM permalink

A friend of mine recently had a yard sale and invited me to drop off anything I wanted to sell. Among a bunch of stuff I left with her were two pairs of skiis. When I returned later to get what didn't sell, which was most of it, I noticed the skiis missing, but nobody collected any money for them. It is speculated a customer just took them without paying.

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November 19th, 2024 at 12:47:44 PM permalink

And those are some awesome skis!

Wait...never mind:)

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November 19th, 2024 at 6:23:02 PM permalink

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A friend of mine recently had a yard sale and invited me to drop off anything I wanted to sell. Among a bunch of stuff I left with her were two pairs of skiis. When I returned later to get what didn't sell, which was most of it, I noticed the skiis missing, but nobody collected any money for them. It is speculated a customer just took them without paying.
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Shoplifting from garage sales is huge because if it's busy nobody notices when you walk off with stuff. Especially these days when shoplifting is practically a national epidemic. Grocery stores in certain places are closing their doors for good because shoplifting has completely taken all their profits. Especially meat, shoplifting meat is huge now because the price of beef is so high.

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November 19th, 2024 at 9:25:40 PM permalink

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Several years ago, a number of WOV members, including myself, Axel, and Romes, met up with KewlJ or whatever his name was and tested his card-counting abilities in the middle of a pool hall.
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You are mistaking that was not JK that was ZenKing.
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It was ZK, and he was off on his count ;-)... He was off by one, one time, but he did seem like he had the skills down to be a winning player.

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