Dark Oz Suspension

Quote: Mission146

No, what I mean is Wizard wasn’t skirting an insult. Suggesting someone not return is not a personal insult.

I didn't say Wizard personally insulted NY.

I asked if saying, "Are you <some insult here>?" worthy of a suspension or is it viewed as a personal insult. IE: "[To EvenBob] Are you a worthless troll?" (again, an example)

Quote: boymimbo

Once again, Mike built the forum to his standards and his rules, and somehow, it grew into an enterprise worth a bunch of money that he sold. The American dream, at work. The rules as they stand are fine: no personal insults, no trolling, no bad words, and no plagiarism. These rules are just common debate rules in order to maintain Mike's version of civility.

I don't see why anyone would have problems with these rules. People don't need to feel insulted; profanity is not necessary; you can source your opinions with facts or quotations. I think that if someone can't play by these rules they shouldn't be here. It's not like Mike is asking for money (in fact the site had some financial hardship due to his exclusive relationship with BoDog) or that the rules are ridiculous. Anyone with a semblance of control should be able to abide by these rules.

And there are members (or past members) who can't. Some are just a little rough around the edges. Some people feel that profanity is fine. Some people feel that people should be able to handle insults. But if you push the line to something where the rules are more liberal, then all the mods are doing is generating suspensions under a different line.

Then you will have a bunch of posters on here complaining about how rough the insult person A did on person B but person B didn't get banned for calling C a name. And another poster complaining that F used the F word four times in a post and got suspended but person S used the S word ten times in another post and didn't.

People here who are complaining are saying that suspensions are politically motivated, or are unfair, or that the rules are too strong. The request may be to move the line, but I would suggest that if the line is moved, the complaints will not be reduced. What will result is a different population of people leaving the forum because it's too rough.

In the end this is a gambling forum meant to discuss all things Las Vegas. There are political threads too which are allowed in "off topic" and the "off topic" section has been around since the forum's inception and frankly has driven a lot of traffic to the sight; you will see the most frequent posters are active in these threads, so I can see the business justification of keeping the threads around. Gambling boards shouldn't be ridden with profanity and insults. That's never what Mike would want.

In other words, it is what it is. Not going to change for the better or worse, whatever. That should be solace enough for the ones who try to figure it out, offer advice, contribute more, etc. Not so different from tons of other places.

Quote: RS

I didn't say Wizard personally insulted NY.

I asked if saying, "Are you <some insult here>?" worthy of a suspension or is it viewed as a personal insult. IE: "[To EvenBob] Are you a worthless troll?" (again, an example)

Shades of 1BB. 1st or 2nd round pick for me, if amnesty ever happens.

I see it like this...look at all the rules and you'll see that many are broken regularly. In addition, there have been several conversations of this before, all of which include the caveat "these are a general guidelines", as well as precedence aplenty where sometimes, in an attempt to gain control, action is taken at one's whim irrespective of the rules. If you are honestly trying to find the line, you know where it is. It's right thereabouts, same as it ever was.

But let me ask you and the forum, what would you do? Let's use RS because he just provided a good one.

Few posts back RS pokes EB, implying his absence due to mod issues was a good thing. Is this an insult? On its face, it's easy to see both ways. I guess only way to be sure is to review RS' post history, see if there's a pattern. So we read 30 posts or so to try and get a read; not really a good amount for a definitive picture, but about the amount one is afforded on any given day. You then gotta judge whether RS is just a guy that ribs with everyone good naturedly, or if he's a chronic troll poster. Apply any known personal beefs with that person or the sides on which they're aligned. Remember RS' specific post history. And then, if any of that compels you to act, and providing you correctly chose at every step, decide whether acting at all is in the best interest of 45 different wishes and desires of the forum at large.

How do I tell you were the line is?

I can recall a time when RS' comment about EB would have resulted in a ban. I can think of circumstances today where that, in certain context, could constitute a ban. But labeling lines for every contextual possibility is beyond the ability of numbers to express.

The best outcome comes from all making an effort to achieve the base tenets of this place; act like a gentlemen and treat others with respect. And I truly don't mean to say that in a lecturing manner; in fact, I'd now say a majority of my modding is automated. I've easily let 100+ of these quasi-insults go by hoping that the aggrieved would be above it and act properly, and 100+ times I have been pleased with the results with no interference on my part. Sometimes it works out. Sometimes it don't.

If you see a way to better define the line, or an obvious error that I'm blind to, I'm always open to critique.

Quote: gordonm888

The people who are comparing a forum to a business or a casino are wrong.

That's true. Nothing has aspects, everything is either completely right or completely wrong.

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In a business or a casino you offer a product and your customers do not particularly care about how many other customers you have.

I disagree on the grounds that, if I see two diners sitting right beside one another (in a town I'm not familiar with) and one has a packed parking lot and the other an empty parking lot, my assumption will be that the locals know better than I do and there is something wrong with the empty one.

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In a forum, you come to read posts and chat with other people -you seek peer interactions. As the forum authorities start to banish people, the quality and richness of the forum declines -and as it declines, some people elect to leave because its not worth their time and so it declines further. The forum becomes half-dead -and then, maybe, more people are banished and suddenly it reaches a tipping point and it is completely dead.

In a forum, you have a signal-to-noise ratio. What that means is, in a niche forum, you want to read about whatever the niche that you sought out is. A little general discussion, a little bit of politics, fine. Certainly nobody comes here who is not already a member to read petty squabbling. Nobody first signed up here to read a post like the one I am typing now, nor like the one I am responding to.

That's why you have to find a balance. There are disagreements and a discussion as to whether or not that balance is skewed right now. All of that is fine, healthy and perfectly expected.

In the meantime, you look at this site compared to other similar sites and we're doing quite well. Could we be doing better? Of course. You always have to understand that you can do better because, if you become so arrogant to think you there is no room for improvement, then you begin to atrophy.

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For that reason, the mathematics that governs the growth and decline of a forum is completely different than that of a business or casino.

For reasons stated above, yes and no. Traffic is important, but it's not the only important thing. The quality matters as much as it would with any other business.

Quote: RS

I didn't say Wizard personally insulted NY.

I asked if saying, "Are you <some insult here>?" worthy of a suspension or is it viewed as a personal insult. IE: "[To EvenBob] Are you a worthless troll?" (again, an example)

Case by case. Depends on what follows, "Are you..."

Quote: Mission146

That's true. Nothing has aspects, everything is either completely right or completely wrong.
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I disagree on the grounds that, if I see two diners sitting right beside one another (in a town I'm not familiar with) and one has a packed parking lot and the other an empty parking lot, my assumption will be that the locals know better than I do and there is something wrong with the empty one.
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Mission, you have gone from being reasonable to being lawyerly and surreally defensive. I raised an intellectual point about "tipping point dynamics" and how social forums (fora) can fail in different ways and at different rates than casinos - and my fundamental point is both true and interesting and not an attack on anyone or anything. And your response is to analyze every sentence in my post and try to mount a defense against every statement that I am making. This is not your best moment, imo.

1. Two days ago, I criticized Michael Shackleford's post that banned HNY. Why are you "going postal" -or "going PaigowDan" - on us over this? This thread has never been about you or your behavior. The criticisms have been directed at other people. Let those other people respond (or not respond) as they see fit. Shackleford doesn't need you to defend him -and I don't believe that the defenses that he would give are the same as what you are saying.

2. Please calm down a bit. Let people vent if they want to and try to use your listening skills. There is a real issue that people are trying to explain to you and the other moderators.

3. Understand that there is greatness and wisdom in most of the people on this forum. Try searching for that greatness and wisdom rather than going into auto-denial on everything that is said.

Quote: gordonm888

Mission, you have gone from being reasonable to being lawyerly and surreally defensive. I raised an intellectual point about "tipping point dynamics" and how social forums (fora) can fail in different ways and at different rates than casinos - and my fundamental point is both true and interesting and not an attack on anyone or anything. And your response is to analyze every sentence in my post and try to mount a defense against every statement that I am making. This is not your best moment, imo.

I raised a point about signal-to-noise ratio on a niche forum. I assume, and I could be wrong, that people sign up to a gambling forum thinking that gambling is going to be discussed. We have Rules on the Forum, and it really shouldn't be difficult for anyone to discuss gambling within the confines of those rules.

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1. Two days ago, I criticized Michael Shackleford's post that banned HNY. Why are you "going postal" -or "going PaigowDan" - on us over this? This thread has never been about you or your behavior. The criticisms have been directed at other people. Let those other people respond (or not respond) as they see fit. Shackleford doesn't need you to defend him -and I don't believe that the defenses that he would give are the same as what you are saying.

When there's an Administration action taken and there is a complaint about said action, I would think that you would want any Administrator to respond, not just the one to take the action. Do you now no longer want Administrators to discuss Administration? I even specifically said:

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Wizard may be along to answer for himself, if he chooses, so please don’t take this as me answering for him.

Back on page nine. We've been talking since, I think, Page 7, so I took this to be an ongoing conversation. You certainly keep responding to me.

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2. Please calm down a bit. Let people vent if they want to and try to use your listening skills. There is a real issue that people are trying to explain to you and the other moderators.

So, should we just read your posts and not respond to them in any way? I'm sure NOBODY would complain about that. I'm plenty calm.

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3. Understand that there is greatness and wisdom in most of the people on this forum. Try searching for that greatness and wisdom rather than going into auto-denial on everything that is said.

What have I denied? I challenged your apparent assertion that traffic is the only important thing on a message board.

Anyway, you're right. I'm done. I'm going to sit back and just use my listening skills to fully take in your wisdom and greatness. This conversation is a waste of my time, anyway. If you want to address any changes to the actual rules you might think would be a positive, feel free to create a thread to that end.

Fair warning, if you create such a thread, an Admin may attempt to respond to you. Don't worry too much, though, it won't be me.

Probably just semantics, but I think there should be a distinction between using the words “banned” and “suspension” when I talking about members who are no longer here. Banned to me is the same as nuked, no longer welcome back ever. Suspensions are just that, a time out of differing lengths but the member is welcome back when it’s over.

JMO.

Quote: gordonm888

Mission, you have gone from being reasonable to being lawyerly and surreally defensive. I raised an intellectual point about "tipping point dynamics" and how social forums (fora) can fail in different ways and at different rates than casinos - and my fundamental point is both true and interesting and not an attack on anyone or anything. And your response is to analyze every sentence in my post and try to mount a defense against every statement that I am making. This is not your best moment, imo.

1. Two days ago, I criticized Michael Shackleford's post that banned HNY. Why are you "going postal" -or "going PaigowDan" - on us over this? This thread has never been about you or your behavior. The criticisms have been directed at other people. Let those other people respond (or not respond) as they see fit. Shackleford doesn't need you to defend him -and I don't believe that the defenses that he would give are the same as what you are saying.

2. Please calm down a bit. Let people vent if they want to and try to use your listening skills. There is a real issue that people are trying to explain to you and the other moderators.

3. Understand that there is greatness and wisdom in most of the people on this forum. Try searching for that greatness and wisdom rather than going into auto-denial on everything that is said.

Pretty high on yourself huh? Your fundamental point was neither true or interesting. A forum is a business just like any other. It has a product and it has customers. If the product is good and/or scarce, more customers. If the product is bad and/or abundant, less customers. Dame exact model for any business, website, forum, church, softball league, etc, etc, etc.


ZCore13

Quote: Zcore13

Pretty high on yourself huh?

"Pretty high on yourself huh?" is equivalent to saying "you're full of yourself" which merited a 2-week suspension for HNY. A great illustration of how arbitrary the moderation of this forum is - as long as zcore13 makes it a question he is allowed to say to me exactly the same thing that HNY said to him and with equal malice.

Quote: Zcore13

Your fundamental point was neither true or interesting. A forum is a business just like any other. It has a product and it has customers. If the product is good and/or scarce, more customers. If the product is bad and/or abundant, less customers. Dame exact model for any business, website, forum, church, softball league, etc, etc, etc.

Yes, there are some similarities -I never said that there weren't. However, there are differences, as I claimed. In a forum the "product" is "peer interactions on a subject of common interest" and is indeed provided by the customers, not by the business. Peer interactions can't occur effectively in a climate of trolling and egregious verbal attacks - so moderation of some type is needed. But the quality and frequency of peer interactions depends upon the existence of other customers in a way that is fundamentally different than for the offerings of a casino or a restaurant. I can play slots at 5 a.m. in an empty casino, I can eat a fine breakfast in an empty diner. But a forum needs a critical mass of contributing members. For this reason, I claim that the moderation of a forum should be predicated upon different principles than those that are used for "casino security."

That was my point. This idea can be expressed as mathematical principles, but I can sense that this thread is not the right place for that. But I think this idea is important and true. As for whether it is "interesting" - that is subjective, obviously, and possibly may depend in some way on intellectual curiosity and the ability to understand abstract ideas.

Quote: gordonm888

"Pretty high on yourself huh?" is equivalent to saying "you're full of yourself" which merited a 2-week suspension for HNY. A great illustration of how arbitrary the moderation of this forum is - as long as zcore13 makes it a question he is allowed to say to me exactly the same thing that HNY said to him and with equal malice.



Yes, there are some similarities -I never said that there weren't. However, there are differences, as I claimed. In a forum the "product" is "peer interactions on a subject of common interest" and is indeed provided by the customers, not by the business. Peer interactions can't occur effectively in a climate of trolling and egregious verbal attacks - so moderation of some type is needed. But the quality and frequency of peer interactions depends upon the existence of other customers in a way that is fundamentally different than for the offerings of a casino or a restaurant. I can play slots at 5 a.m. in an empty casino, I can eat a fine breakfast in an empty diner. But a forum needs a critical mass of contributing members. For this reason, I claim that the moderation of a forum should be predicated upon different principles than those that are used for "casino security."

That was my point. This idea can be expressed as mathematical principles, but I can sense that this thread is not the right place for that. But I think this idea is important and true. As for whether it is "interesting" - that is subjective, obviously, and possibly may depend in some way on intellectual curiosity and the ability to understand abstract ideas.

Being full of oneself definitely has a negative feel to it. Being high on oneself, not so much. I'm pretty high on myself on some subjects. Most people are on things they feel they have a lot of knowledge. I'm never full of myself though and don't like people that are.


ZCore13

Quote: Mission146

Quote: RS

I didn't say Wizard personally insulted NY.

I asked if saying, "Are you <some insult here>?" worthy of a suspension or is it viewed as a personal insult. IE: "[To EvenBob] Are you a worthless troll?" (again, an example)

Case by case. Depends on what follows, "Are you..."

Are you stupid?

Quote: RS

Are you stupid?

Aside from a few areas of considerable strength, mostly stupid, yes.

Quote: Mission146

Aside from a few areas of considerable strength, mostly stupid, yes.

You're personally insulting yourself. Give yourself 3 days! 😁

GordonM888,

I wanted to apologize for my earlier response to you. Telling me to, "Calm down," was very rude, but I shouldn't have implied that I wouldn't speak to you regarding Administration again. I'm just done speaking to you on this particular matter in this thread.

I also felt that your post certainly warranted the sarcasm I tossed at you in the last section of my reply, but that extent of sarcasm may have been a little more than necessary to make my point.

This statement is from a WOV Forum post written today here:

"Believing this is totally nuts.

This total disconnect from reality and common sense, coming from an intelligent person, is just one reason your post suggests significant psychological problems."

Is that an insult? Will a moderator swoop down like an avenging angel and suspend this person? Will the moderator tell this person that after this suspension is over, he is welcome to not return at all?

Quote: gordonm888

This statement is from a WOV Forum post written today here:

"Believing this is totally nuts.

This total disconnect from reality and common sense, coming from an intelligent person, is just one reason your post suggests significant psychological problems."

Is that an insult? Will a moderator swoop down like an avenging angel and suspend this person? Will the moderator tell this person that after this suspension is over, he is welcome to not return at all?

How do you not understand that:

1. Not every post is seen by every moderator.
2. Not every moderator is the same.
3. A lot is based on the history of the person posting and/or how the person responds to initial contact..

It's just basic life. No different than when people drive and speed. All the above applies there too.


ZCore13

Quote: gordonm888

Second, this comment of yours seems to be intended to be hurtful (especially coming from someone of your stature) and has the tone of anger. This seems to be an example of the kind of thing that people are objecting to : the display of emotions by the moderators as they "discipline" the forum members, which creates a basis for people hypothesizing that the specifics of the suspension decision were influenced by whether the moderator likes or dislikes the forum member.

Third, on a thread where some have been lamenting the decline of participation in the forum and claiming that the moderation style is part of the problem, you jump in and tell a forum member "You are invited to not return at all." What are we supposed to think?

It really sounds as if you personally don't enjoy the forums and being a moderator here.

Where should I start? First, I am proud of this forum and enjoy participating in it. Do I like every single member? No. I don't enjoy members like 1BB whose purpose seemed only to be to sow division and second guess every suspension made. Like I have said at least 100 times, if you don't like it here, there are plenty of other forums out there.

Maybe the "invitation not to come back" was going a bit far but it was said with the sincere suggestion that Homelessnyc should learn to respect the forum rules or find another forum. When you're in someone else's house, or forum, you respect their rules and don't complain about them incessantly. I will take trolling me and the forum management only so far.

Finally, in showing some emotion in giving discipline, I make no apologies. There is something to be said for a little restrained honesty. Homelessnyc is on thin ice with me and I hope he will read my comment as a warning to cease with the incessant complaining about forum management and move on.

I took about a 2 year break from the forum. Mid-2015 to Mid-2017. Mission e-mailed me out of the blue and asked how I was doing.

I was really moved by the gesture, so I started visiting again.

I had forgotten why I stopped posting and visiting. Part of the reason is that I knew I wasn't going to Vegas for a while, and this forum is great for helping plan a trip.

But now I remember the other reason. I was sick of everyone fighting. And it was really hard to word posts the proper way to not get suspended.

I'm actually proud of the fact that I've been here (off and on) for 8 years and have never been suspended. But in the example that this Gordonm888 used regarding the Bulls thread - I saw that post and had no idea how to respond. What the OP said was not rational (I'm hoping that's not suspension worthy). How do you respond to a post like that? I guess the answer is to ignore it which I did. But it's tough to ignore something said if you're in the middle of a discussion.

What was the point of this post? I guess it's just that forums are tough for moderators and posters? I enjoy posting on here (sometimes). But if I had to guess, I won't be sticking around much longer than my Vegas trip this summer. (Until I come back in 2 years). I think people should just respect the Wizard and moderators more. If you don't like it, leave. You'll survive.

Some people cant let things go. There are as many as 3 other forums that have threads talking about what people say and do on this forum. They will probably talk about this comment and defend why they won't /can't let it go.

The Damned and the temporary Exiles need a pulpit to preach from.

None are the quiet type, none are prone to lurking: their straight-forward posting and aggressive need to make a point is what got them in trouble.

So it is only natural that they'll want to piss and moan, it's human nature.

Hurt never takes a holiday.

Quote: beachbumbabs

I've been busy with personal obligations and difficulties, so I'm following this up now, to include some of the later conversation.

Your initial complaint, above, was sadly lacking in some important respects.

You had just come off a previous suspension for trolling, which is sometimes a nuking offense, but you were given some leniency in receiving a 7 day offense instead.

Suspensions are martingaled, generally 3-7-14-28-nuke, though there are many reasons those are modified one direction or the other. You turned right around and offended again.

There was a general issue with hijacking in threads, and several people, not just you, were taken to task on it. You also were hijacking multiple threads at the time, and that was just one thread where you did it (twice). Note that this thread WAS about DARKOZ's suspension, not yours, but you hijacked it to your agenda for several pages, so I guess you learned very little. However, the thread itself is about a suspension, so I'll give you partial credit.

Your other activity at that time, and some months before and after, have included nonsense threads (several of which got deleted after your initial post), some additional trolling of members, and some passive aggressive disruption, resulting in complaints I considered valid enough to review your body of posts.

The total situation resulted in your two-week suspension. I stand by my decision from then.

Edited to add: it was my oversight in not logging this 2nd offense in the Suspension List. That has been corrected.

The first time I was suspended for the "Trolling," in the "Bad Casino Giveaways?" About the Macy's gift card promotion, I honestly thought that all the boxes had a $100 gift card inside of them if you spent $500 coin in.

I was saying something like "Why would you spend $500 coin in to get a GUARANTEED $100 gift card? Why not just buy a $100 gift card yourself?" Mission even said something like"A guaranteed $100 gift card with $500 coin in is actually a GOOD promotion. Are you sure it's not a DRAWING to get a $100 gift card? "

I insisted that it was a guaranteed $100 gift card and that having to spend $500 coin in was a bad promotion for the $100. Wizard Of Nothing called the Gulfstream Park Casino and asked about the $100 Macy's gift card and said something like,"The promotion was actually spend $500 coin in and win a guaranteed box with a candle. Only ONE candle box had a $100 Macy's gift card in it!" I knew Nathan was full of BS!" Turns out Mission's mention that it may be a DRAWING for the $100 gift card was more like it.

I didn't know that the promotion was a guaranteed candle box and only one box had gift card in it until WON said it. I meant to apologize and say something like,"I am so sorry. I honestly didn't know it was a guaranteed candle box and only one box had the gift card in it. I honestly thought all of the boxes had the gift card in it," but I accidentally fell asleep before I could post that.

When I woke up, I immediately thought, "Time to apologize and post about actually thinking each box had the gift card in it!" But I was already suspended for a week for "Trolling" I got a bad feeling as soon as I saw on the Forums page both "Bad Casino Giveaways," and "Discussion About The Suspension List," had both been last posted by Mission. I immediately thought "Oh crap!" And saw that my suspicions were confirmed. I had been suspended for a week! Yikes!

Nathan, in my opinion, the path you are on now only leads to one place.

I think you should stop before it is too late.

Quote: Dalex64

Nathan, in my opinion, the path you are on now only leads to one place.

I think you should stop before it is too late.

I was just getting it off my chest that about why I was suspended in the "Bad Casino Promotions," I really should have made sure I KNEW the rules of the Macy's gift card promotion before running off the mouth and putting it on here. It really wouldn't have taken much to ask the Player's Club myself if all of the gift boxes indeed had the Macy's gift card or if it was just one.

Come on bro. I mean, you go girl. You typed out the word Macy’s 11 times in one post, almost immediately after coming back from one of multiple suspensions related to flooding or hi-jacking.

It’s like lathering yourself with honey and stomping through a series of beehives, you are just asking for it. That is what Dalex is referring to, “Nathan”, as far as I can tell.

Quote: mcallister3200

Come on bro. I mean, you go girl. You typed out the word Macy’s 11 times in one post, In an off topic thread, almost immediately after coming back from one of multiple suspensions related to flooding or hi-jacking.

It’s like lathering yourself with honey and stomping through a series of beehives, you are just asking for it. That is what Dalex is referring to, “Nathan”, as far as I can tell.

Everyone has their "voice" and maybe nathan is just a repetitive voice. As noted many posters on here have been seen to be recognizable from their posts

Quote: mcallister3200

Come on bro. I mean, you go girl. You typed out the word Macy’s 11 times in one post, almost immediately after coming back from one of multiple suspensions related to flooding or hi-jacking.

It’s like lathering yourself with honey and stomping through a series of beehives, you are just asking for it. That is what Dalex is referring to, “Nathan”, as far as I can tell.

Oh yeah, good point on me writing the word Macy's too many times. In fact one of the complaints from the thread that got me suspended was something like,"Wow Nathan, you used the word "Obnoxious," like 8 times in one thread. Don't you think that just may be a bit overkill?"

To the edit post to change how many times I said Macy's. Thanks Mc. :)

Quote: Nathan

I was just getting it off my chest that about why I was suspended in the "Bad Casino Promotions," I really should have made sure I KNEW the rules of the Macy's gift card promotion before running off the mouth and putting it on here. It really wouldn't have taken much to ask the Player's Club myself if all of the gift boxes indeed had the Macy's gift card or if it was just one.

If you would like to discuss your most recent Suspension, feel free in the, "Discussion About the Suspension List," thread. If you continue to repeat your earlier statements made (nearly a year ago, I think) about the Macy's Gift Card Promotion Suspension, I'm going to give you two months for Flooding.

Asked and answered. Done, done and done. Any comments regarding that Suspension should have been made last calendar year.

Quote: mcallister3200

Come on bro. I mean, you go girl. You typed out the word Macy’s 11 times in one post, almost immediately after coming back from one of multiple suspensions related to flooding or hi-jacking.

It’s like lathering yourself with honey and stomping through a series of beehives, you are just asking for it. That is what Dalex is referring to, “Nathan”, as far as I can tell.

It is the equivalent of hanging a chicken from your ballsack and walking over a den of alligators.

Quote: Nathan

Oh yeah, good point on me writing the word Macy's too many times. In fact one of the complaints from the thread that got me suspended was something like,"Wow Nathan, you used the word "Obnoxious," like 8 times in one thread. Don't you think that just may be a bit overkill?"

To the edit post to change how many times I said Macy's. Thanks Mc. :)

I’ve noticed you often like to over-explain things in a thought by thought.. by thought ..drawn out diatribe. You give a back and forth monologue of what went through your mind to describe why you did whatever you did or posted what you posted. While this may seem normal as you’re typing it, it’s extremely unnecessary and borderline annoying. I would bet that everyone stopped caring about that Macy’s giveaway about 5 minutes after the last post in that thread, many months ago. Babs nor anyone else ever asked you to describe the thought process that led you to post the offending threads.

Quote: MaxPen

It is the equivalent of hanging a chicken from your ballsack and walking over a den of alligators.

Well Nathan is female so i dont think she is going to respond strongly to that one

Quote: MaxPen

It is the equivalent of hanging a chicken from your ballsack and walking over a den of alligators.

I never understood why alligators like chicken so much.

Quote: Boz

I never understood why alligators like chicken so much.

Because they taste just like people.

Quote: Hullabaloo

Because they taste just like people.

People taste like pork (it's been reported )

Alligator, otoh, tastes like chicken.

Rattlesnake tastes like tunafish.

And oysters taste like snot.

Quote: gordonm888

This statement is from a WOV Forum post written today here:

"Believing this is totally nuts.

This total disconnect from reality and common sense, coming from an intelligent person, is just one reason your post suggests significant psychological problems."

Is that an insult? Will a moderator swoop down like an avenging angel and suspend this person? Will the moderator tell this person that after this suspension is over, he is welcome to not return at all?

This was me and I did get suspended, so good for you.

For the record, I honestly think that this, along with other posts, suggests some combination of authentic mental illness and deeply flawed thinking, to put it a nice way. The billion dollar bookie industry, NBA players who make millions per year, NBA refs, the medical staffs of teams... all of these people have conspired to make sure a bet loses, jeopardizing their careers, their reputations and freedom. The total? The pointspread? The ML? No. The bet that I specifically made. Because the entire world revolves around me, in a negative way.

Someone who thinks like this will not listen if you tell them it is crazy and they are shooting themselves in the foot by thinking this way. But, if people consistently point these things out, perhaps a seed will be planted and one day, he might consider the idea that what other people have been saying is true and set about fixing the problem.

So, anyway, I got put on ice for a while. It was a judgment call made in good faith by people who provide me with free entertainment. It caused no harm. No problem.

Welcome back rigondeaux

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Quote: gordonm888

This statement is from a WOV Forum post written today here:

"Believing this is totally nuts.

This total disconnect from reality and common sense, coming from an intelligent person, is just one reason your post suggests significant psychological problems."

Is that an insult? Will a moderator swoop down like an avenging angel and suspend this person? Will the moderator tell this person that after this suspension is over, he is welcome to not return at all?

This was me and I did get suspended, so good for you.

For the record, I honestly think that this, along with other posts, suggests some combination of authentic mental illness and deeply flawed thinking, to put it a nice way. The billion dollar bookie industry, NBA players who make millions per year, NBA refs, the medical staffs of teams... all of these people have conspired to make sure a bet loses, jeopardizing their careers, their reputations and freedom. The total? The pointspread? The ML? No. The bet that I specifically made. Because the entire world revolves around me, in a negative way.

Someone who thinks like this will not listen if you tell them it is crazy and they are shooting themselves in the foot by thinking this way. But, if people consistently point these things out, perhaps a seed will be planted and one day, he might consider the idea that what other people have been saying is true and set about fixing the problem.

So, anyway, I got put on ice for a while. It was a judgment call made in good faith by people who provide me with free entertainment. It caused no harm. No problem.

OMG. Actually, I agreed with you, Rigondeaux, on your general assessment of the mental unhealthiness of the post you were commenting on and I would not have suspended you if I were a moderator. I thought I was demonstrating that stronger comments than those that Dark Oz was suspended for were indeed allowable. 100%, I never mean to throw you into the threshing machine of the moderators. I was protesting what I think are excessive suspension policies not trying to get more people suspended. I am so sorry.

No problem. I don't think anybody was acting maliciously.